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Top 25 Montreal Canadiens of all time: #13 (READ THE OP!)

View Poll Results: Which of these hockey players has been the best while playing with the Habs?
Toe Blake 1 2.50%
Émile Bouchard 1 2.50%
Bill Durnan 2 5.00%
Bob Gainey 5 12.50%
Tom Johnson 0 0%
Aurel Joliat 1 2.50%
Saku Koivu 0 0%
Elmer Lach 0 0%
Newsy Lalonde 16 40.00%
Guy Lapointe 1 2.50%
Jacques Lemaire 3 7.50%
Joe Malone 0 0%
Dickie Moore 2 5.00%
Serge Savard 7 17.50%
Steve Shutt 1 2.50%
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Top 25 Montreal Canadiens of all time: #13 (READ THE OP!)

TOP-25 MONTREAL CANADIENS
1. Maurice ''Rocket'' Richard (67.31%) http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=483344
2. Jean ''Le gros Bill'' Béliveau (69.67%) http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=486045
3. Guy ''Le démon Blond'' Lafleur (47.75%) http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=487285
4. Doug "Dallying Doug" Harvey (34.23%) http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=488227
5. Howie ''The Stratford Streak'' Morenz (35.62%) http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=489069
6. Jacques ''Jake the Snake'' Plante (30.30%) http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=489677
(Tie-Breaker w/ Patrick Roy - http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...1#post13023581)
7. Larry ''Big Bird'' Robinson (32.22%) http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...1#post13039843
8. Ken ''Octopus'' Dryden (31.91%) http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=491824
(Tie-Breaker w/Henri Richard - http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...1#post13113793)
9. Henri ''Pocket Rocket'' Richard (52.81%) http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=493234
10. Bernard ''Boom-Boom'' Geoffrion (38.98%) http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=493983
11. Patrick ''Saint-Patrick'' Roy (42.37%) http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=494837
12. Yvan ''The Roadrunner'' Cournoyer (24.71%) http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=495586
(Tie-Breaker w/Newsy Lalonde - http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=496710)


Saku Koivu was added.

Out of this list, which of these hockey players has been the best while playing with the Montreal Canadiens?

Please, only take into consideration the time they played for the Montreal Canadiens. For example, while being great hockey players, Rod Langway and Tony Esposito are excluded from this list as they only played a handful of game with the Habs. Moreover, you should take note that players like Chris Chelios and Patrick Roy, while worthy of considerations, only played part of their career in Montreal. While their legacy outside Montreal is undeniable, you should focus your attention on what they have accomplished in the Canadiens sweater. At last, any skaters who've played for the Canadiens in the pre-NHL ERA (1909-1917) are included.

Only poster with a least a little knowledge about these players should give their vote. Anyone who don't have a clue about any of the players mentioned should enjoy the show, read and learn about these players, but not cast their vote.

In every poll, I will add a little text plus statistics on every players to refresh memories.

Every fans of every boards are welcome to give their opinions. Discussion and opinions are greatly encourage and are a must to make this list a success.

The poll will run for approximately 48 hours. If 5% or less separate the first position and 1 or more players, an extra poll will run for approximately 24 hours to separate them and the loser(s) will stay in the race for the next poll and not automatically be assign a position.

Please, after casting your vote, write down which player should be included in the subsequent polls.

Poll #12 Candidate To Be Added:
1. Saku Koivu (3)
2. Guy Carbonneau (2)
3. Claude Provost (2)
4. Sprague Cleghorn (1)
5. George Hainsworth (1)
6. Jacques Lapperiere (1)

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#6 HECTOR BLAKE

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Originally Posted by HHOF
Long before he became a coaching legend, left wing Hector "Toe" Blake was a talented scorer and NHL star. He totaled 235 career goals, including six 20-goal seasons and became known as "the Old Lamplighter" in honor of his skill for putting the puck in the net. During the 1940s he formed one of the league's most dangerous lines, the Punch Line, with Maurice Richard and Elmer Lach.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Toe Blake
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
569235292527272  
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
5725376223  
  • 14 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 6th All-Time among left winger in Goals
  • 4th All-Time among left winger in assists
  • 4th All-Time among left winger in points
  • 2 Stanley Cup (1944, 1946)
  • Art Ross Trophy (1939)
  • Hart Memorial Trophy (1939)
  • Lady Byng Memorial Trophy (1946)
  • First All-Star Team Centre (1939, 1940, 1945)
  • Second All-Star Team Centre (1938, 1946)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1966)

http://canadiens.nhl.com/team/app?pa...8&service=page
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/...=P196602#photo


