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Is F.Forsberg a top 5 LW?

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Yes 28 23.53%
No 39 32.77%
Top 5-10 52 43.70%
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05-18-2017, 10:09 PM
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Is F.Forsberg a top 5 LW?

Is he?

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05-18-2017, 10:22 PM
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I'd have Benn, Ovechkin, Marchand and Gaudreau ahead, then he's in the mix with Hall, Pacioretty and Panarin for 5th probably.


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05-18-2017, 10:40 PM
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Not even close. He's fighting for top 10 not top 5.

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05-18-2017, 10:56 PM
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Not even close. He's fighting for top 10 not top 5.
Once you name the guys in contention for spots 4 through 10, it becomes hard to imagine one could reasonably conclude that it's "not close". He's an outstanding player.

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05-18-2017, 11:00 PM
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yup, he would be my 4th or 5th.... so top 5

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05-19-2017, 07:28 AM
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Close, but not quite IMO.

Gaudreau
Benn
Panarin
Marchand
Ovechkin
Zetterberg
Pacioretty
Forsberg

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05-19-2017, 08:22 AM
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No, but fighting for a top 10 spot.

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05-19-2017, 08:25 AM
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Close, but not quite IMO.

Gaudreau
Benn
Panarin
Marchand
Ovechkin
Zetterberg
Pacioretty
Forsberg
I voted that he is but it depends.

I would say that Forsberg is well ahead of Zetterberg right now, we are not discussing projection or career.
Zetterberg

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05-19-2017, 09:15 AM
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Close, but not quite IMO.

Gaudreau
Benn
Panarin
Marchand
Ovechkin
Zetterberg
Pacioretty

Forsberg
No for bolded. Italics means debatable (Aka everyone except for Benn), and underline means going forward no. Also Hall is better than Panarin and Marchand in my opinion.

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05-19-2017, 10:13 AM
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Benn
Marchand
Ovechkin
Panarin
Gaudreau
Pacioretty

I think Forsberg is in the 7-10 area with guys like Hall and Ehlers but I don't think there's much argument for him in the top 5. Still a great player and he's been on fire lately.


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Benn
Marchand
Ovechkin
Panarin
Gaudreau

I think Forsberg is in the 6-10 area with Hall, Pacioretty, Zetterberg and Ehlers but I don't think there's much argument for him in the top 5.
What makes Panarin better than Forsberg? He is sheltered with extreme Ozone starts, has worse corsi, is far weaker defensively, and their 5 on 5 production is far more similar with Forsberg not needing a Kane on his line.

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Zetterberg hasn't played wing in.....a hell of a long time

Benn
Marchand
Panarin
Ovechkin
Gaudreau
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Forsberg


I say no, hes just outside the top 5

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05-19-2017, 10:35 AM
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I'd say yes. I think it could be argued he's ahead of any of Marchand/Panarin/Gaudreau/Hall. Maybe even Ovechkin the way things are trending.

And as a Habs fan, Forsberg is definitely better than Pacioretty.

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Close, but not quite IMO.

Gaudreau
Benn
Panarin
Marchand
Ovechkin
Zetterberg
Pacioretty
Forsberg
what...z is a center

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Talent wise I believe he is but need to show more consistency during an entire season, fantastic player, lots of skills combined with physical strength/size.

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What makes Panarin better than Forsberg? He is sheltered with extreme Ozone starts, has worse corsi, is far weaker defensively, and their 5 on 5 production is far more similar with Forsberg not needing a Kane on his line.
Zone starts have been proven time and time again to be almost completely irrelevant to production. Both get tons of O-Zone starts, lets not act like Forsberg with his career 66% O-Zone starts is out there struggling to get out of his own end every shift.

Panarin had a higher Corsi and Relative Corsi than Forsberg this season where I look. I'm not crazy into advanced stats, am I missing something there?

Defensive ability for a winger is not nearly as important as it is for a center. Is it nice to have? Sure, but there's a reason wingers don't win Selkes.

5 on 5 production is similar but PP points do count, ya know? I get it that Panarin plays with Kane but it's also no coincidence that Kane's 2 best seasons in his 10 year career have been playing with Panarin. It's also not really fair to say Panarin "needs a Kane on his line" considering we don't know what he would do playing without Kane, the same way we don't know how Forsberg would do playing with someone like Kane. Both are pure speculation.

