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Request to poll Leaf fans,rank our pool.

View Poll Results: Where does our prospect pool rank?
1-5 11 8.94%
6-10 28 22.76%
11-15 53 43.09%
16-20 27 21.95%
20-25 4 3.25%
26-31 0 0%
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07-16-2017, 07:36 PM
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Request to poll Leaf fans,rank our pool.

I am very curious but what would Leaf fans rate our prospect pool(1-31) and why? I'm not interested in reading more articles saying we are 8th in the NHL. I'm also curious who the teams are who have the best prospect pool. Can the mod. set that one up please?

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07-16-2017, 07:38 PM
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Top 10 almost certainly. 8th may be right, or maybe a little bit low even, but somewhere around there. Not the best anymore, but we still have the brightest future out of pretty much anyone in the NHL considering we had like 8 rookies last year. If you included them in our pool, nobody could hold a candle to the Leafs' pool.

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07-16-2017, 07:42 PM
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Indeed.

I actually have a hard time buying 8th unless '17 was a home run draft. We drained that pool last year. I'm looking for some unbiased opinion. When it becomes fashionable to be a fan(of your team) the rankings suddenly go up. I think our pool is good but nothing like last year.

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07-16-2017, 07:51 PM
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After all the graduations last year the Leafs probably have dropped to around 12-15th.

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07-16-2017, 07:58 PM
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Canes, Lightning (+Sergachev, Foote, amongst others), Philly, Yotes are a few teams off the top of my head who are clearly above us.

Then you have some teams that are above us but probably a tier below the aforementioned like Vancouver.

We're around 8 on the high-end and 17 on the low-end IMO. It's not below league average thanks to hitting on a lot of depth picks. But it's not high-end because we lack true blue-chip prospects. Yotes have Keller and Strome. Those two are superior to any prospects we have right now until proven otherwise.

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07-16-2017, 08:22 PM
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Leafs have Grundstrom, Liljegren, Dermott, and maybe Nielsen. Nielsen is a defensive liability that takes too many penalties. Korshkov is raw at the moment and needs to light up the KHL. The 2017 draft with the exception of the first two picks looks awful.

This is going to draw a riot:

Dallas (Julius Honka, Heiskanen, Guryanov)
VGK (Glass, Suzuki, Brannstrom and so many other steals)
Philly (Defensemen and Hart)
Canucks (Juolevi, Demko, Petterson, Dipietro, Cole Lind)
Jets (Stanley, Kyle Connor, Roslovic)
Habs (Juulsen, McCarron, Mete, Scherbak, Brook)
NYI (ho-sang, dal colle, pulock, mitch vande sompel)
Sens (White, Brown, Chabot)
Panthers (Borgstrom, Tippett, Mascherin)
Boston (JFK, Debrusk, Senyshin, Zboril, Lauzon, Trent Frederic, McAvoy)
Minnesota (Ek, Kunin, Greenway, Kaprisov)
Edmonton (Puljujarvi, Bear, Jones, Yamamoto)
Carolina (Bean, Gauthier, Necas, FLeury)
NJ (Zacha, Hischier, Santini, Mcleod)
Nashville (Fabbro, Kamenov, Girard, Saaros)
Arizona (Keller, Merkley, Kyle Wood, Perlini, Strome)

We're somewhere between 15-20, which is not a bad thing as we are a playoff team. If leafs are to win the cup, they need to draft better in rounds 3-7.

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07-16-2017, 08:55 PM
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Once the big three graduated to the pros, our prospect pool went from top 3 in the league, to the middle of the league for sure. Probably sitting somewhere are 16-18. That being said, we still have some great young talent in the farm and it will be great to see how Kapanen, Dermott, Grundstrom and Liijgren do this year. I see those 4 prospects out of our pool as future Leafs. The rest are all question marks.

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07-16-2017, 09:11 PM
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Early to mid teens.

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Middle of the pack.

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07-16-2017, 09:35 PM
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I would say top 10. Maybe 7 or 8. I'm including Kappy here.

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07-16-2017, 09:54 PM
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14-18 roughly

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07-16-2017, 09:57 PM
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I think we are somewhere in between 8-12, voted 11-15 to be on the safe side.

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07-16-2017, 10:01 PM
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I would put us around 5'ish because of the quality of our quantity. A lot of teams may have a few high-end guys but we have a lot good prospects.

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07-16-2017, 10:09 PM
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In NHL next year?

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Leafs have Grundstrom, Liljegren, Dermott, and maybe Nielsen. Nielsen is a defensive liability that takes too many penalties. Korshkov is raw at the moment and needs to light up the KHL. The 2017 draft with the exception of the first two picks looks awful.

