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03-27-2008, 01:41 PM
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Well, you should make your own dictionary then.

Elite, is something that stands out. Most of the times, in this league, when you mention elite players, it has to do with talent, and Kovy, lazy or not, is an Elite talent.

I don't mind your opinion, but to say that it's laughable to say he's elite is pretty lame.

You don't consider Jagr elite because he's having an off year? His talent remains elite, because you will rarely find players who are able to do what he does, same as kovy.

Elite means to be superior than the common. You don't think Kovy is superior than the common, when, even last year, the average player got between 20 and 30 points, whereas Kovalev got 47?
All that is still based on your opinion. I'd be curious to see what the board thinks overall. I'm too lazy to create another thread though.

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03-27-2008, 01:52 PM
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All that is still based on your opinion. I'd be curious to see what the board thinks overall. I'm too lazy to create another thread though.
But that also makes me right about his use of laughable, when describing Kovalev as elite.

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03-27-2008, 01:56 PM
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But that also makes me right about his use of laughable, when describing Kovalev as elite.
In your opinion it wasn't appropriate

Again, it's really difficult to argue this type of stuff because there are all sorts of factors that come into play when you evaluate a player. I don't even want to think about it too long because my head will hurt.

Anyway, like I said, Kovy is playing super right now and I'm thrilled to see him go to the next level in the playoffs like he normally does.

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03-27-2008, 02:01 PM
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Elite means to be superior than the common. You don't think Kovy is superior than the common, when, even last year, the average player got between 20 and 30 points, whereas Kovalev got 47?
Common or Average, last year using the stats up there...he was above average not elite. Jagr is different, the guy has won numerous awards...Jagr was an Elite Franchise player.

Like you said, a motivated Kovalev is very hard to stop...that Kovalev I really really like.

And its all my opinion, it isn't right nor wrong compared to anyone else's.


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03-27-2008, 03:26 PM
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.... Kovy probably didn't show Souray enough respect, etc.

How much respect does Kovy need to show Souray? Honestly. More then any other player?

I always hated it when someone stands up and gives everyone a speech when they have huge holes in their game. Fix your own play before you think you can fix mine.

If I was Kovy, and Souray was standing there giving me a speech... I would have a hard time swallowing that one.

I liked Souray, but I would not be taking orders from him. No way.

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03-27-2008, 03:48 PM
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How much respect does Kovy need to show Souray? Honestly. More then any other player?

I always hated it when someone stands up and gives everyone a speech when they have huge holes in their game. Fix your own play before you think you can fix mine.

If I was Kovy, and Souray was standing there giving me a speech... I would have a hard time swallowing that one.

I liked Souray, but I would not be taking orders from him. No way.
We're all human...we can all be motivated in certain ways. Kovy certainly wasn't motivated by those leadership tactics that much is for sure.

Sheldon had some good qualities and some bad ones too. In the end he's not a hab so I don't really care about him now.

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03-27-2008, 03:53 PM
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THIS is where we miss Souray the most: in the locker room.
what?! a guy that rejects a 4 year, 20 milion deal in mtl doesnt have the CH in his heart...

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03-27-2008, 03:55 PM
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2-Re-siging Komi might actually not be essential if Georges continues to improve next year and two of O'Byrne-Valentenko-McDonagh-Emelin show they can play in the NHL on a regular basis
Wow....


Komisarek is one of the team's future leaders and I have no doubt that he will get signed long-term. Why would the team let one of the most physically dominant while defensively safe D's go? That's utter ********. I'd re-sign Komi before any player in the team who isn't called Price or Kostitsyn.

Georges is getting good....but he's no Komisarek. We will keep Komi, that's a definite.

And Markov with the C? Hahahaha, right.


And at the end of the day, Sheldon was a great leader, but he hurt the team more than he helped it, last year at least. The -28 pretty much makes his PP goals void...

I also think Kovy is here for a while....he's the most liked player in the best town to play hockey in. While money may be an issue, I can't see Kovy asking such a ridiculous salary when his contract is up that we absolutely gotta part with him. It's his team now, I doubt he'll want to leave.

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03-27-2008, 04:09 PM
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Talented is what I call him, and when he applies his talent he is one force to be reckoned with. I don't call him Elite because of his prior lazy attitude, Elite players don't take years off, they apply themselves all the time. Remember I'm not discounting Kovalev as a Talented player, I just can't call him elite because he hasn't shown much interest in prior years to allevate himself to an Elite status (prior to this year).

Yes, Kovalev is elite. He's in the top 15 scorers in the NHL this season, the top power play scorer, He was one of the top two Hab scorers in both the 2004 and 2006 playoffs and THE top in 2006. NO other Hab was outstanding in 2006 and only Koivu was outstanding besides him in the 2004 playoffs. It keeps reminding me of how dismal Ribeiro was in both. I suppose you would call Ribeiro talented, but he was never an elite player with the Habs. So, if Kovalev was >> Ribeiro as a Hab, he should be considered an elite Hab.

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03-27-2008, 04:21 PM
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Yes, Kovalev is elite. He's in the top 15 scorers in the NHL this season, the top power play scorer, He was one of the top two Hab scorers in both the 2004 and 2006 playoffs and THE top in 2006. NO other Hab was outstanding in 2006 and only Koivu was outstanding besides him in the 2004 playoffs. It keeps reminding me of how dismal Ribeiro was in both. I suppose you would call Ribeiro talented, but he was never an elite player with the Habs. So, if Kovalev was >> Ribeiro as a Hab, he should be considered an elite Hab.
No question Kovy is an "elite" hab. I think the poster was referring to him in comparison to the rest of the "elite" players during the course of their careers.

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03-27-2008, 04:30 PM
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I always hated it when someone stands up and gives everyone a speech when they have huge holes in their game. Fix your own play before you think you can fix mine.
A good leader energizes his team, which in turn energizes himself.

Are you saying you wouldn't listen to a heart and soul fourth liner giving you a pep talk? If Steve Begin had something to say, I'd certainly be all ears.

Really this argument has nothing to do with Kovalev. Had Kovalev not worked on fixing his own play, he'd be the same 50 point player he was last season.

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Souray and Rivet became too expensive. They were already filling roles above their heads anyway. Both of them need mobile partners who can move the puck and we didn't have that partner for them, unless you put Markov on the ice 60 minutes a game.

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2-Re-siging Komi might actually not be essential if Georges continues to improve next year and two of O'Byrne-Valentenko-McDonagh-Emelin show they can play in the NHL on a regular basis
What????

I don't know what you are sniffing man but I would like an explanation about this.... By the way, I would bet that Maxwell will end up way better than Grabovsky, so you can put him right away on his center spot....

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