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06-01-2017, 08:55 PM
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That story from Congress....Makes me sick.

Samaranch sounds like Bettman. Always has to turn it to his own control. Even though he knows they have him, he takes the question where he wants it.

Men like that make me sick. Just sick.

Unfortunately, there are too many of them in the world.

And, many are in sports, sadly.

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06-01-2017, 09:13 PM
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That story from Congress....Makes me sick.
Yes indeed. And thats just the tip of the Iceberg.

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06-02-2017, 06:48 AM
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As I recall, Montreal in 76 was a financial debacle. It seemed at the time, from a few reports, that it was well understood that no city could ever make money on the Games. Then, along came Ueberroth and LA in 84, where they used many already existing facilities, and LA did ok. That jump started the whole process. Had LA not bid to host in 84, the entire thing would have a completely different feel today. So, yeah, Samaranch was in power when it turned around, but he really was not responsible. He was fortunate to be at the right place and time.

Following LA 84, when the US won so many medals (no Soviet bloc countries), the media rights exploded (I have no figures. I only know that US had by far the biggest media audience at the time), and that is what led to the colossus we have today.

Now, again, the elephant is collapsing under its own weight (how's that for a mixed metaphor). And, again, LA is looking for a way to come to the rescue.

In any case, K, you are exactly right. Because the Games have garnered so much attention for themselves, the men who run it have taken the attitude (although they can't see themselves in this) that the cities need them more than they need the cities. And, that's what leads to all the opulence, which is sickening.
That is the key. Cities need to stop bidding if they are going to have spends tons of money building facilities that will be useless after the games.

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That is the key. Cities need to stop bidding if they are going to have spends tons of money building facilities that will be useless after the games.
I get the impression that essentially the cities that have facilities/etc are no longer interested & it's only the cities that don't that seriously bid; also the IOC can't get as much graft without all the "needed" building

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I get the impression that essentially the cities that have facilities/etc are no longer interested & it's only the cities that don't that seriously bid; also the IOC can't get as much graft without all the "needed" building
You are right, and the reason is that the cities who have facilities already are largely in nations democratically elected government. Such nations no longer wish to include in the bid the kind of opulence to which the leaders (cough cough) of the IOC think they are entitled.

Thus, since the matter is a 'bid', the higher bids come from places with dictatorship governments of various kinds, who can choose to spend any amount they wish to, and grant IOC special treatment besides. See Sochi, Russia as an example.

Amazingly, IOC is actually considering LA and Paris for 24 and 28. And, perhaps the reason is that there are no choices any more.

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Exactly how I feel. The Olympics started off as something that was a bit more innocent...
Not really... Even when it first started it was an arrogant club for European aristocrats. The "amateur" rule that people here STILL like to nostalgically invoke was a crude classist tool to keep working people out of the competition. That rule survived post-war until the 1990s because the communist bloc could use it to keep a lot of elite western athletes out, which along with their widespread cheating/doping inflated their medal totals for propaganda purposes of promoting the virtues of their gulag nations.

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Everyone is giving the NHL a hard time with not going to the Olympics .

The World Cup is a joke. The World Cup is a joke because of the Olympics

if you stop going to the Olympics the World Cup will be really important and the NHL / NHLPA make all the money. which will make all the Franchises much stronger.

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Not really... Even when it first started it was an arrogant club for European aristocrats. The "amateur" rule that people here STILL like to nostalgically invoke was a crude classist tool to keep working people out of the competition. That rule survived post-war until the 1990s because the communist bloc could use it to keep a lot of elite western athletes out, which along with their widespread cheating/doping inflated their medal totals for propaganda purposes of promoting the virtues of their gulag nations.
Yes, there is that as well.

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Not really... Even when it first started it was an arrogant club for European aristocrats. The "amateur" rule that people here STILL like to nostalgically invoke was a crude classist tool to keep working people out of the competition. That rule survived post-war until the 1990s because the communist bloc could use it to keep a lot of elite western athletes out, which along with their widespread cheating/doping inflated their medal totals for propaganda purposes of promoting the virtues of their gulag nations.
Yes unfortunately all true, and your being "polite" about it to say the least though it sounds like your quite familiar with the situation thats existed sine the Olympic Games modern inception. That the motives of the founder, French peer Baron Pierre de Courbetin organizing the 1st Olympiad in Athens in 1896 were at best dubious having more to do with the French being walloped during the Franco-Prussian War. He sat as President until his death in 1942 overseeing the games through a considerable amount of global upheavel, industrialization, WW1 (& WW2 which was really just a continuation of WW1), Russian Revolution & Communism, rise of the National Socialist Party in Germany & so on. Revisionist historians in writing his history & the history of the Olympic Games glossing over a considerable volume unflattering facts. Polishing the Turd to the brightness of a Faberge Egg. The Barons' near religious Deification. Nobel Peace Prize Winner. Huzzah!... Of course, upon closer inspection, the release of long buried & hopefully lost forever papers, letters & documents in private & some public archives unearthed, an entirely different picture emerges of The Baron de Courbetin. And it aint pretty. An insidious, odious web of influence peddling & corruption of the worst imaginable kind, turning a blind eye to rampant human abuse, genocide, anti-semitism, you name it.... here but a sampling from a 1999 NY Times article when the IOC was embroiled in a mess of its own making when US Legislators & others were investigating their operations, corruption pursuant to the Salt Lake City Games & so on...... http://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/21/sp...936-games.html


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Did anyone notice the International Olympic Committee reportedly offered Los Angeles a higher slice of the profits if it agreed to host the 2028 Summer Olympics, ceding 2024 to Paris? I’m betting the NHL and its owners did. The whole thing is just so frustrating.
And the IOC wasn't interested in working with the NHL/NHLPA? It will be interesting to see how the 2018 Winter Olympics work without NHL players. Could be that the IOC changes its tune about 2022.

