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07-17-2017, 12:11 AM
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Why do Leafs fans insist on ruining threads on this forum?
It's definitely not the Leafs fans who are ruining this thread. ^ Case in point.

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He was never an expected 1st overall pick. Please show me articles from REAL sport watchers that say that he might go 1st overall.
Patrick/Liljegren was the 1/2 on almost every list 2 years out of the draft

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Patrick/Liljegren was the 1/2 on almost every list 2 years out of the draft
Exactly. Fans were talking about tanking for Liljegren

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Liljegren was expected to be the 1st overall pick until about a year ago.
And he was picked 17th. How is this relevant?

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i know this is irrelevant but...

fantasy wise trade...would you do jt miller for vrana and colin white??

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And he was picked 17th. How is this relevant?
He's just making the point that the player with the most hype a year away from the draft doesn't always go 1 or 2 or 3, and in cases like Liljegren, Chychrun, etc. they drop in their draft year as they start getting picked apart

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He's just making the point that the player with the most hype a year away from the draft doesn't always go 1 or 2 or 3, and in cases like Liljegren, Chychrun, etc. they drop in their draft year as they start getting picked apart
Thats fair and all, but the two players (Dahlin and Liljegren) is not comparable. Sure, they are both defenders and swedish, but Dahlin is way ahead of Liljegren already and has a MUCH higher upside than the other. Hes the best D prospect from Sweden of all time. Liljegren wasnt even close to Hedman in his draft year - not hype-wise och skill-wise. You should watch hockey instead of forming your opinions based on TSN biased articles.

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And he was picked 17th. How is this relevant?
It is relevant because Liljegren was in exactly the same situation as Dahlin is now.

Regarded a potential 1st overall pick 12 months prior to the draft. It would help if you actually follow the conversation that lead to my post. That's why the quote-system exists

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He's just making the point that the player with the most hype a year away from the draft doesn't always go 1 or 2 or 3, and in cases like Liljegren, Chychrun, etc. they drop in their draft year as they start getting picked apart
Chychrun and Liljegren are very similar in that regard. Just like Kylington and Clague. Players in similar positions, similar expected draft spots a year or two years prior to the draft and then dropping to the 2nd round

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Chychrun and Liljegren are very similar in that regard. Just like Kylington and Clague. Players in similar positions, similar expected draft spots a year or two years prior to the draft and then dropping to the 2nd round
But they're not similar to Jones, Hedman, Ekblad? So i really don't see the point. Liljegren is not comparable to Dahlin as a prospect, neither is Clauge and Kylington.

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It is relevant because Liljegren was in exactly the same situation as Dahlin is now.

Regarded a potential 1st overall pick 12 months prior to the draft. It would help if you actually follow the conversation that lead to my post. That's why the quote-system exists
So we shouldn't have talked about McDavid or Matthews being a potential first overall pick in 2014,2015?

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But they're not similar to Jones, Hedman, Ekblad? So i really don't see the point. Liljegren is not comparable to Dahlin as a prospect, neither is Clauge and Kylington.
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Read the message I was responding to please. I never said Clague and Kylington are comparable to Dahlin.

Liljegren is, because he was regarded a potential 1st overall pick in 2016, when he was draft eligible in 2017. Dahlin is regarded a potential 1st round pick in 2017, when he is draft eligible in 2018.

It's exactly the same. Liljegren was in the exact same situation last year as Dahlin is this year.

Klague and Kylington were once regarded as potential top-10 picks but both dropped to the 2nd round. They are comparable TO EACH OTHER!!!

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So we shouldn't have talked about McDavid or Matthews being a potential first overall pick in 2014,2015?
And again, you completely miss the point of what I am saying. Please, read the message I was quoting to understand how the conversation started and how it got to this.

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Liljegren was expected to be the 1st overall pick until about a year ago.
2017 was Patrick's draft as far back as 2015. I don't recall anyone pegging Liljegren as the "expected" top pick. He was temporarily considered a challenger, and that was only after a strong U18.

