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03-22-2017, 01:43 PM
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Usually, the cap hit for a player on an ELC goes down after his contract slides.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/samuel-morin

But for some reason Phil Myers' cap hit went up after his first year slid.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/philippe-myers

Can anyone explain what's going on? I can't figure it out.

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Usually, the cap hit for a player on an ELC goes down after his contract slides.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/samuel-morin

But for some reason Phil Myers' cap hit went up after his first year slid.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/philippe-myers

Can anyone explain what's going on? I can't figure it out.
It's probably an error on the 2015-16 AAV for Myers. Appears that it should be $661,667 instead of $636,667.

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If an NHL team wants to send a player who isn't waiver exempt to the AHL after their NHL regular season ends, does he have to pass thru waivers?

The Flyers temporarily put Jordan Weal on their AHL roster on 3/1 when he was exempt from waivers due to the 10 game/30 day rule, so he is eligible for the AHL playoffs. But that period has expired, so they won't risk him getting claimed on waivers just to help the Phantoms in the AHL playoffs.

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It's an interesting question, I don't recall coming up before. A strict reading of the CBA Waiver section would suggest to me that he can't be sent to the AHL without clearing waivers, even if the Flyers season is over.

The Playing Season Waiver Period begins 12 days before opening day, and ends for each team on the day following the last day of the Club's Playing Season. The rule says that a waiver eligible player cannot be Loaned without first clearing Regular Waivers during the Playing Season Waiver Period. An important distinction is that the rule doesn't say waivers aren't necessary once a Club's Playing Season is over. Just that waivers must be cleared during that period for a player to be loaned at all.

A more succinct summary, the rule appears to say: "A waiver eligible player cannot be Loaned unless he clears Regular Waivers during the Playing Season Waiver Period, and the 10/30 limit hasn't been reached". As opposed to saying something like "During the Playing Season Waiver Period a waiver eligible player cannot be Loaned without first clearing Regular Waivers."


It's possible the NHL/PA has agreed to apply the clause differently. I suppose we'll find out with Weal shortly.


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04-06-2017, 03:11 AM
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He'd have to go through waivers. Just last season Cal O'Reilly was waived on April 11, after Buffalo's last game on April 9, so he could be assigned to Rochester.

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Then it looks like he won't be going back to the Phantoms. Shame.

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Not necessarily. There's still the 50-contract limit, plus player cannot play in other team's playoffs. May be enough to allow player to clear waivers.

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Not necessarily. There's still the 50-contract limit, plus player cannot play in other team's playoffs. May be enough to allow player to clear waivers.
But the teams not in the playoffs can make claims as well? Would seem like a foolish move for the Flyers if he is a player they want to keep.

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http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/04/08/...held-april-29/

2017 Draft lottery scheduled for April 29.

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Great to see a draft lottery where the top %s did not "win".

(A bit disappointing for VGK to not pick higher than 6th, but whatcha gonna do? )

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Interesting case of Tim Heed. By age, and lack of NHL experience, it would appear he would be a UFA6, but he's a RFA. (And perhaps because of his cancelled ELS, may be expansion draft exempt as he has not meet the "pro experience" threshhold.)

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Interesting case of Tim Heed. By age, and lack of NHL experience, it would appear he would be a UFA6, but he's a RFA. (And perhaps because of his cancelled ELS, may be expansion draft exempt as he has not meet the "pro experience" threshhold.)
Appears to be a simple case of incorrect contract reporting in the past. Per CF Heed's ELC was terminated after the first season in 2012-13. Some sites were incorrectly reporting that Heed played on loan to the SHL in what would have been years two and three of the ELC.

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aka giving teams time to buyout players before expansion draft lists are due on June 17

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I expect the CAP ( CAP =an agreement to ensure competitiveness) to drastically decrease .... not from escrow of the escalator clause which are agreements on revenue sharing and salary growth.. Not from money splits but from the NHLPA being forced to help the owners deal with the settlement of that lawsuit that looms over the league like the sword of Damocles... That lawsuit will spawn other lawsuits unless dealt with long term... Only a partnership between the owners and players will be adequate to do that....

