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06-14-2017, 03:40 PM
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The last two years Flint has been table to sign both 1st round draft picks and three of their 2nd round draft picks (Dellandrea, Busby, Holmes, Keppen, and Gretz). Really excited about all five of these young, talented players.
Yup what i was refering to is he had a scholarship to play at OSU and decomited to play here. From what i heard

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Yup what i was refering to is he had a scholarship to play at OSU and decomited to play here. From what i heard
I don't think there was an official scholarship offer for a 15yo on the table but, yeah he had verbally committed to OSU. Close enough for me I guess. They didn't really have to reach with any of those picks either. They were all (or at least appear to be at this point) really good draft value at the spot they were taken. I fully expect to see Wismer and Cavallin signed along with a few others by camp. What Stefan, McParlan, and Burnett (I guess Branch is on the clock now too) have been able to accomplish despite Flint's reputation, the water crisis and Nilsen's shenanigans is really Really REALLY impressive. I think they'll struggle to improve on last year with the losses of Moore, Sherwood, Peters, Henderson, Clark ect but the youth movement and the future leave a lot of optimism on the table. I'm really looking forward to watching this group grow this year.

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I don't think there was an official scholarship offer for a 15yo on the table but, yeah he had verbally committed to OSU. Close enough for me I guess. They didn't really have to reach with any of those picks either. They were all (or at least appear to be at this point) really good draft value at the spot they were taken. I fully expect to see Wismer and Cavallin signed along with a few others by camp. What Stefan, McParlan, and Burnett (I guess Branch is on the clock now too) have been able to accomplish despite Flint's reputation, the water crisis and Nilsen's shenanigans is really Really REALLY impressive. I think they'll struggle to improve on last year with the losses of Moore, Sherwood, Peters, Henderson, Clark ect but the youth movement and the future leave a lot of optimism on the table. I'm really looking forward to watching this group grow this year.
Great point Savard18. Cavallin should be next to sign (our other 2nd round pick), plus Wismer (another of our 2nd round picks from last year). Plus a couple other rookies from past drafts or from this year's U-18 draft. Spot on about our potential record this season. We have good young talent, but the loss of the mentioned players will be very difficult to replace.

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Gretz is an unreal player....Likely going to step into the top 4 on day 1. Congrats to him and the organization.

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06-19-2017, 11:32 AM
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2017 2nd round pick, G Luke Cavallin signs. That's the big 3 from the last draft in the fold.

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2017 2nd round pick, G Luke Cavallin signs. That's the big 3 from the last draft in the fold.
I wonder who he is going to be backing up? Forrest or Hicks?

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I wonder who he is going to be backing up? Forrest or Hicks?
I believe Hicks signed an ECHL ATO contract. I'm not sure how that worked out for him. I'd assume he's going to try and find a pro deal. IF by chance he does return, I'd say try to find a team that works for him and get whatever they can in return. One, because I think he'd garner more trade value than Forrest. Which I don't think will be much either way, although Burnett did land a 4th and Forrest for Moran and I'd take Hicks over Moran any day. Two, I just have more faith in Garrett. I thought they should have went with him in the playoffs and I thought they should have turned to him or least let him close a game when Hicks struggled against the Soo. I'd be happiest to see Forrest starting come the opener with Cavallin and another goalie from the organization battling for back-up duties. I believe in Garrett and think he'll have a great season if given the support and if Cavallin is everything the scouts say Flint should look really good in net this year.

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06-19-2017, 05:59 PM
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Great signing and great job by Joe Stefan, Barclay Branch, and Ryan Oulahen in getting Luke and his family (from the Ottawa, Ontario area) to commit to the Flint Firebirds! That is our first 3 picks signed! Luke, as the top rated goalie in the priority draft has a very very bright future. Now the big question is who will get the 4th and final spot from this years 2017 Priority Draft selections; RW Jeff Burridge, C Tanner McEachern, G Aidan Pitre, or Defenseman Zach Pilon? It would be a bit unusual to keep both drafted goalies I admit, although both are highly rated, but stranger things have happened.
PS: See proposed roster on page #4.