All this just to basically say I want the guy on my top line who I know is going to put up around 75 points over a guy I know will give me 60 points but with better two-way play. It's much harder to find pure point producers than it is to find 60 point two-way wingers.

This isn't to say Forsberg is a bad player because I would absolutely love to have him.

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05-19-2017, 10:51 AM
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I take Forsberg over Gaudreau, and I'd say he's pretty close at overtaking Ovechkin as well but is maybe not quite there yet, but could be as soon as next season. Guys like Hall and Ehlers are not really close to Forsberg IMO, and I'm a huge Ehlers fan. Forsberg's impact is not just in the offensive zone but all over the ice and he can score in a multitude of ways. He's quickly becoming one of the most well-rounded players in the league. The only LW's I'd for sure take over Forsberg right now is Benn and Marchand. Forsberg, Ovechkin and Panarin would probably round out the top5, but there's a lot of guys right around there that could be in the conversation as well and you can't really say that Forsberg has seperated himself from those guys just yet. 2-3 years from now we'll have a better picture of who's the best.

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Forsberg was 16th in PPG out of the players that NHL.com has listed as Left Wingers that played more than 40 games. Well below all of the names being thrown around here (for the record Gaudreau, who gets a ton of crap for his season, outscored him with 10 less games played).

He hasn't really shown high level offense yet and while his underlying numbers are good, they're not much better than the players being mentioned and definitely not good enough to make up the difference in offensive output. He's having a great playoffs on this Cinderella run that Nashville is on (yes, last seed means Cinderella run) and I'm cheering for him 100%.

He's going to have to prove that he can carry this over consistently before we start calling him an elite LW. There's been many upon many of players that have great playoffs on these type of runs and then never really show it again. Lets see what happens.


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Forsberg was 16th in PPG out of the players that NHL.com has listed as Left Wingers that played more than 40 games. Well below all of the names being thrown around here (for the record Gaudreau outscored him with 10 less games played).

He hasn't really shown high level offense yet and while his underlying numbers are good, they're not much better than the players being mentioned and definitely not good enough to make up the difference in offensive output. He's having a great playoffs on this Cinderella run that Nashville is on (yes, last seed means Cinderella run) and I'm cheering for him 100%.

He's going to have to prove that he can carry this over consistently before we start calling him an elite LW. There's been many upon many of players that have great playoffs on these type of runs and then never really show it again. Lets see what happens.
Honestly I'd take Forsberg over Gaudreau. Behind Elias Lindholm, Forsberg is basically the best winger in the league at suppressing a hit from opposition and delivering it right back. (For your record power forwards deliver a lot of hit, but also take a lot of them, Forsberg and Lindholm can completely negate an upcoming hit and deliver it right back even if it isn't anywhere near as powerful as a power forward hit). Forsberg does not rely on the power play for offense, and is a wizard on the PK as well, so 16th overall out of LWers is perfectly fine. Forsberg is a great transition player, and strong defensively (Although truth be told I think some people are starting to overrate him in that department, like Forsberg didn't deserve 10th overall votes in Selke last season at all). Still his offense is very underrated and Benn is the only absolute LWer that is better than Forsberg, every other LW might be mostly better but during long stretches and it happens often Forsberg will be better than those LW, whereas at most Forsberg might be better than Benn for like 5-8 games, and Benn is better in the next 200 games. In terms of Gaudreau, Gaudreau can let's say have 40 games where he's better, than Forsberg has 20, Gaudreau has 30, Forsberg has 25, etc.

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what...z is a center
Yea that's what I thought, then saw he was listed at LW on tsn.ca . . .

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Benn
Ovechkin
Marchand
Gaudreau
Panarin/Hall/Forsberg/Pacioretty

Anywhere from 5-10 imo.

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Yea that's what I thought, then saw he was listed at LW on tsn.ca . . .
I wouldn't trust position listing on any website really. Zetterberg has pretty consistently been a center throughout his entire career and he's continually listed as a LW. There's lots of players that are listed as the wrong position on NHL.com.

Anyways, I said no to the thread. I think he could be argued to be top-10 but I'm not sure what he's done to be considered top-5.

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I take him over Johnny Hockey, Patches, Zetterberg right now.

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Benn Ovi, Marchand and Hall are better.

No way is Pacioretty better than Forsberg.

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Benn Ovi, Marchand and Hall are better.

No way is Pacioretty better than Forsberg.
Hall is not better. Forsberg is a better goalscorer, has a much better all-around game and is miles better defensively, all while scoring at a similar rate to Hall.

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