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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/3...d-dubas-leafs/

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The NHL and NHLPA released their calendar of critical dates and information for the spring/summer business period. The average league salary for 2016-17 was $3,012,785, up 4.55 per cent from 2015-16 ($2,881,758). If a team wants to walk away from a salary arbitration decision, the threshold is $4,084,219.

Fans love their offer-sheet compensation figures even though we get so few of them. Here they are:

Average annual value Compensation
$1,295,571 or below Nothing
Over $1,295,571-$1,962,986 Third-round pick
Over $1,962,986-$3,925,975 Second-round pick
Over $3,925,975-$5,888,960 First and third-round picks
Over $5,888,960-$7,851,948 First, second and third-round picks
Over $7,851,948-$9,814,935 Two firsts, second and third-round picks
Over $9,814,935 Four first-round picks

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http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/06/17/...espres-buyout/

NHL and NHLPA have received "conceptual agreement" that would allow Anaheim to buyout Despres (who's been sidelined with concussion for about a year).

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“There have been a number of unique aspects related to Mr. Despres’ situation and we and the Players’ Association have worked together to help define the appropriate collectively bargained rules that can be applied to his contract,” Daly wrote in an e-mail. “We now have a conceptual agreement on treatment and we are in the process of documenting that resolution.”
Now maybe we'll see some further deets on this.

(Last chance for team to buy out at 1/3 value due to age.)

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One other thing to keep in mind: if any of those bonus clauses become unreachable then they're immediately deducted from the team cap. Though there are probably few if any bonuses those players might have that would become unreachable before the end of the regular season. Most likely among them would be any Games Played bonuses, or if any of the players become unable to reach the minimum threshold of 41 NHL regular season games required for many performance bonus clauses.
The Games Played bonuses on ELCs are small potato in comparison, as they count towards the Paragraph 1 maximum salary of $925k and as such probably won't rise above ~$200k for 10+ games played.

On Schedule A bonuses, you technically have the G/A/P categories open for skaters until the ending whistle of the season's last game, undependent of games played, so the reduction would only be $212.500 at most and that only after the season is past the All-Stars Game and if the player is not rookie and so not technically eligible for the All-Rookie team. And that is of course only when the agreed max of bonus would be above ~$630k (I assume the teams as a rule don't tweak the category amount of $212.500).

Likewise, in Schedule B bonuses the minimum of 42 games played only concern the PperG comparison, but being league in top 10 in G/A/P in Forwards/Defenders is again technically open for skater until the last minute of season, and in any case the Trophy nominations aren't dependent of the amount of games played, so the big dough in Sched B bonuses is technically available until the end of season.

All in all, at worst we're looking for < $500k total cap reduction per a player on ELC. Except for maybe goalies, who have the minimum of 25/30/20 games for most Schedule A and B categories and may find themselves locked out of A bonuses at 50, 60 games marks, but top 5 nomination for Vezina to secure the Schedule B bonus is still open until the season end.


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Actually... CBA 50.5(h)(i) about the Accounting for Performance Bonuses has it that:

"The cash amount of any Performance Bonuses contained in an SPC that becomes impossible to earn in a given League Year shall, at that time, be deducted from the Club's Averaged Club Salary."

but, the previous Section 50.5 (g) about Accounting for Signing, Reporting and Roster Bonuses contains no corresponding stipulation. This means that the Games Played Bonuses defined in CBA 9.7, which to my understanding fall under "Roster Bonuses", do not have this Club Salary reducing effect even when they become impossible.

So, only non-rookie ELC skaters with maximum aggregate Schedule A bonus above $637.500 are subject to this effect (assuming that the team has agreed to every allowed bonus category and to the full $212.000 per earned category). Goalies are more suspectible; a non-rookie to whom it becomes impossible to play 25 regular seasons game or attain 20 Wins (which in practice will be at some point after the All-Star Game) will see himself locked out of every Schedule A bonus category.

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The goalies are extra fun in this regard because of the Goalie Schedule A bonuses defined in CBA Exhibit 5(1)(c), the categories (i) Minutes Played: 1800 and (iv) Wins: 20 are not limited to Regular Season. If the Club looks like it's going to make it to the playoffs, the goalie can theoretically get 20 Wins and 28 x 60 = 1680 minutes of play in the playoffs, so that's $425.000 of bonus money still reachable at Game 80 mark and $212.500 still after that, until it's mathematically imbossible for the Club to make it to the playoffs. So any Cap reduction will be very limited before that.

