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US Senators aim to stop use of municipal funds to finance stadiums

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06-18-2017, 07:54 AM
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You must be from a massive city if you don't know the economic impact a downtown core has on the city as a whole. Places the size of Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Winnipeg and Ottawa have a lot of benefits to having their teams in their downtown core. Winnipeg's downtown core has been completely revitalized because of the Jets. Why do you think Ottawa wants to get the Sens in the downtown core? Obviously some don't want to pay for it but it's mutually beneficial. Is it more beneficial for the team? Absolutely, but to suggest there is no benefit to the public at all is asinine.
The Sens want an arena downtown because it will benefit the SENATORS. The owners of the real estate and business in the area where they want to build an arena will also benefit. It is a VERY small amount of people. It will benefit the SENATORS because of the location of the current arena being an inconvenience to so many in the region. However, feel free to show some evidence of benefit to the general public. When you are unable to do so, I suggest you read Field of Schemes. It is available on Amazon. Simply using arguments like, "Look at how it helps downtown" or "people spend money at bars and restaurants near the arena" is not evidence, it is theory.

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Never been to either, but not sure why it matters. Why does "downtown" have to matter? "downtown" would likely have a lot less traffic without the teams, at least on gamenights and people will spend their money elsewhere. It is a VERY small radius of real estate that benefits from the arena/stadium and does nothing for the City/State?Province as a whole.
Downtowns are usually central to the area, so far easier for everyone to get to it vs a place out in the suburbs somewhere. Detroit simply would not work with that type of set up, which is probably why the Pistons will be moving to the new Wings arena.

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Downtowns are usually central to the area, so far easier for everyone to get to it vs a place out in the suburbs somewhere. Detroit simply would not work with that type of set up, which is probably why the Pistons will be moving to the new Wings arena.
That is not my argument. People are on here talking about how much the arena does to improve "downtown". Not sure why it is so important for "Downtown" to be improved. How many residents actually benefit from "downtown".

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Let the owners pay for their own stadiums.
I've held to this for decades now.

Let a team threaten to move. It's always the best choice.

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I've held to this for decades now.

Let a team threaten to move. It's always the best choice.
And, if this legislation ever passes, the threat of moving will be meaningless. Only place to go is a city that already has a modern arena without a team. Kansas City? Quebec City? Who else?

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That is not my argument. People are on here talking about how much the arena does to improve "downtown". Not sure why it is so important for "Downtown" to be improved. How many residents actually benefit from "downtown".
From my wee experience, downtown(s) typically suffer from not having enough people around after the workday to keep much open during the evening. A constant cycle of frantic to dead which limits the hours and types of shopping/services/entertainment available throughout the whole day. More people in the evenings equates to more things available to anyone thinking of living in the area... reducing sprawl and municipal infrastructure. Is this the pitch used to suck up all the free monies?

Would personally love it if municipalities/govs across NA colluded to not compete for sports franchises with public money. IE no big gift to lure existing teams, remove the leverage.

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Good for them, municipal governments are easily lead, bullied, intimated or conned in this regard and most of them have totally lost sight of what their core function is. They need to be saved from themselves.

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From my wee experience, downtown(s) typically suffer from not having enough people around after the workday to keep much open during the evening. A constant cycle of frantic to dead which limits the hours and types of shopping/services/entertainment available throughout the whole day. More people in the evenings equates to more things available to anyone thinking of living in the area... reducing sprawl and municipal infrastructure. Is this the pitch used to suck up all the free monies?

Would personally love it if municipalities/govs across NA colluded to not compete for sports franchises with public money. IE no big gift to lure existing teams, remove the leverage.
I get it, it benefits "downtown". And, how does it benefit the taxpayers? "Downtown" is not paying for it. There are areas of Manhattan that seem like ghost towns on weekends and in the evening. Every city has sections that are dead at night and on weekends. Having the arena downtown may benefit "downtown", it is more convenient for more fans, but that doesn't mean having this lively downtown benefits the city or the tax payers. Like others have said, the money is now being spent downtown instead of elsewhere.

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I don't think this will change anytime in the near future
welfare for billionaires is kinda a main thrust of how business/govt works in America

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I'm not sure that this has a good chance of passing in any event.

It seems rather a weird argument that municipalities should not incentivize something concrete and tangible in their community and instead send the money to Washington where it's then wasted in far less tangible fashion.

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