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05-08-2004, 07:43 PM
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in my opinion, by showing how the lightning have more goal scorers just shows me why the flyers are a deeper and more balanced team. all of their lines spread points fairly evenly as opposed to the lightning's top 2.
Except that the Lightning top 2 are SOOO much more productive. What you're essentially saying is that the Flyers offense is better because it isn't as productive. That makes no sense. The Flyers top 2 scoring lines don't cancel out the Bolts top two so that the Flyers 3rd becomes the difference over the Bolts 3rd.

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Timander is -3 and Pitkanen is -2 in game one!! Time to sit one of them and bring in Seidenberg?
Seidenberg is having a good playoff for his AHL club...4 points in 5 games. What do you guys think?

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05-09-2004, 01:51 AM
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People who don't follow the Lightning naturally assume that the Flyers are deeper because they have more high profile players on their team. Before the Montreal series started, how many people can claim they knew who Richards was, despite outscoring every player on the Flyers? A team essentially made up, with a mix of outcasts, a high profile draft pick, journeyed veterans, and an enigmatic goaltender. They're like the team that never was and they are making their legacy NOW. Kill the myths


o, and while we are on the subject of depth, anyone catch who scored 2 of the Lightning goals? Checking line wingers?


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05-09-2004, 07:19 AM
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Flyers fans are in for a big, big surprise - just like the Habs fans. This Tampa Bay team is a team of destiny. In every aspect they match up or better the Flyers team.

But they completely outclass the Flyers in one aspect. They have lady luck on their side. At the beginning of the game the Flyers have a two on nothing break, put the puck in the net but do not score and get a penalty to boot. I don't care how good Flyers fans think their team is, you can't beat the hockey gods and this year they're vacationing in Tampa.

My prediction Tampa wins the Cup forget about this series.

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05-09-2004, 11:51 PM
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Offense wins games. Defense wins championships.

Flyers is a tough team? They have no any north-american defenseman. The skier Malakhov is their toughest guy.
Philly are experiensed? Their goalie is a debutant of the play-offs. Pitkanen's a rookie. Timander couldn't get a spot on the Islanders team last year. (All of them has zero PO experiense). Malakhov has had only one play-off appearance for the last 7 years and he was lucky to have Stevens, Nieder and Daneyko beside. Markov has forgotten what the play-off means in Arizona. Ragnarsson and Johnsson are Swedish chickens.
They're deep? Kapanen played defense when Johnsson was out of the line-up... Yes, that's a sign of depth...
European defense can't win the Cup, it would be against the rooles.

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05-11-2004, 12:49 AM
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[QUOTE=onice]Flyers fans are in for a big, big surprise - just like the Habs fans. This Tampa Bay team is a team of destiny. In every aspect they match up or better the Flyers team.
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Yes, Tampa Bay caught the jubilent Montreal team still celebrating their win against Boston by surprise and quickly took the lead that ultimately led to the series win. However, this will not be the case with Hitch and the boys. They are now well aware of the Midget system that Tampa plays and will be ready to neutralize them.
Tampa won against Montreal although Montreal outplayed them 3 games to 1 because of their ability to capitalize on Montreal hiccups and from that series, it was very easy to see that once Montreal started hitting St. Louis and Lecavalier (esp. game 3), they became afraid to touch the puck and shyied away from the play...and this is after being hit from the light weight Montreal forwards like Koivu and Begin and Juneau.

The biggest thing that Tampa Bay had going for it was the element of surprise in executing their unorthodox system by today's NHL standards. This is gone. The next element in their favour was Khabilulin...and as I've been saying since the playoffs began, Khabby is just a bad bounce away from total collapse. He's always played this way in the past and although anything can happen, there's no reason to believe otherwise now. Next is their ability to execute at high speed. Once again, a small team like Montreal was able to completely neutralize this component of their game by hitting. Philly is no light weight. They are a physical bunch...however, what separates Philly from others is that their forwards are BIG, PHYSICAL, SKILLED and FAST. When a Primeau or Leclair or Roenick, etc hits St. Loius or Vinny, it won't be like Saku hitting them...and Philly WILL catch them to hit them because they are also fast as stated before.

My bet is that Philly will hit Tampa into submission and the Bullin wall will come tumbling down and the Big Bad Flyers will steam roll over the upstart Lightning.

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Before the Montreal series started, how many people can claim they knew who Richards was, despite outscoring every player on the Flyers?
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Me He is from the Maritimes after all(Plus he is one of my favorite players ). And Marty St. Louis was the most popular player here in Saint John when he played for the Flames, and my buddies sister went out with Stillman.

Listen, despite what you think, people DO know who the Lightning are. Just because noone is kissing your feet and pronouncing Stanley Cup champs doesn't mean noone respects you. Is it an inferiority complex with all Lightning fans or something?