The Schedule A bonuses for Forwards and Defenders for G/A/P also are not limited to the Regular Season.

But, the wording for Schedule B bonuses in CBA Exhibit 5 (2)(b)(i) and (ii) is deceiving:

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A forward who finishes among the top ten (10) forwards in the League in goals, assists, points or points per Game (Minimum 42 Regular Season Games played by Player and comparison group) shall receive the following bonus amounts:
Does the bolded bit only concern PperG or also the G/A/P? In the very beginning of Exhibit 5 it is said:

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All bonuses relating to statistical achievement shall be based on the Player's performance in Regular Season Games only.
So, is "top ten (10) forwards in the League" a statistical achievement? Or are the players whose teams make it to playoffs in better position to land on the Schedule B bonus achievements in G/A/P?

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The goalies are extra fun in this regard because of the Goalie Schedule A bonuses defined in CBA Exhibit 5(1)(c), the categories (i) Minutes Played: 1800 and (iv) Wins: 20 are not limited to Regular Season. If the Club looks like it's going to make it to the playoffs, the goalie can theoretically get 20 Wins and 28 x 60 = 1680 minutes of play in the playoffs, so that's $425.000 of bonus money still reachable at Game 80 mark and $212.500 still after that, until it's mathematically imbossible for the Club to make it to the playoffs. So any Cap reduction will be very limited before that.

The Schedule A bonuses for Forwards and Defenders for G/A/P also are not limited to the Regular Season.
They are limited to the Regular Season. The opening paragraph of Exhibit 5 makes that clear. The paragraph precedes both sections 1 "A" Bonuses and 2 "B" Bonuses, so should be read to apply to both of them.
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EXHIBIT 5 PERFORMANCE BONUSES
The following is a list of the only performance bonuses that may be included in a Player's Entry Level SPC. Each bonus is stated in terms of both the category of performance and the minimum level of performance required for such bonus. For certain bonuses, there is a limit on the amount payable for the bonus as set forth below. Bonuses paid under this provision are outside the Entry Level Compensation limits. No other performance bonuses, except games played bonuses, may be included in a Player's Entry Level SPC. Final National Hockey League official statistics shall be utilized in determining whether a Player achieved an Exhibit 5 bonus. No post season challenges to the final statistics will be entertained. All bonuses relating to statistical achievement shall be based on the Player's performance in Regular Season Games only.
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But, the wording for Schedule B bonuses in CBA Exhibit 5 (2)(b)(i) and (ii) is deceiving:



Does the bolded bit only concern PperG or also the G/A/P? In the very beginning of Exhibit 5 it is said:



So, is "top ten (10) forwards in the League" a statistical achievement? Or are the players whose teams make it to playoffs in better position to land on the Schedule B bonus achievements in G/A/P?
Finishing top 10 in g/a/p is a statistical achievement. A goalie winning 20 games is a statistical achievement. Winning a trophy like the Norris or Conn Smythe is not a statistical achievement.

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Oh, rats. I allowed myself be waylaid by the Goalie Schedule A bonus categories that make direct comparison to other goalies in the league as being 'statistical', but, of course, game statistics are game statistics.

So, the goalies' ELC Schedule A bonuses do have the quality that they can start reducing the Team Cap as the 30, 25, 20 games become unattainable towards the Regular Season end; with rookies a tier less than with others because of the All-Rookie Team category. Rookie skaters' A bonuses don't, non-rookies' only up to $212.5k and only when the agreed max is towards the high end. The Schedule B bonus doesn't come imbossible until after the Regular Season end, so they don't factor.

Seems like a stipulation that's more hassle than its worth, unless they suddenly start crossing off singular bonus categories in the ELCs, which they probably won't, because are you gonna tell your B bonus guy that he gets nothing for Hart.

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From Friedman: this coming season, the $$s you can "bury" in minors increases from $925k to $1.05m.

And some teams are taking advantage of 1-way deals for (journeymen) AHL guys.

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