#3 ÉMILE BOUCHARD

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Originally Posted by HHOF
The Montreal Canadiens relied heavily on defenseman Butch Bouchard for 15 seasons. His robust play contributed to the Habs' defense while his alert passing was an integral component of the team's exemplary transitional game. Bouchard was a tall and strong competitor who used his physical attributes to advantage although he was never known as a bully by his peers.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Émile Bouchard
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
78549144193863  
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
113112132121  
  • 15 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 4 Stanley Cup (1944, 1946, 1953, 1956)
  • Conn Smythe Trophy (1973)
  • First All-Star Team Defense (1945, 1946, 1947)
  • Second All-Star Team Defense (1944)
  • Team captain (1948-1956)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1966)

http://canadiens.nhl.com/team/app?pa...2&service=page
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#1 BILL DURNAN

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Originally Posted by HHOF
Bill Durnan entered the professional game late and didn't stay for long, but he packed an entire career's worth of awards and recognition into his seven National Hockey League seasons with the Montreal Canadiens. He won the Vezina Trophy as the league's top netminder an amazing six times, missing out on the award only once when Toronto's Turk Broda borrowed it in 1948.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Bill Durnan
Regular Season
Game PlayedWinsLostsTiesShutoutsGAASV% 
38320811262342.36  
Playoff
Game PlayedWinsLostsTiesShutoutsGAASV% 
452718 22.07  
  • 7 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 4th All-Time among goaltenders in wins
  • 4th All-Time among goaltenders in shutouts
  • 4th All-Time among goaltenders in Goals Against Average
  • 2 Stanley Cup (1944, 1946)
  • Vezina Trophy (1944, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1950)
  • First All-Star Team Goalie (1944, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1950)
  • Team Captain (1948)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1964)

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#23 BOB GAINEY

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Originally Posted by HHOF
Termed the world's best all-around player by Soviet national team coach Viktor Tikhonov, Bob Gainey brought many elements to the Montreal Canadiens during his 16-year NHL career. The burly left winger was a tenacious competitor, relentless checker, respected team leader and capable contributor on the offense. His presence on the Habs' roster helped the team win the Stanley Cup five times in the decade between 1976 and 1986.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Bob Gainey
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
1060239262501585  
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
182254873151  
  • 16 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 5th All-Time among left winger in Goals
  • 6th All-Time among left winger in Assists
  • 5th All-Time among left winger in Points
  • 5 Stanley Cup (1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1986)
  • Conn Smythe Trophy (1979)
  • Frank J. Selke Trophy (1978, 1979, 1980, 1981)
  • Team Captain (1981-1989)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1992)
  • Number Retired (2008)

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#10 TOM JOHNSON

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Originally Posted by HHOF
An accomplished skater and puckhandler, defenseman Tom Johnson played a valuable role on the powerful Montreal Canadiens teams of the 1950s. He contributed to the Habs' rapid transitional game and would have scored more points had the team not already been blessed with Doug Harvey to quarterback the power-play. One of his key traits was an ability to recover almost immediately after making a rare mistake on the ice.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Tom Johnson
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
85747183230897  
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
11181523109  
  • 15 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 10th All-Time among defenseman in Points
  • 6 Stanley Cup (1953, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960)
  • James Norris Memorial Trophy (1959)
  • First All-Star Team Defense (1959)
  • Second All-Star Team Defense (1956)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1970)

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#4 AUREL JOLIAT

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Originally Posted by HHOF
Aurel Joliat was a prolific scorer and relentless backchecker during 16 rewarding seasons with the Montreal Canadiens. He never allowed his comparatively small frame to impede his progress in the NHL. Joliat often teamed with his good friend Howie Morenz to form one of the most potent offensive duos in league history. His blazing forays down the port side made him one of hockey's most exciting left wingers of all time, and his combination of speed and small size made him one of the trickiest skaters to bodycheck.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Aurel Joliat
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
655270190460771  
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
469132266  
  • 16 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 9th All-Time among players in Goals
  • 8th All-Time among left wingers in Assists
  • 6th All-Time among left wingers in Points
  • 3 Stanley Cup (1924, 1930, 1931)
  • Hart Memorial Trophy (1934)
  • First All-Star Team Left Wing (1931)
  • Second All-Star Team Left Wing (1932, 1934, 1935)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1947)