(My guess is that the players will demand Olympic participation in future CBAs.)

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And the IOC wasn't interested in working with the NHL/NHLPA? It will be interesting to see how the 2018 Winter Olympics work without NHL players. Could be that the IOC changes its tune about 2022.

(My guess is that the players will demand Olympic participation in future CBAs.)
The way I see it is that too, the players never thought to make it part of the CBA, but it will be from here on out.

I actually didnt know the cities got direct money from the Olympics, I wonder how it works? A direct cut of every ticket sold?

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I believe most of the revenues run through the IOC treasury via sponsorship and TV deals. The local organizing committee that is responsible for building and staffing everything might have some revenues (Mascot imagery or some other junk) but not enough to cover that, so the IOC kicks them a slice of that TV/top sponsor pie to cover the gap. This piece sent down apparently is subject to negotiation, and I guess the IOC doesn't have the leverage they used to as bidders get scarcer.

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And the IOC wasn't interested in working with the NHL/NHLPA? It will be interesting to see how the 2018 Winter Olympics work without NHL players. Could be that the IOC changes its tune about 2022.

(My guess is that the players will demand Olympic participation in future CBAs.)
I wonder how deep the player support for the Olympics truly is. The players all say they love it but how much do the 3/4 of the league players that don't go to the tournament really care about it? i'm guessing not that much, not enough to cause a labour stoppage, or make a concession that will cost them money.

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The way I see it is that too, the players never thought to make it part of the CBA, but it will be from here on out.

I actually didnt know the cities got direct money from the Olympics, I wonder how it works? A direct cut of every ticket sold?
I highly doubt it was an oversight and left out of the CBA, especially since the Olympics were explicitly included in the prior CBA. The more likely story is that the owners objected to including it in the latest CBA and the PA thought it would get sorted out later with the owners eventually consenting to participate.

After all, that's what happened with the 2014 Sochi Olympics.

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Meanwhile, a firm policy on NHL players who wish to participate won’t be finalized until the summer. But there was discussion about it at the GM meetings, and managers sure had the impression that NHLers (and AHLers on two-way contracts) won’t be allowed to go.

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It doesn’t sound like players on NHL contracts playing in the AHL will be allowed to compete in South Korea. But, if you spend next season overseas, there’s going to be some room to play. The rules aren’t written yet, but that is the word.

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Friedman: Absolute miracle agreement needed for NHLers to go to Olympics

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NHLPA should concede something on this, that's not cba expiry.

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The AHL has delivered a memo to the league’s 30 clubs letting each organization know that players on AHL contracts can be loaned to their respective national teams from Feb. 5-26. The key there, though, is that at this point, the league is saying it’s only players inked to AHL contracts. That means any player suiting up in the AHL on a two-way contract or any player on a one-way deal who has been demoted by his NHL club will not be eligible to participate — at least according to the latest report.

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If not going to the Olympics means the World Cup of Hockey becomes a legitimate serious thing, than I'm all for it. This whole business of a Team Europe and a Team North America this last go-round just made a mockery of itself.

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Olympic hockey is garbage, get rid of it and bring in a real world cup every 4 years, no gimmick teams.

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If not going to the Olympics means the World Cup of Hockey becomes a legitimate serious thing, than I'm all for it. This whole business of a Team Europe and a Team North America this last go-round just made a mockery of itself.
Why was it a mockery? It was the best thing to do to ice 8 competitive teams. Smart move by the organizers. The young stars team was exciting and had people watching. Team Europe made it to the finals. Having two European teams replace these two teams would've been a complete waste of time. Plus, it allowed NHL stars from countries that couldn't ice a competitive team a chance to play. The tournament format was perfect. I wouldn't change a thing.

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Why was it a mockery? It was the best thing to do to ice 8 competitive teams. Smart move by the organizers. The young stars team was exciting and had people watching. Team Europe made it to the finals. Having two European teams replace these two teams would've been a complete waste of time. Plus, it allowed NHL stars from countries that couldn't ice a competitive team a chance to play. The tournament format was perfect. I wouldn't change a thing.
It was a decent hockey tournament.
It wasn't an international hockey tournament, and as such, not a replacement solution for the Olympics.

I mean, they could've made teams by drawing lots with the Top-180 NHL players. That would probably have given some high level hockey too.

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Guessing that the U20 teams will be heavily utilized too. And the collegiate ranks.

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