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05-11-2004, 07:53 AM
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Offense wins games. Defense wins championships.

Flyers is a tough team? They have no any north-american defenseman. The skier Malakhov is their toughest guy.
Philly are experiensed? Their goalie is a debutant of the play-offs. Pitkanen's a rookie. Timander couldn't get a spot on the Islanders team last year. (All of them has zero PO experiense). Malakhov has had only one play-off appearance for the last 7 years and he was lucky to have Stevens, Nieder and Daneyko beside. Markov has forgotten what the play-off means in Arizona. Ragnarsson and Johnsson are Swedish chickens.
They're deep? Kapanen played defense when Johnsson was out of the line-up... Yes, that's a sign of depth...
European defense can't win the Cup, it would be against the rooles.
I hope that post was sarcastic because our all Euro defense is outplaying their mostly northamerican counterparts.

Ragnarsson and Johnson are swedish chickens...now that's funny. Rags is tougher then any TB dman and Johnson as way more skill then any TB dman...so nice try.

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Flyers fans are in for a big, big surprise - just like the Habs fans. This Tampa Bay team is a team of destiny. In every aspect they match up or better the Flyers team.

But they completely outclass the Flyers in one aspect. They have lady luck on their side. At the beginning of the game the Flyers have a two on nothing break, put the puck in the net but do not score and get a penalty to boot. I don't care how good Flyers fans think their team is, you can't beat the hockey gods and this year they're vacationing in Tampa.

My prediction Tampa wins the Cup forget about this series.
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05-11-2004, 09:58 AM
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People who don't follow the Lightning naturally assume that the Flyers are deeper because they have more high profile players on their team.
That is because Flyers are DEEPER! Much deeper infact, esp at their forward position. Their top 9 are all All-Star calibre. The scariest thing about this is that while a big bruising team like the Boston Bruins can be physically overwhelming, they are only big and strong but slow and not skilled for most part...which is where Montreal was able to exploit and capitalize. Other tough, physical teams are skilled as well like Toronto...but what is scary about the Flyers is that they have the complete skill set. They are BIG, STRONG, PHYSICAL, FAST and SKILLED all at once...and this is very, very hard to defend against.

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Before the Montreal series started, how many people can claim they knew who Richards was?
C'mon are you serious? Before the Montreal series started, how many people can claim that they DIDN'T know Brad Richards? Sheesh!!!


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People who don't follow the Lightning naturally assume that the Flyers are deeper because they have more high profile players on their team. Before the Montreal series started, how many people can claim they knew who Richards was, despite outscoring every player on the Flyers? A team essentially made up, with a mix of outcasts, a high profile draft pick, journeyed veterans, and an enigmatic goaltender. They're like the team that never was and they are making their legacy NOW. Kill the myths


o, and while we are on the subject of depth, anyone catch who scored 2 of the Lightning goals? Checking line wingers?
I would say atleast 75% of the people on these boards knew who Richards was before he ever signed a contract. If anyone didn't know who he was until the Montreal series they are just not hockey fans plain and simple.

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05-11-2004, 02:19 PM
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Yes, Tampa Bay caught the jubilent Montreal team still celebrating their win against Boston by surprise and quickly took the lead that ultimately led to the series win. However, this will not be the case with Hitch and the boys. They are now well aware of the Midget system that Tampa plays and will be ready to neutralize them.
Tampa won against Montreal although Montreal outplayed them 3 games to 1 because of their ability to capitalize on Montreal hiccups and from that series, it was very easy to see that once Montreal started hitting St. Louis and Lecavalier (esp. game 3), they became afraid to touch the puck and shyied away from the play...and this is after being hit from the light weight Montreal forwards like Koivu and Begin and Juneau.
:lol :lol So the only reason Tampa won because Montreal was still celebrating the Boston series and because Tampa is lucky? Montreal outplayed Tampa in 3 of the games?! Thats a bunch of crap. Guess what? Good teams capatilize on mistakes and turn them into goals. Thats what makes them good teams. Its why you cant make mistakes against good teams because it ends up in your net. And even in game 3 after getting hit Lecavalier didnt shy away from the play because he went to the net and tipped in the tying goal. If he was shying away from the play he wouldnt go to the net where you take the most abuse. Habs were outscored 14-5, the Habs didnt outplay them by a longshot in that series.


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alright..seriously. get this back to some semblance of an intelligent discussion, or i'm going to stop politely editing posts and start handing out formal warnings\bans. i have no problem closing game threads 3 days later when they've gone way off topic, but this is the sort of thing i shouldn't have to close. there's no reason we can't discuss this in a calm, reasonable manner..without undermining each other's intelligence and hurling insult-dung. for all of you taking part in the name calling...consider this your warning. if i've edited one of your posts, and you stoop back to the name-calling antics, you will be banned.

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