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#11 SAKU KOIVU

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Saku Koivu is a compact player with a big heart and a lot of determination. In another lifetime he could have been blessed with a bigger frame, for his father, who coached him at the junior and senior levels, he's quite tall. This has never held him back, however. He has built up his strength to the point that nine times out of 10 he is the guy who comes out of the corner with the puck. His applies a technique used by the old Soviet players against their bigger opponents from the NHL, namely checking them before they have time to recover with the puck.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Saku Koivu
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
968428435863255  
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
147646312747  
  • 12 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 5th All-Time among centers in Assists
  • 7th All-Time among players in Points
  • 0 Stanley Cup
  • Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy (2002)
  • Team captain (1997-2008)

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#16 ELMER LACH

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One of the top playmaking centers ever to compete in the NHL, Elmer Lach spent his entire 14-year career with the Montreal Canadiens. He helped "les glorieux" win the Stanley Cup three times and gained much acclaim as the center on the club's dreaded Punch Line with Toe Blake and Maurice Richard. Lach also received accolades for his determination on the ice and his resilience in battling a host of serious injuries.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Elmer Lach
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
664215408623478  
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
7619456436  
  • 14 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 7th All-Time among center in Goals
  • 4th All-Time among center in Assists
  • 4th All-Time among center in Points
  • 3 Stanley Cup (1944, 1946, 1953)
  • Art Ross Trophy (1945, 1948)
  • Hart Memorial Trophy (1945)
  • First All-Star Team Centre (1945, 1948, 1952)
  • Second All-Star Team Centre (1944, 1946)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1966)

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#4 NEWSY LALONDE

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Originally Posted by Joe Pelletier
In the long and storied history of the Montreal Canadiens there has always been one dominant player who led the team for an era. Howie Morenz, Maurice Richard, Jean Beliveau, Guy Lafleur and Patrick Roy have passed the torch from one successful era to another.Although many will recognize Morenz as the first great Hab, the very first Montreal Canadiens legend was arguably Edouard "Newsy" Lalonde.The NHL has dominated history so much since it formed in 1917 so that many fans today are often surprised to learn that the Montreal Canadiens actually pre-date the NHL itself. Many of Lalonde's greatest years came prior to the NHL's christening. With much of his pre-NHL statistics and career ignored, the Canadian sporting landscape has long forgotten one of Canada's greatest athletes.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Newsy Lalonde
Pre-NHL
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
10414414*158329  
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
9812441165181  
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
71541931  
  • 12 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 1 Stanley Cup (1916)
  • Art Ross Trophy (1919, 1921)
  • Rocket Richard Memorial Trophy (1919*)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1950)

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#5 GUY LAPOINTE

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Originally Posted by HHOF
Lapointe quickly established himself as one of the game's all-time great defensemen. He was a solid checker and opposing goalies feared his slapshot, which was particularly effective on the Habs' lethal powerplay of the '70s.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Guy Lapointe
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
777166406572812+347 
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
112254368121  
  • 14 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 2nd All-Time among defenseman in Goals
  • 2nd All-Time among defenseman in Assists
  • 2nd All-Time among defenseman in Points
  • 6 Stanley Cup (1971, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979)
  • First All-Star Team Defense (1973)
  • Second All-Star Team Defense (1975, 1976, 1977)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1993)

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#25 JACQUES LEMAIRE

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Originally Posted by HHOF
Jacques Lemaire developed his hard slapshot as a youth by working with a heavy steel puck and his shot was rated second only to Bobby Hull for speed and accuracy. He used that powerful shot to beat Tony Esposito of Chicago, keying a Montreal comeback in game 7 of the 1971 finals en route to a Stanley Cup. His strong skating and excellent checking abilities also made him one of the game's best two-way players.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Jacques Lemaire
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
853366469835812+347 
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
141657813963  
  • 12 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 2nd All-Time among centers in Goals
  • 3rd All-Time among centers in Assists
  • 3rd All-Time among centers in Points
  • 9 Stanley Cup (1968, 1969, 1971, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1984)