As far as I know, it was Patrick with Liljegren as his top challenger, and that talk quieted in September.

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2017 was Patrick's draft as far back as 2015. I don't recall anyone pegging Liljegren as the "expected" top pick. He was temporarily considered a challenger, and that was only after a strong U18.

As far as I know, it was Patrick with Liljegren as his top challenger, and that talk quieted in September.
I posted a link to Button talking about Liljegren and Patrick both being potential 1st overall picks, last June. Yes, it quieted down in September, but I wasn't talking about September.

Anyway, I am done with this conversation. Liljegren was considered a potential no 1 pick 12 months prior to the draft, same as Dahlin now.

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It is relevant because Liljegren was in exactly the same situation as Dahlin is now.

Regarded a potential 1st overall pick 12 months prior to the draft. It would help if you actually follow the conversation that lead to my post. That's why the quote-system exists
Still not relevant. Dahlin has shown potential and done things in his draft -1 year that Liljegren never has.
But if you want to compare Liljegren to every player that was regarded as a possible 1st pick a year before their draft then go ahead.

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Thats fair and all, but the two players (Dahlin and Liljegren) is not comparable. Sure, they are both defenders and swedish, but Dahlin is way ahead of Liljegren already and has a MUCH higher upside than the other. Hes the best D prospect from Sweden of all time. Liljegren wasnt even close to Hedman in his draft year - not hype-wise och skill-wise. You should watch hockey instead of forming your opinions based on TSN biased articles.

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You're just trying to hype him up because there is an excellent chance that Winnipeg drafts Dahlin next year

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You're just trying to hype him up because there is an excellent chance that Winnipeg drafts Dahlin next year
If he lands at 17 maybe but even that is a long shot. Leafs will draft him again I suppose.

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I posted a link to Button talking about Liljegren and Patrick both being potential 1st overall picks, last June. Yes, it quieted down in September, but I wasn't talking about September.

Anyway, I am done with this conversation. Liljegren was considered a potential no 1 pick 12 months prior to the draft, same as Dahlin now.
Saying someone is "expected" to BE the No. 1 pick and is a candidate to be No. 1 are two different things.

I'm just going off what you wrote.

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Read the message I was responding to please. I never said Clague and Kylington are comparable to Dahlin.

Liljegren is, because he was regarded a potential 1st overall pick in 2016, when he was draft eligible in 2017. Dahlin is regarded a potential 1st round pick in 2017, when he is draft eligible in 2018.

It's exactly the same. Liljegren was in the exact same situation last year as Dahlin is this year.

Klague and Kylington were once regarded as potential top-10 picks but both dropped to the 2nd round. They are comparable TO EACH OTHER!!!



And again, you completely miss the point of what I am saying. Please, read the message I was quoting to understand how the conversation started and how it got to this.
Show me one ranking where Liljegren was ranked number 1 though, They're not comparable prospects. 2017 was Patrick's to lose since 3 years back. This year looks like it's Dahlins to lose. That's a big difference.
A better comparison would be changing Liljegren to Ekblad, because again. They're not similar prospects to begin with. So I'm sorry. I really don't get your point other than Dahlin entering his draft season like Liljegren did last year. Difference is Dahlin is the front runner, Liljegren wasn't.
And again, a better comparison would be to change Liljegrens name to Jones, Hedman or Ekblad since they all had a hype like Dahlin has coming into his draft season. Liljegren never did.

Further, Dahlin isn't in the same position Liljegren was in last year. He's not entering the season on a dumpster fire of a team with mono(hopefully). This time last year Liljegren was preparing to play in the Hlinka, Dahlin isn't on the roster because he's way to good. Do you not see the difference?

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I don't know how you figure that the #1 spot is Dahlin's to lose, considering Svechnikov is considered a similar-level prospect and we literally see it every year that top forwards go over top defensemen whether it makes sense or not.

Do I think Dahlin is the better prospect, yes, but not by much. Unless Svechnikov is disappointing this season it'll be a discussion all year, Dahlin is in no way penciled in for the #1 pick

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