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06-19-2017, 08:55 PM
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I'd wait and bring Pitre and Burridge in next year

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With the Import draft in 8 days that could change up their plans too

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Well, they can sign as many as they want but they can only roster and play 4. Even with the LV expansion draft thinning things out slightly across NHL-AHL-ECHL I still think another year in the O would be best for Smereck and there's a decent chance we see him returned to Flint. Steinocher should be here. They didn't draft him for last year. They didn't really draft him for this year either. He'll be paying big dividends in 18-19 and 19-20. I also think Vesalainen goes in the first round and there's a 50-50 chance you see him in Flint also. If I'm an NHL GM that takes him in the 1st, I don't wanna see him playing in Finland. I'm either sending him to Sweden or NA and I might as well get him used to living and playing in NA. Like Firebird71 said, let Pitre get big time minutes as the man in JrB or wherever he's happy. Doesn't make a lot of sense to have him battling Cavallin for time THIS year. I'm pretty confident you'll be seeing Jack Wismer and Braydon Leeking in Firebirds jerseys this year. Hopefully Uba is here also. I'm sure there will be at least a couple kids who open eyes at camp. While I was pretty critical of Jacob Collins and his lack of offensive production last year he is solid defensively and doesn't put himself in the box very often. He'll be 19 and next year's roster will benefit from all the veteran leadership it can get. He was absent from your proposed roster TC, that's why I mention him specifically. I often forget about him too. Hopefully he progresses this year and changes that. Probably next to zero chance Joel Farabee and Evan Barratt show up. If I was Birds management I'd be pointing out some things about Penn State to Barratt on an almost daily basis. i expect to see strides out of a lot of kids. Big ones out of Dellandrea and Gordeev and I think you'll see Dennis Busby begin to be an offensive dynamo this year on his way to becoming one of the top D in the OHL in the near future. It'll be a struggle at times this year but it should be fun to watch.

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If Flint has decided to keep Steinocher, they will not have a import selection. I could go either way with Collins and Steinocher. Neither was very impressive, but like you said, veteran presence is needed. They would be expected to improve. I also think they could trade for an experienced overage player as well. I too think Wismer will be there, but not sure about Leeking, but he is a big kid. Eric Uba had a outstanding year this past season. They will also have to invite/get/sign a couple more defenseman too.


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If Flint has decided to keep Steinocher, they will not have a import selection. I could go either way with Collins and Steinocher. Neither was very impressive, but like you said, veteran presence is needed. They would be expected to improve. I also think they could trade for an experienced overage player as well. I too think Wismer will be there, but not sure about Leeking, but he is a big kid. Eric Uba had a outstanding year this past season. They will also have to invite/get/sign a couple more defenseman too.
Steinocher is the only Import on the team...Gordeev was picked in the regular draft and the draft order I see on the cHL website...Flint picks 25th


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Steinocher is the only Import on the team...Gordeev was picked in the regular draft and the draft order I see on the cHL website...Flint picks 25th
We also selected and have the rights to Kristian Vesalainen who will be a 1st round NHL pick next week. Being that we own his rights, can we still pick another import player? Also, with the trade today with North Bay with Flint getting German Import LW Max Kislinger, does this count as another import player?


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We also selected and have the rights to Kristian Vesalainen who will be a 1st round NHL pick next week. Being that we own his rights, can we still pick another import player?
Yes but they'll know before that if he intends to come here

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Most likely unless Steinocher isn't coming back

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Proposed roster is looking a bit different with both LW Collins and LW Import Kislinger now added. I absolutely love the Max Kislinger deal, provided he reports!
Obviously, this does not include any further trades or free agent signings. Seems to be an over-abundance of LW with the recent addition of Max Kislinger. However, I think we all know there will be a trade or two no matter who the General Manager is:

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Colella, Maurizio LW L 6.00 191.....Mar 21, 1997 (Overage)
Kislinger, Max LW L 6.03 202.....Feb 11, 1998
Phibbs, Jack LW L 6.00 186.....Mar 5, 1999
Caamano, Nicholas LW L 6.03 190.....Sep 7, 1998
Collins, Jacob LW L6.02 193.....Apr 20, 1998
Keppen, Ethan LW L 6.02 195.....Mar 20, 2001......*Rookie '17 Priority Draft
Durham, Jake RW R 5.11 194.....Apr 7, 1999
Clarke, C.J. RW L 6.00 198.....Feb 8, 1999
Littlejohn, Ryan LW L 6.01 180.....Feb 11, 2000
Dellandrea, Ty C R 6.01 191.....Jul 21, 2000
Holmes, Hunter C L 6.01 178.....Jan 25, 2000

(2 of the following provided both Collins and Phibbs are back.
One I would assume would be Jack Wismer)

? White, James LW R 6.03 216.....Sep 25, 2000......*Rookie '17 U-18 Draft
? Kirwan, Luke LW L 6.02 218.....Sep 23, 1997.......Questionable because of concussions (Overage)
? Uba, Eric RW L 5.10 183.....Dec 12, 2000..........*Rookie '16 Priority Draft
? Wismer, Jack RW R 6.01 185.....Feb 24, 2000......*Rookie '16 Priority Draft
? Pearson, Kaleb RW R 5.09 163.....Jun 15, 2000......*Rookie '17 U-18 Draft
? Burridge, Jeff RW R 6.01 195.....Jan 3, 2001......*Rookie '17 Priority Draft
? Leeking, Braydon RW R 6.03 193.....Feb 28, 2000......*Rookie '16 Priority Draft
? McEachern, Tanner LW L 5.10 150.....Jan 20, 2001.....*Rookie '17 Priority Draft