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#7 JOE MALONE

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One of the most gifted and prolific goal scorers ever to play the game, Joe Malone became an enduring legend for decades after his retirement. While known for his unique upright skating style and revered for his excellent conduct on the ice, what set "Phantom" Joe Malone apart from the rest was an ability to find openings and weave his way through the defensive alignments of the opposition. Deceptively quick, Malone was the fastest player in the pros and possessed a lethal instinct around the net.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Joe Malone
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
585265835  
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
96286  
  • 4 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 1 Stanley Cup (1924)
  • Art Ross Trophy (1918, 1920)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1950)

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#12 DICKIE MOORE

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Dickie Moore was one of hockey's most productive and exciting forwards during the 1950s. The talented left winger scored at least 20 goals six times, played on six Stanley Cup championship teams and is remembered as part of a potent forward line with Maurice and Henri Richard. Moore was among the NHL's best shooters and puckhandlers and could also skate better than most - an aggressive player whose robust style of play earned him the nickname "Digging Dickie."
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Dickie Moore
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
654254340594575  
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
112385694101  
  • 12 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 3rd All-Time among left wingers in Goals
  • 3rd All-Time among left wingers in Assists
  • 3rd All-Time among left wingers in Points
  • 5 Stanley Cup (1953, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960)
  • Art Ross Trophy (1958, 1959)
  • First All-Star Team Right Wing (1958, 1959)
  • Second All-Star Team Right Wing (1961)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1974)
  • Number Retired (2005)

http://canadiens.nhl.com/history/retired/moore.htm
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#18 SERGE SAVARD

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Serge Savard was a key component of the Montreal Canadiens dynasty in the 1970s. A consummate professional, Savard sacrificed personal awards and statistics for the success of his team and his teammates. Such selflessness allowed the Guy Lafleurs, Steve Shutts and Larry Robinsons achieve great acclaim, although Savard too received much recognition for his fine play.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Serge Savard
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
917100312412537  
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
12319496884  
  • 15 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 3rd All-Time among defenseman in Goals
  • 4th All-Time among defenseman in Assists
  • 4th All-Time among defenseman in Points
  • 7 Stanley Cup (1968, 1969, 1973. 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979)
  • Conn Smythe Trophy (1969)
  • Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy (1979)
  • Second All-Star Team Defense (1979)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1986)
  • Number Retired (2006)

http://canadiens.nhl.com/history/retired/savard.htm
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# STEVE SHUTT

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Originally Posted by HHOF
n 1976-77, the fleet scorer was partnered with Jacques Lemaire and Guy Lafleur to form the top line in the NHL. Their offensive dominance helped Montreal post the greatest regular season in league history with an astonishing 60-8-12 record.
All-Time Montreal Canadiens Statistics

Steve Shutt
Regular Season
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
871408368400409  
Playoff
Game PlayedGoalsAssistsPointsPenalty Minutes+/- 
9650489861  
  • 13 seasons with the Montreal Canadiens
  • 1st All-Time among left winger in Goals
  • 2nd All-Time among left winger in Assists
  • 1st All-Time among left winger in Points
  • 4 Stanley Cup (1976, 1977, 1978, 1979)
  • First All-Star Team Left Wing (1977)
  • Second All-Star Team Left Wing (1978, 1980)
  • Inducted into the Hall of Fame (1993)

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Claude Lemieux
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Wow, I just can't believe Saku Koivu has been added. It's a complete joke.I love the guy, but there's NO WAY he should even been close to something like remotely considered as one the top-25 Habs players ever. Hell, I'm not sure he's even a top-500 players to ever play hockey ... I'll go completely crazy if he get in the top-25 and this project would of been a complete failure. Anyway ....

Newsy Lalonde, add Claude Provost

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Wow, I just can't believe Saku Koivu has been added. It's a complete joke.I love the guy, but there's NO WAY he should even been close to something like remotely considered as one the top-25 Habs players ever. Hell, I'm not sure he's even a top-500 players to ever play hockey ... I'll go completely crazy if he get in the top-25 and this project would of been a complete failure. Anyway ....

Newsy Lalonde, add Claude Provost
Well despite numerous injuries and a run with cancer, not to mention playing with some of the worst teams in Canadiens history yet still one of the top scoring Habs of all-time, he deserves some sort of recognition.

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Well despite numerous injuries and a run with cancer, not to mention playing with some of the worst teams in Canadiens history yet still one of the top scoring Habs of all-time, he deserves some sort of recognition.
Better players could have been added. Soon it's going to be Markov and Theodore

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Better players could have been added. Soon it's going to be Markov and Theodore
Well there's 14 other on that list that people can vote for, not to mention other players added after each vote. Is it so hard to believe Saku Koivu is in the Top 30?