This is going to draw a riot:

Dallas (Julius Honka, Heiskanen, Guryanov)
VGK (Glass, Suzuki, Brannstrom and so many other steals)
Philly (Defensemen and Hart)
Canucks (Juolevi, Demko, Petterson, Dipietro, Cole Lind) +Brock Boeser
Jets (Stanley, Kyle Connor, Roslovic)
Habs (Juulsen, McCarron, Mete, Scherbak, Brook)
NYI (ho-sang, dal colle, pulock, mitch vande sompel)
Sens (White, Brown, Chabot)
Panthers (Borgstrom, Tippett, Mascherin)
Boston (JFK, Debrusk, Senyshin, Zboril, Lauzon, Trent Frederic, McAvoy)
Minnesota (Ek, Kunin, Greenway, Kaprisov)
Edmonton (Puljujarvi, Bear, Jones, Yamamoto)
Carolina (Bean, Gauthier, Necas, FLeury)
NJ (Zacha, Hischier, Santini, Mcleod)
Nashville (Fabbro, Kamenov, Girard, Saaros)
Arizona (Keller, Merkley, Kyle Wood, Perlini, Strome)

We're somewhere between 15-20, which is not a bad thing as we are a playoff team. If leafs are to win the cup, they need to draft better in rounds 3-7.
I can see Kappanen,Dermott,Rychel and maybe Johnson making the team at some pt. next year. We made Marner,Nylander,Reilly all wait a year plus Brown. I doubt Liljegren is on the big team next year at all. Grundstrom may have a long shot by the end of the year. Thanks for the list of the other teams it puts it in perspective. We have depth but not the high end talent of some other teams. I like Vancouver's pool a bit more on potential impact guys(i.e Bosner,Demkos).

I think Greenway,Neilsen,Woll in the 3rd aren't bad prospects if one is patient.


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07-16-2017, 10:18 PM
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We're somewhere between 15-20, which is not a bad thing as we are a playoff team. If leafs are to win the cup, they need to draft better in rounds 3-7.
Of the list posted, we have a similar pool to Nash, Jets, Fla, NYI, give or take. Stanley is already a bust to me. Teams like Ottawa and Edmonton have one legit blue-chip prospect while we have superior depth. Although I wouldn't argue we have a better pool off of the strength of their high-end talent.

Then obviously, you have other teams like say the Ducks who have better top-end talent than us based on pedigree- Larsson, Steel, Montour (especially if we consider Kapanen a prospect still).

Montreal has one of the worst pools in the league and belongs near the bottom of any pool, IMO.

In any case, 11-15 is appropriate in terms of the options posted.

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07-17-2017, 02:40 AM
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Middle of the pack. Kapanen and Liljegren have some decent top line potential, but our strength is our depth. Dermott, Grundstrom, Korshkov, Johnsson, Rasanen, Borgman, Rosen, Woll, Nielsen, Rychel all have a realistic shot at carving out NHL careers. Hell, Dakota Joshua is 6'3 and put up over a PPG in the NCAA this year, and he might not even crack the top 15.

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07-17-2017, 04:41 AM
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Easily top 6 or 7.

Our depth is ridiculously good.

Very few have a top 20 or 30 like ours.

In terms of top 5 prospects, we're between 10th and 15th.

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I voted 6-10, but as others have mentioned, we're probably somewhere in the range of ~8-15. An above-average pool relatively lacking in high-end talent but that is insanely deep. The fact we graduated 8 prospects from our pool last year (incl. all our top 5) and it is a consensus here that we aren't a bottom 1/3 team speaks to that. Few teams would have Rychel, Tima, Brooks, Greenway, etc., in the mid-teens. Maybe, in a pool with merely above average depth, one or two slips to that range. Not all 4.

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Easily top 6 or 7.

Our depth is ridiculously good.

Very few have a top 20 or 30 like ours.

In terms of top 5 prospects, we're between 10th and 15th.
Depth means very little in pools. I'd take 3 excellent prospects over 10 depth prospects. The Leafs pool isn't bad, especially when you consider all the grads at the nhl level but once you take away Liljegren(not including kapanen here) nobody looks like they have the potential to be a 1st line forward/top 2 D/#1 goalie. There's plenty of depth, and that's what we need, but its from easily being in the top 7. More like in the 14-18 range. That's what happens when players graduate. I expect us to be in the bottom 10 in a few years. That happens when you're successful.

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07-17-2017, 06:28 AM
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We don't have any blue chip prospect. Dermott, Kap and Liljegren are still question marks whereas the trio from this year were close to a sure thing they'd be NHLers.

I haven't seen other prospect pools so I can't rank but I can bet they are not too 15.

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Easily top 6 or 7.

Our depth is ridiculously good.

Very few have a top 20 or 30 like ours.

In terms of top 5 prospects, we're between 10th and 15th.
I too think we're deep, but I do think there is a bit of homerism involved... we're deep in B and C prospects.... Most won't make the NHL... so it doesnt' really mean much...

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Low twenties, I think. The pool was very deep until it was drained in an almost unprecedented fashion last year. I can't recall as deep and effective a group of rookies on one team.

But no worries here: most teams would trade the five top prospects from their pool for Auston Matthews.

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Liljegren is our only prospect with potential.

Everyone else is just depth 16-20

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Definitely dropped a lot. Probably middle of the pack.

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07-17-2017, 07:31 AM
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Without much thought, I'd say 11-15.

Closer to 15 than 11 though.

We have zero blue chips, three A prospects in Kapanen, Liljegren, & Dermott, plus about fourteen B prospects. Our depth of "potential" NHL players can't be matched, but our top-end lags behind about 15 teams. I guess that's what happens when you have as many rookies lose their eligibility as we did.

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