Defenseman

Duchesne, Samuel D L 6.02 170.....May 29, 1999
Busby, Dennis D R 5.11 177.....Jan 6, 2000
Marcus Gretz D L 6.03 197.....Nov 22, 2001......*Rookie '17 Priority Draft
Gordeev, Fedor D L 6.06 208.....Jan 27, 1999
Nilsen, Hakon D R 6.01 193.....Feb 4, 1998

(3 of the following)

? Steinocher, Michal D R 6.06 217.....Dec 2, 1999.......'16 Import Draft
? Gaetz, Scott D R 5.09 172.....Jun 23, 1999......*Rookie '17 U-18
? Valente, James D R 6.01 190.....Sep 14,2000......*Rookie Free Agent
? Fields, Devon D R 6.01 214.....Oct 25, 1999.....*Rookie '15 Priority Selection
? Rettinger, Josh D L 6.01 170.....Jun 3, 1999.......*Rookie '15 Priority Selection
? Pilon, Zach D R 6.03 177....Nov 28, 2001.....*Rookie '17 Priority Selection

Goalies
Luke Cavallin G R 6.01 171.....Apr 29, 2001......*Rookie '17 Priority Selection

Aidan Pitre G R 6.01 209.....July 12, 2001......*Rookie '17 Priority Selection
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Forrest, Garrett G L 5.10 180.....Jul 7, 1997 ([U]Overage[/U)

NOTE: This assumes that Ryan Moore, Luke Kirwan, Kole Sherwood, and Jalen Smerck will not be back. However, any of them could be back changing the roster dramatically. if healthy, we could really use Kirwan. It would be great if Barratt and Farabee committed, just not expecting it. If the above veterans do not come back, we very well could have 7-9 rookies this year. This past season, we finished with 8 rookies. NOTE: Only 4 players from the '17 Priority Draft can be kept this fall. Their first 3 picks (Keppen, Gretz, Cavallin) plus any one other 2017 priority selection. It appears that we will be very, very young.


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06-20-2017, 12:08 PM
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Can we confirm that Kislinger is an Import? Just because he's German doesn't necessarily mean that he fills an Import roster spot. If he does, they'll have to drop the right to one of the three (Kislinger, Steinocher, Vesalainen).

EDIT: I guess he is an Import..."Kislinger, a six-foot-three, 203-pound left-winger, was a first-round draft pick (48th overall) of North Bay in the 2015 CHL Import Draft.

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Does anyone think the kid from North Bay will report?

We gave up practically nothing for him.

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Anyone one know the book on him injury wise. I see he only played in about half of North Bays games last year. Wondering if he was hurt a lot or just scratched.

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Can we confirm that Kislinger is an Import? Just because he's German doesn't necessarily mean that he fills an Import roster spot. If he does, they'll have to drop the right to one of the three (Kislinger, Steinocher, Vesalainen).

EDIT: I guess he is an Import..."Kislinger, a six-foot-three, 203-pound left-winger, was a first-round draft pick (48th overall) of North Bay in the 2015 CHL Import Draft.
I think if they thought Vesalainen was going to report today's trade wouldn't have happened but he also can be traded now

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Does anyone think the kid from North Bay will report?

We gave up practically nothing for him.
Pretty sure Oulahan knows him and has probably talked to him

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Hopefully they trade for a few more guys who are playing LW. I don't know about this one. Kislingers numbers aren't very impressive. He doesn't stand out in my memory from the NB games either. Steinocher grew from 6-5 to 6-8 in the offseason last year, was young and had to learn to live in a new country playing a new hockey style on different sized rinks. I hope they didn't just give up on him that fast. Remember how horrible Zdeno Chara was his first couple years in NA? Steinocher was never really given a chance to find his groove either. I wouldn't give up on Vesalainen until after the NHL draft either unless there's something else going on there. If one of those two are going to be in Flint next year, they don't think they score better than a 19yo who was on pace for 11 goals and 11 assists with their import pick? I guess they paid very little for him and Ouhlahen knows him but....

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Savard18, you have been to many more games in person than me, but I am not sure where all the praise for Steinocher is coming from. In 40 games he had 1 point and was minus 11. I know he wasn't expected to be a big scorer and that points are not everything for a defensive minded defenseman. Also, size isn't everything unless he is using it to to punish opposing players and put some points on the board. At this point, if he reports, I would rather have Kislinger than Steinocher. Do you keep an import who had 1 point or 2 or 3 points in a whole year or a import who had would have had 22, who had 20 points the previous year. Just a different of opinion that is all.

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