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07-14-2017, 12:46 PM
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That's not very Ken Holland at all. Neat.
Yeah. Ken Holland can't never change. Of course he is gonna trade a prospect for next Legwand again!

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Yeah. Ken Holland can't never change. Of course he is gonna trade a prospect for next Legwand again!
Kyle Quincey is still in the league. A first rounder is a small price to pay for proven 35+ point producing minute eating veteran defenseman.

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Yeah. Ken Holland can't never change. Of course he is gonna trade a prospect for next Legwand again!
If you think this minor nuance is indicative of change in Ken Holland's 5+ years behavior, then all the power to you, my man.

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We are in a thread about Holland signing another 30+ player to a multi year deal while he has also offered another winger a half decade long contract at five million per year.

Look at all that change!!!!!!

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07-17-2017, 09:47 AM
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Whether I LIKE the strategy or not, the data suggests that they were near the bottom of the league in all sorts of areas, including the standings. So yes, I can objectively call them a bad team, because going 33-36-13, with only 24 wins in either regulation or overtime, having a goal differential of -37, and lousy possession numbers across the board...

...means they're a bad team.
Enh. When you have a goalie putting up the third worst season in the NHL it's going to have an impact on a lot of the rest of those alleged indicators. Non-Howard goalies had a +3 GAA and a sub .900 save % last year, and they played in 64 games. In March and April, post injury, Howard had a 2.33 and a .916... so it's not like the team was causing the other goalies to suck.

With competent NHL goaltending the wins go up, the record gets better, and the goal differential comes down.

To head off the obvious misinterpretation at the pass, none of that means Detroit was amazing, just that there's plenty there to indicate they're decent as long as the most important position on the ice isn't a nightmare. As long as they don't have extraordinarily bad luck, they'll be in the low 88-93 range next year. With good luck, better. With bad luck, worse.

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07-17-2017, 09:54 AM
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Enh. When you have a goalie putting up the third worst season in the NHL it's going to have an impact on a lot of the rest of those alleged indicators. Non-Howard goalies had a +3 GAA and a sub .900 save % last year, and they played in 64 games. In March and April, post injury, Howard had a 2.33 and a .916... so it's not like the team was causing the other goalies to suck.

With competent NHL goaltending the wins go up, the record gets better, and the goal differential comes down.

To head off the obvious misinterpretation at the pass, none of that means Detroit was amazing, just that there's plenty there to indicate they're decent as long as the most important position on the ice isn't a nightmare. As long as they don't have extraordinarily bad luck, they'll be in the low 88-93 range next year. With good luck, better. With bad luck, worse.
That's not "decent". That just means you're a cap team. Literally the only teams that aren't decent by your metric are teams either deliberately tanking or teams that were also very unlucky work goaltending, injuries, etc.

When you set the bar so very low, no wonder you think you're the voice of reason among us spoiled brats.

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That's not "decent". That just means you're a cap team. Literally the only teams that aren't decent by your metric are teams either deliberately tanking or teams that were also very unlucky work goaltending, injuries, etc.

When you set the bar so very low, no wonder you think you're the voice of reason among us spoiled brats.
That's not far off the truth to be honest. On paper, the Wings were a boring team with no identity that could realistically squeak into the PO and were projected to either do that or miss by a small margin. If that were the bar for decency, then they were expected to be decent ... ish. Personally, I would've still considered them a bad team even if they'd somehow made it, just like they did the year before when goal tending was a strength.

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If you think this minor nuance is indicative of change in Ken Holland's 5+ years behavior, then all the power to you, my man.
My only indicative is what Ken Holland himself said on an radio interview.

Red Wings operating policy changed 18 months ago. They are not gonna sell futures anymore.

It would help if you would have one minute to listen those things, instead of whining about the past.

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My only indicative is what Ken Holland himself said on an radio interview.

Red Wings operating policy changed 18 months ago. They are not gonna sell futures anymore.

It would help if you would have one minute to listen those things, instead of whining about the past.
It's been less than 18 months since we traded down in the first round to move Datsyuk.

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It's been less than 18 months since we traded down in the first round to move Datsyuk.
Less is more.

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It's been less than 18 months since we traded down in the first round to move Datsyuk.
Yeah... we moved down four picks and got a 2nd rounder... who has basically turned himself into one of our best prospects.

We had MORE young assets after the Datsyuk cap-clearing trade than before it.

I know people get their panties in a bunch about missing out on Chychrun and Fabbro, but if the Wings don't make that trade... they probably don't get Filip Hronek. And I want to see what Dennis Cholowski is like when he doesn't look like a middle schooler in a couple years before I jump up and down screaming that we should have taken this guy who is likely a top 4D instead of this other guy who is likely a top 4D.

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