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Well despite numerous injuries and a run with cancer, not to mention playing with some of the worst teams in Canadiens history yet still one of the top scoring Habs of all-time, he deserves some sort of recognition.
He effectively deserve a lot of consideration, just not in that list. A great person who battle through injury all his life and even cancer. However, when we talk about the best players to ever play for the Montreal Canadiens, he has a shot of a top-50 spot, but not even close of a top-25.

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Well there's 14 other on that list that people can vote for, not to mention other players added after each vote. Is it so hard to believe Saku Koivu is in the Top 30?
No. I'm even one of his defenders but I'm just saying he was added faster then I expected. I don't really mind it, but alot of people will start voting for him now like Roy without looking at the other players.

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No. I'm even one of his defenders but I'm just saying he was added faster then I expected. I don't really mind it, but alot of people will start voting for him now like Roy without looking at the other players.
I guess that's what happens when everyone on here gets to see Saku play, whereas no one has seen the likes of Newsy Lalonde or Aurel Joliat. They look at stats and quickly disregard them.

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Wow, I just can't believe Saku Koivu has been added. It's a complete joke.I love the guy, but there's NO WAY he should even been close to something like remotely considered as one the top-25 Habs players ever. Hell, I'm not sure he's even a top-500 players to ever play hockey ... I'll go completely crazy if he get in the top-25 and this project would of been a complete failure. Anyway ....
I disagree. And unless this project is your PERSONAL top 25 list, then I don't see how it can be considered a failure???? You ask for other peoples input, but then critize their input if they don't agree with you?????

Saku Koivu, after ever thing is said and done, has a good chance at being the longest serving captain in team history. If that alone doesn't qualify him to at least be CONSIDERED in the top 25 players in franchise history, I dunno what does.

There are alot of names that I'm sure will make the list before Saku, but I don't see how considering Saku Koivu's name in franchise greatest before Claude Provost or Guy Carbonneau is that insane!!! I honestly can't see how Guy Carbonneau can be considered a greater hab than Saku Koivu????

I think it's crazy that Patrick Roy is considered a top 20 hab of all time. I was a Roy fan, but honestly, on my personal list, he would not crack my top 20. Maybe not top 25. Time has given him more credit for the 1993 Stanley Cup that he deserves. He played well in those playoffs, and I would agree he was the best player, and deserved on the Conn Smythe, but there were ALOT of other clutch perfomers and performances that help ensure that Cup win that those of just Patrick's.


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Newsy Lalonde, add Claude Provost
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Now I'm just getting sad. I had Newsy up at like #9.

Not sure who I'll vote for next.. anyone feel like persuading me?

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I disagree. And unless this project is your PERSONAL top 25 list, then I don't see how it can be considered a failure???? You ask for other peoples input, but then critize their input if they don't agree with you?????

Saku Koivu, after ever thing is said and done, has a good chance at being the longest serving captain in team history. If that alone doesn't qualify him to at least be CONSIDERED in the top 25 players in franchise history, I dunno what does.

There are alot of names that I'm sure will make the list before Saku, but I don't see how considering Saku Koivu's name in franchise greatest before Claude Provost or Guy Carbonneau is that insane!!! I honestly can't see how Guy Carbonneau can be considered a greater hab than Saku Koivu????

I think it's crazy that Patrick Roy is considered a top 20 hab of all time. I was a Roy fan, but honestly, on my personal list, he would not crack my top 20. Maybe not top 25. Time has given him more credit for the 1993 Stanley Cup that he deserves. He played well in those playoffs, and I would agree he was the best player, and deserved on the Conn Smythe, but there were ALOT of other clutch perfomers and performances that help ensure that Cup win that those of just Patrick's.
The question is pretty simple, it goes: Which of these hockey players has been the best while playing with the Habs? Koivu is one of the longest serving Canadiens in hockey history? Ok ... Well you can consider him a good leader. But this fact doesn't make him a better hockey player. If the question was: Who are the most siginficant players in the Montreal Canadiens history?, well Saku Koivu would have NO DOUBT a place in the list.

This list should take in consideration their scoring abilities, playmaking skills, leadership value, their physical dominance, their speed, clutch scoring, back and front checking prowess and defensives abilities, all that while playing for the Montreal Canadiens. If you take all that into the equation, Koivu should nowhere to be found on the list.

