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04-10-2008, 09:28 AM
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Very logical. I think this may be the strongest argument against trading Jokinen at this point.
It's only logical if it's true. Another way of thinking is now is the time to trade Olli while perception of his value is still high, so we don't have to find out next season his decline seems to be permanent and he loses all his value completely.

But it's the conflict between these two opposing views that has me sitting on the fence on this issue still.

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Question anyone that has seen Olli play for Team Finland, any noted difference in terms of emotions and leadership compared to him playing on the Cats?
I think he hasn't been the captain of the team, I think Koivu and Peltonen have been captains.
But Olli has been in almost every World Championship tournament, I think 2001 and 2007 are exceptions.

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It's only logical if it's true. Another way of thinking is now is the time to trade Olli while perception of his value is still high, so we don't have to find out next season his decline seems to be permanent and he loses all his value completely.

But it's the conflict between these two opposing views that has me sitting on the fence on this issue still.
Agreed. IF you think Jokinen is on the downside of his career, this is when you deal him.

I'm not sure there's too many people that feel that way though.

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if we keep Olli, we need to strip the "C" (go with 3As if necessary) and move him to wing.

One of our major issues recently is lack of a 1st line center that can win face-offs.

Olli went 43.1% this past season. That's one of the worst face-off percentages in the entire League. (Kreps was our best center w/53.9%)

If the top line doesn't win the puck in the offensive zone, we're going to get MUCH fewer scoring opportunities. I know Olli likes to play center, but he can't win a face-off to save his life. He plays more like a wing and he and the rest of the team will benefit if we get a REAL center on that top line to play with him.

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04-10-2008, 10:25 AM
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Agreed. IF you think Jokinen is on the downside of his career, this is when you deal him.

I'm not sure there's too many people that feel that way though.
Olli is entering his peak years, and if we dealt him to another team that added him to a talented top line, we would all regret it.

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if we keep Olli, we need to strip the "C" (go with 3As if necessary) and move him to wing.

One of our major issues recently is lack of a 1st line center that can win face-offs.

Olli went 43.1% this past season. That's one of the worst face-off percentages in the entire League. (Kreps was our best center w/53.9%)

If the top line doesn't win the puck in the offensive zone, we're going to get MUCH fewer scoring opportunities. I know Olli likes to play center, but he can't win a face-off to save his life. He plays more like a wing and he and the rest of the team will benefit if we get a REAL center on that top line to play with him.
Olli does stink at FOs, thats why we always see someone else taking the draw on the PP. I think Olli is fine down the middle, just needs to work on FOs. And if you think about where you are coming from, then what do we do? There arent any good centerman on the market, at least ones that are top line talent. Do we bring Matthias up to play the top line with Olli and a UFA winger? And is the Olli line really our top line? The Sunrise Express () has performed as our top line this year, and should continue to do so next season. If we could get similar production from Olli's line, then we would be in much better shape.

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Olli does stink at FOs, thats why we always see someone else taking the draw on the PP. I think Olli is fine down the middle, just needs to work on FOs. And if you think about where you are coming from, then what do we do? There arent any good centerman on the market, at least ones that are top line talent. Do we bring Matthias up to play the top line with Olli and a UFA winger? And is the Olli line really our top line? The Sunrise Express () has performed as our top line this year, and should continue to do so next season. If we could get similar production from Olli's line, then we would be in much better shape.
UFA Centers
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Mats Sundin (TOR)
Josef Vasicek (NYI)
Mike Peca (CBJ)

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UFA Centers
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Mats Sundin (TOR)
Josef Vasicek (NYI)
Mike Peca (CBJ)
I would take a run at Sundin. Heck, Sundin centering a line of Olli and Olesz looks good to me. 30+ goals and a plus player on a bad Toronto team, I would do it. Vasicek and Peca would be another Zednik/Dvorak signing, and thats not what we need.

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04-10-2008, 11:26 AM
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Mats Sundin (TOR)
Josef Vasicek (NYI)
Mike Peca (CBJ)
Just to point out, none of them are UFA until July 1 - a lot can happen between then and now, especially since none of their teams made the playoffs. Plenty of time to negotiate contracts.

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Just to point out, none of them are UFA until July 1 - a lot can happen between then and now, especially since none of their teams made the playoffs. Plenty of time to negotiate contracts.
Agreed, was just countering the "no centers available" argument. At present, they haven't been signed so they are still slated to be UFAs.

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I would take a run at Sundin. Heck, Sundin centering a line of Olli and Olesz looks good to me. 30+ goals and a plus player on a bad Toronto team, I would do it. Vasicek and Peca would be another Zednik/Dvorak signing, and thats not what we need.
Sundin would never sign down here.

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UFA Centers
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Mats Sundin (TOR)
Josef Vasicek (NYI)
Mike Peca (CBJ)
Sundin is old and won't sign here anyways. Peca is old and is weak offensively. Vasicek simply isn't very good.

Matthias can probably put up 30 points and would be alot cheaper.

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Sundin would never sign down here.
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Then it's simple... We need to get Jokinen Face-off training... ASAP!

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