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Better defenceman: Larsson or Trouba?

View Poll Results: Who's the better Dman?
Adam Larsson 83 39.15%
Jacob Trouba 129 60.85%
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05-19-2017, 12:19 PM
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Better defenceman: Larsson or Trouba?

Who's better?

Jacob Trouba, 2016-2017:

Games played: 60
Goals: 8
Assists: 25
Points: 33
TOI: 24:57
CA/60: 54.57
CF/60: 54.27
Cf%: 49.8%
Cf%Rel: .3%
P/60: 1.25

Adam Larsson 2016-2017
Games: 79
Goals: 4
Assists: 15
Points: 19
TOI: 20:07
CA/60: 55.85
CF/60: 55.8
CF%: 50%
Cf%Rel: -.4%
P/60: .73

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Larsson played top pairing on a playoff team, didn't he?

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05-19-2017, 12:22 PM
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Larsson played top pairing on a playoff team, didn't he?
He was the #4 Dman on the Oilers by TOI, so no

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I like Trouba's game a lot.

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This one could go either way IMO. I threw a homer vote Larsson way though.

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05-19-2017, 12:48 PM
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Trouba for me. One of best young D in the league and top 20 overall (if not higher)

Love Larsson but id probably have him around 35th-45th overall

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05-19-2017, 12:56 PM
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Goals allowed per 60 (5 on 5)

Larsson: 2.32
Trouba: 2.71

OBVIOUSLY, like with the stats in the OP, there are team effects for every stat. But, just another one to add to the puzzle.

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05-19-2017, 12:58 PM
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He was the #4 Dman on the Oilers by TOI, so no
He played against the top competition and his TOI is lower because he doesn't play the powerplay. Yes, Adam Larsson is on the top pair of a team that nearly made the conference finals.

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05-19-2017, 01:27 PM
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He was the #4 Dman on the Oilers by TOI, so no
He was the #1 Dman on the Oilers by TOI in the playoffs, so yes.

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He played against the top competition and his TOI is lower because he doesn't play the powerplay. Yes, Adam Larsson is on the top pair of a team that nearly made the conference finals.
Trouba had two mins per game more at 5 on 5 and a min more per game on PK. Trouba certainly played more mins, but Larsson was top pairing on EDM, too. WPG just leaned on their top pairing more.

Larsson did give up a lot less offense during his time played, with similar zone starts, but hard to know how much of that is team vs player.

I think Trouba is better, but they are very much on the same tier of good young d-men that have not separated themselves from the pack.

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He was the #4 Dman on the Oilers by TOI, so no
You're going based on ice time? Klefbom was first on the Oilers while Larsson was third.

So by your logic, Klefbom was on the top pairing while Larsson was on the second...even though they played together.

And Larsson was #2 on the Oilers in even strength ice time.

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05-19-2017, 01:38 PM
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Trouba had two mins per game more at 5 on 5 and a min more per game on PK. Trouba certainly played more mins, but Larsson was top pairing on EDM, too. WPG just leaned on their top pairing more.
Yup. Jets used Buff and Trouba way more than the Oilers used any of their dmen. Oilers had a good d balance.

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You're going based on ice time? Klefbom was first on the Oilers while Larsson was third.

So by your logic, Klefbom was on the top pairing while Larsson was on the second...even though they played together.
Ha, yeah exaclty.

Thats what happens when people base thier opnions on reading stats but not understanding them.

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Larsson played top pairing on a playoff team, didn't he?
Are you implying that because he was on a playoff team, he's better?

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Are you implying that because he was on a playoff team, he's better?
Its a dumb argument. But man after being on the other end of the argument for 6 years and wanting to bang my head on the wall its so nice to be on the other end. Its so easy and simple and I see why pople just say that instead of actual insight

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I went with Trouba. I liked his development last season and his overall game in general. It's close though.

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Ha, yeah exaclty.

Thats what happens when people base thier opnions on reading stats but not understanding them.
Not surprised considering he has 'Homer' in his name. Quite typical to check stat logs/sheets and proclaim Larsson playing #4 minutes despite obviously being on the top pairing with Klefbom

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There is some truth there. Oilers rolled 2 pairings pretty evenly. Although did play 2nd most minutes behind Klefbom and 2nd toughest minutes per QoC (at 5 on 5). Didnt play much to any PP tho

Trouba does it all

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Not surprised considering he has 'Homer' in his name. Quite typical to check stat logs/sheets and proclaim Larsson playing #4 minutes despite obviously being on the top pairing with Klefbom
He played 4th most minutes on the Oilers, 1:05 less than Kris Russel

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Trouba.

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Trouba is bordering on being a number one dman. Larsson is a number three. Pretty easy.

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He played 4th most minutes on the Oilers, 1:05 less than Kris Russel
It's not Larsson's fault that the Jets defense depth sucks. Klefbom and Sekera had more minutes because one is our #1, and both were our powerplay guys.

Russell had more because he was our #1 pk'er, and Larsson and him played the same side this year. Russell was on our #1 PK over Larsson because he blocks shots better than anyone else in the league.

Larsson played ALL of the tough even strength matchups, and was the backbone of our 2nd PK unit.

He also played over 3 minutes per game more during the playoffs, showing that he can play just as many minutes as Trouba, he just didn't have to because the Oilers had better depth on their blueline.

The biggest thing to take away from this entire thread though, is that we are 30ish people deep in the poll, and it is basically even, so you laughing when someone suggests that Larsson is better than Trouba is really the only laughable thing here.

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Trouba is bordering on being a number one dman. Larsson is a number three. Pretty easy.
Both are number 2's.

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He played 4th most minutes on the Oilers, 1:05 less than Kris Russel
Are you laughing at yourself for missing all the posts covering this already?

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Are you laughing at yourself for missing all the posts covering this already?
So because Larsson is awful offensively and his coach doesn't want him hurting the PP he gets extra credit from Oilers fans because he plays less minutes...

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