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04-03-2008, 03:51 PM
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Is Subban playing with the Hamilton Buldogs next year?
Nope still in junior and probably a second WJC(hopefully in the top 6.)

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Just cause he's a great skater doesn't mean he's more fit to play Forward than Defence.... Now, don't think I'm comparing their entire game, just the Skating aspect.... but see Scott Niedermeyer for what a great skater on defence can do.

As far as defensive defencencies go... He was weak at the start of the 06-07 season, but by the 07 playoffs his tendencies to get caught out of position and take too many offensive chances were remedied. However it was still a question mark come draft day, as we had two Subbans to compare, the early season one with defensive problems, or the late season defensively responsible one.... This season has confirmed his progress as he continues to play a solid defensive game... He hits, is tough, and can make an outlet pass and join the rush... He also has a hell of shot. He'll always be seen as an offensive defenceman but that doesn't mean his defensive game sucks, its just that the offensive stats will always overshine the defensive ones.

Again I'm not saying he'll be as good as Markov, but think about how most fans of other teams think of Markov, they see an offensive defenceman and he doesn't get the credit for his defensive game that the fans of Montreal who see him 82 times a year are able to see. With limited exposure to Subban a lot of people only focus on his offensive game and assume that must mean he is weak defensively... which is not true. Sure his positioning needs a little work, but hes a smart talented player, Lever and are other AHL coaches can teach him.

Subban is a good enough defenceman to be part of a gold medal WJC team... a team that wouldn't take him if he was a defensive liability, thats not Hartsburg's philosophy. His defensive flaws have been greatly exagerated IMO....
Agree 100% from a guy who has seen him since his first year in the O. He has improved so much defensively and every year is much better offensively.

Your assestment of P.K. is bang on.

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With the amazing athletic skills he has, I personally think he would make an outstanding goaltender but this is just me..

Seriously, Im getting tired to hear about Subban translating in a fowards..

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Is he playing with Nigel Williams 5on5 and on the PP?
The odd PP they are out at the same time but not very often. Both guys have a heavy shot and can skate so Burnett tries to keep them apart.

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Just cause he's a great skater doesn't mean he's more fit to play Forward than Defence.... Now, don't think I'm comparing their entire game, just the Skating aspect.... but see Scott Niedermeyer for what a great skater on defence can do.

As far as defensive defencencies go... He was weak at the start of the 06-07 season, but by the 07 playoffs his tendencies to get caught out of position and take too many offensive chances were remedied. However it was still a question mark come draft day, as we had two Subbans to compare, the early season one with defensive problems, or the late season defensively responsible one.... This season has confirmed his progress as he continues to play a solid defensive game... He hits, is tough, and can make an outlet pass and join the rush... He also has a hell of shot. He'll always be seen as an offensive defenceman but that doesn't mean his defensive game sucks, its just that the offensive stats will always overshine the defensive ones.

Again I'm not saying he'll be as good as Markov, but think about how most fans of other teams think of Markov, they see an offensive defenceman and he doesn't get the credit for his defensive game that the fans of Montreal who see him 82 times a year are able to see. With limited exposure to Subban a lot of people only focus on his offensive game and assume that must mean he is weak defensively... which is not true. Sure his positioning needs a little work, but hes a smart talented player, Lever and are other AHL coaches can teach him.

Subban is a good enough defenceman to be part of a gold medal WJC team... a team that wouldn't take him if he was a defensive liability, thats not Hartsburg's philosophy. His defensive flaws have been greatly exagerated IMO....
Thanks for all the info on Subban. Reason I asked was that we have a ton of DMan prospects so I was wondering if him playing forward was a possibility since I had heard he was a bit of a liability on defence.

Hartsburg had taken him as a 7th d-man, PP specialist with limited 5 on 5 ice time because of his defensive flaws for the WJC, no? This was also why I had asked.

Glad to hear his defensive game has improved a lot. I'm pretty excited about this kid. Pretty excited about many of our prospects actually.

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Thanks for all the info on Subban. Reason I asked was that we have a ton of DMan prospects so I was wondering if him playing forward was a possibility since I had heard he was a bit of a liability on defence.

Hartsburg had taken him as a 7th d-man, PP specialist with limited 5 on 5 ice time because of his defensive flaws for the WJC, no? This was also why I had asked.

Glad to hear his defensive game has improved a lot. I'm pretty excited about this kid. Pretty excited about many of our prospects actually.
I figured that's what he was going to use Subban as, but he never got any PP time at all. Hopefully next year PK plays a much bigger role as I thought he was good in his limited time.

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With the amazing athletic skills he has, I personally think he would make an outstanding goaltender but this is just me..

Seriously, Im getting tired to hear about Subban translating in a fowards..
Seriously, I'm getting tired of seeing the name NewHabsArea, because it makes absolutely no sense.

I simply asked if it was a possibility. I hadn't seen it discussed and thought it might be a possibility because of our logjam on defence. I stated in my post that i had rarely seen him play and I was going by only what I had heard.

I had heard he was very offensively gifted and had problems defensively (in the OHL, nonetheless). I think it was a legitimate question and if you don't, just don't read it.

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Chett Pickard is pretty high on my list, so is Mccollum(whatever the spelling haha)

I wouldnt be too shocked if we draft a goalie in the 1st round.
I'd fall out of my chair if we drafted a goalie in the 1st round again, doesn't seem like a great year for goalies to go in the 1st round. I wouldn't be surprised to see us draft a goalie, Peter Delmas might be a good choice.