That's the project, and the question is pretty much straightforward.

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I know Newsy will be the popular choice. But I went with Lemaire, one of the most underated Habs of all time.

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The question is pretty simple, it goes: Which of these hockey players has been the best while playing with the Habs? Koivu is one of the longest serving Canadiens in hockey history? Ok ... Well you can consider him a good leader. But this fact doesn't make him a better hockey player. If the question was: Who are the most siginficant players in the Montreal Canadiens history?, well Saku Koivu would have NO DOUBT a place in the list.

This list should take in consideration their scoring abilities, playmaking skills, leadership value, their physical dominance, their speed, clutch scoring, back and front checking prowess and defensives abilities, all that while playing for the Montreal Canadiens. If you take all that into the equation, Koivu should nowhere to be found on the list.

That's the project, and the question is pretty much straightforward.
I think we're overreaching here. When you go 20+ names down the list, it gets pretty sparing and guys like Koivu start popping up.

History certainly does inflate the sense of worth of one player, as Darz said with Roy. You'd think that there were only 6 or 7 players on the Habs in the 70s with the way people talk about the likes of Henri, Yvon, etc.
Not that they aren't deserving of being up here (though I disagree with Henri's placement) but every player gets better with time, so if they were good they become great. If they were great they become legendary. It's a process that we can't stop or alter but might want to consider when putting together a list like this.

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newsy for me... add vézina and naslund , one of the 2

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The question is pretty simple, it goes: Which of these hockey players has been the best while playing with the Habs? Koivu is one of the longest serving Canadiens in hockey history? Ok ... Well you can consider him a good leader. But this fact doesn't make him a better hockey player. If the question was: Who are the most siginficant players in the Montreal Canadiens history?, well Saku Koivu would have NO DOUBT a place in the list.

This list should take in consideration their scoring abilities, playmaking skills, leadership value, their physical dominance, their speed, clutch scoring, back and front checking prowess and defensives abilities, all that while playing for the Montreal Canadiens. If you take all that into the equation, Koivu should nowhere to be found on the list.

That's the project, and the question is pretty much straightforward.
The question is not straight forward. I take this project as seeking the players who had the greatest impact with Montreal. If it's about 'best', then Markov & Kovalev would rank higher than Koivu, and H.Richard would not place as highly as he has.

But this is about impact. And the fact is, all the stats are in Koivu's favour to be top-20.

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But this is about impact. And the fact is, all the stats are in Koivu's favour to be top-20.
If I'd use the word impact in my question, perhaps you could say this. I used my word carefully when I whote the question.

And ''all the Stats are in Koivu's favour''? Ok, the guys is a long time Canadiens Captain. After? Which stats puts him ahead of a Lapperiere, Hainsworth, JC Tremblay, Provost, Cleghorn, Mahovlich, Reardon, Talbot, Worseley and Vézina: match played??

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If I'd use the word impact in my question, perhaps you could say this. I used my word carefully when I whote the question.
I don't understand why you insist on snarky responses. Your question posed the following: Out of this list, which of these hockey players has been the best while playing with the Montreal Canadiens?

Best can be defined in many ways. Your question is not precise and could be taken in many different ways. Best, to me, is the player who did the most for the club, i.e. the player who had the greatest impact. Not the player who was most talented, nor the player who was the most electrifying/popular. My inclination in looking at impact as opposed to talent is further reinforced by the stipulations you made on players like Roy and Chelios.

So please, keep your snarky comments to yourself, and quit tarnishing an otherwise fun little poll with your biased tantrums.

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If I'd use the word impact in my question, perhaps you could say this. I used my word carefully when I whote the question.

And ''all the Stats are in Koivu's favour''? Ok, the guys is a long time Canadiens Captain. After? Which stats puts him ahead of a Lapperiere, Hainsworth, JC Tremblay, Provost, Cleghorn, Mahovlich, Reardon, Talbot, Worseley and Vézina: match played??
How about him finishing his career as a top 10 scorer all time for the Montreal Canadiens? Ahead of many who will no doubt be picked in the top 15..

Saku Koivu 726 games 590 points.. he's closing in on Elmer Lach at #10.. and he played in an era much less "points happy" than the 80's guys.

And you want him nowhere near the top 25?!

Why..

Koivu definitely deserves to be in the top 25.. and I think he should make it in the top 20.

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Bump?

Would love to finish this list off..

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