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Is Subban playing with the Hamilton Buldogs next year?
He can join Hamilton next year once his season with Belleville is over.

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Thanks for all the info on Subban. Reason I asked was that we have a ton of DMan prospects so I was wondering if him playing forward was a possibility since I had heard he was a bit of a liability on defence.

Hartsburg had taken him as a 7th d-man, PP specialist with limited 5 on 5 ice time because of his defensive flaws for the WJC, no? This was also why I had asked.

Glad to hear his defensive game has improved a lot. I'm pretty excited about this kid. Pretty excited about many of our prospects actually.
Well none of us can know what the Habs plan to do with him but I'd personally be surprised if they considered moving him to forward. We do have a number of interesting D prospects, especially at RD, which imo is our deepest position from our prospect pool. But I'd also say that Subban is one of our top D prospects, and the hope is that he continues to improve over the next 2-3 years before hitting the pros. In the last ranking I had on my site, I had Subban at 9th overall I believe (guys like S.Kostitsyn/O'B/Halak were ranked but won't be for the year end ranking) so Subban could end up in my top 5. I am really impressed with his physical abilities, and hope the rest of his game can catch up, could turn into a really solid defensemen for us down the road.

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Seriously, I'm getting tired of seeing the name NewHabsArea, because it makes absolutely no sense.

I simply asked if it was a possibility. I hadn't seen it discussed and thought it might be a possibility because of our logjam on defence. I stated in my post that i had rarely seen him play and I was going by only what I had heard.

I had heard he was very offensively gifted and had problems defensively (in the OHL, nonetheless). I think it was a legitimate question and if you don't, just don't read it.
The reason people are jumping all over this is cause it was discussed quite a bit after the draft and just a couple weeks ago.

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I figured that's what he was going to use Subban as, but he never got any PP time at all. Hopefully next year PK plays a much bigger role as I thought he was good in his limited time.
Ya, I was also impressed. I remember a few very smart plays on his part.

If he's improved as much as people say he has, I think his chances are very good. There will probably be a few open spots as well so he will have the opportunity I'm sure.

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The reason people are jumping all over this is cause it was discussed quite a bit after the draft and just a couple weeks ago.
Fair enough, but if I'm asking it, I obviously missed that last discussion, no? How can someone possibly be faulted for having missed a discussion within a thread, that I'm sure wasn't dedicated solely to Subban being played up front, a few weeks ago?

It's not like I started a thread of my own or anything. I simply posted a question asking for some insight on something I thought was relevant to this thread's discussion.

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Fair enough, but if I'm asking it, I obviously missed that last discussion, no? How can someone possibly be faulted for having missed a discussion within a thread, that I'm sure wasn't dedicated solely to Subban being played up front, a few weeks ago?

It's not like I started a thread of my own or anything. I simply posted a question asking for some insight on something I thought was relevant to this thread's discussion.
Just read through this for the discussion. Next time use search.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...ghlight=Subban

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I can't wait till Subban plays for the habs, he has a great personality and will become a fan favorite real fast.

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Emelin is one of the most overrated habs prospects ever, the guy has just rode the WJC wave and fans on here just eat it up.

Until he crosses the pond and does something half decent over here hes got guys like Subban O'byrne Weber Fischer Carle Mcdonagh way ahead of him.

And at this point I would defenatley put Valentenko ahead of him aswell because atleast we have been able to see him in Hamilton.

Wait and see situation sure but the way alot of folks put him on this pedistal is just stupid we have a plethora of tallent ahead of him.

Subban is built for a scoring defenceman in the NHL btw he is a great skater and good puck handler, thats my bit on him.

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We have all these defensive prospects, some very promising, fighting for what, 3 spots if some of our current roster leaves?

Locked: Markov, Komi, Hammer

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We have all these defensive prospects, some very promising, fighting for what, 3 spots if some of our current roster leaves?

Locked: Markov, Komi, Hammer
Well until Komisarek is locked up long term, I'd hold off on calling him locked since at this point he'll be a ufa after next season. Granted I fully expect Gainey to sign him long term, but until it's official, I'd wait.

With defensemen it usually takes a while for them to work their way into the nhl, so if you look at the prospects now, we have Valetenko and Carle in the ahl now. Next year I could see Valentenko getting in some games but I'd be surprised if either was a regular. Weber moves up to Hamilton next season.

So in 2 years we could have a problem with guys like McDonagh, Fischer, Paquet, and Subban all turning pro along with Torp. There's the unknown Emelin who hopefully is signed this summer or next.

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Just read through this for the discussion. Next time use search.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...ghlight=Subban
I don't know if thats 100% fair... I mean its not like we've never discussed anything more than once.

Anyone think we can get Lecavalier next year???

So should Price or Huet be our number 1 for the playoffs??

The minute-by-minute Hossa thread.

Give the guy a break.

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I don't know if thats 100% fair... I mean its not like we've never discussed anything more than once.

Anyone think we can get Lecavalier next year???

So should Price or Huet be our number 1 for the playoffs??

The minute-by-minute Hossa thread.

Give the guy a break.
Oh I am. Im just saying that was only a few days ago.

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so is Tomas Linhart, whatever happend to that guy....
It's Andre Savard's era, not Timmins' pick.
On top of that, it is not Savard's pick! It is the assistant GM Madden's pick I believe.

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It's smells trade.

You don't know what can happen with those guys, some will bust, etc. We can't consider that they will make the NHL. I prefer to have this kind of problem than to be like Toronto with 2 or 3 prospects...

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