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04-11-2008, 02:59 PM
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04-11-2008, 03:04 PM
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... this is what you get when you want to change things every couple of seasons... So Martin is fired and now everybody is like omg this isnt good.. hahaha, unbelievable. The funny thing is, tons preach about stability but calling for a coaches head every other season wont bring you stability.
Honestly, I could care less about Martin right now. Whether he stays or goes is of no concern to me, all I want is for some stability in this franchise, I don't care what it takes. Martin has had plenty of opportunities to get this team into the playoffs and it hasn't happened. I realize this guys resume is as good as it gets around the NHL, but that was before the lockout and the "new NHL". Things have changed and he hasn't which is why he has failed to get this team into the playoffs the last 3 years. I have the utmost respect for Jacques Martin, but I want to see the Florida Panthers achieve some success and for that to happen we need a new coach, which is going to happen and if necessary a new GM as well. And yes calling for a coaches head after 3 seasons of playoffless hockey WILL bring you stability eventually. Like I said, Martin has had ample opportunity to make this team competitive and he hasn't. Obviously the injuries are a factor, but none of the top offensive and defensive players on the team were injured and that's who has to bring it night in and night out.

Change is necessary when year after year it's the same story and same excuses. Now its time for the next guy to try and change the direction of this franchise...

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04-11-2008, 03:07 PM
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What's going on?

The Infamous Panthers revolving door is spinning once more...

The "fans" got what they wanted...


Not really, had Martin have been ousted totally we'd still have everyones precious Newy.

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04-11-2008, 03:08 PM
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Not really, had Martin have been ousted totally we'd still have everyones precious Newy.
I don't get why people love him so much as far as being in a management position. He played barely two seasons. I could see if this was Mellanby

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04-11-2008, 03:11 PM
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Why is this such a big deal? Its not like we won anything with Nieuwendyk around, he wasn't in an important position either.

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04-11-2008, 03:16 PM
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Why is this such a big deal? Its not like we won anything with Nieuwendyk around, he wasn't in an important position either.
you're right, but i think some people feel it's more about what his departure represents. most everyone would consider him a great hockey player, good hockey mind (at the least) and a winner. on top of that, he seems like a guy with real integrity. when someone like that resigns and talks about not being happy with the overall direction, there's one conclusion to draw - something's very wrong.

otoh, if you don't like newy or don't really value his opinion or integrity, then, sure, this would mean nothing to you.

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04-11-2008, 03:18 PM
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Not really, had Martin have been ousted totally we'd still have everyones precious Newy.
i think you're dead wrong about that. from all appearances, newy was on board with JM's vision and didn't take very well to the idea of the regime being cut down at the knees.

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04-11-2008, 03:26 PM
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you're right, but i think some people feel it's more about what his departure represents. most everyone would consider him a great hockey player, good hockey mind (at the least) and a winner. on top of that, he seems like a guy with real integrity. when someone like that resigns and talks about not being happy with the overall direction, there's one conclusion to draw - something's very wrong.

otoh, if you don't like newy or don't really value his opinion or integrity, then, sure, this would mean nothing to you.
I have nothing against the guy. Nieuwendyk was a winner and was usually a class act throughout his career, but he did hold out for a better contract in Calgary so there is precedence for Nieuwendyk leaving a situation for less than noble reasons.

I won't lose any sleep over him leaving. He won alot as a player but is an unproven rookie in the front office who didn't accomplish a whole lot while he was here.

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04-11-2008, 03:30 PM
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I have nothing against the guy. Nieuwendyk was a winner and was usually a class act throughout his career, but he did hold out for a better contract in Calgary so there is precedence for Nieuwendyk leaving a situation for less than noble reasons.

I won't lose any sleep over him leaving. He won alot as a player but is an unproven rookie in the front office who didn't accomplish a whole lot while he was here.
again, i'm not losing sleep over what his absence will cost us in the front office but rather what it signifies - this franchise, thanks to cohen, is in a BAD place.

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04-11-2008, 03:32 PM
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He resigned, he wasn't let go.

I don't like this at all. Clearly there is a problem when a guy like that leaves because he doesn't "like or agree with the direction of the organization." Cohen better get this mess figured out and stabilized quickly. I have no clue what's going to happen but something is seriously wrong with what's going on right now and it doesn't look like it's going to get any better. I don't know what else to say, I am pretty pissed off right now because Joe Nieuwendy was a great hockey player who genuinely loved the game and for a guy like him to just walk out, there is definitely something wrong with the organization.

With this happening, I think Martin needs to go completely, I would hate for an entire new staff to come in, but it seems as if that's what its going to take to solve this mess...
I was talking aobut keeping martin as Gm instead of letting him go completely

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04-11-2008, 03:37 PM
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again, i'm not losing sleep over what his absence will cost us in the front office but rather what it signifies - this franchise, thanks to cohen, is in a BAD place.
I agree with everyone you say if you replace Cohen with Jacques,

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04-11-2008, 03:45 PM
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and you're entitled to feel that way, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. on that note, this is now beyond pointless...
Last time I checked JM was the GM and COACH.

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04-11-2008, 03:47 PM
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Martin was given a 47 mill payroll and he chose to spend it on third line stiffs, we still haven't made the playoffs, and he refused to get an enforcer until the owner told him he was tired of seeing the players knocked around for two seasons


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I think this is a slap in the face to all those who wanted Martin gone as coach but remain as GM. Nieuwy saw this as a half-ass move by Cohen, he neither totally backed Martin or totally repudiated him but strived to find a middle ground and this was a situation that called for decisiveness from the Owner. He either should have backed the present course or changed the entire direction.

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as I said earlier, half ass move by a half ass organization

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04-11-2008, 04:03 PM
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Last time I checked JM was the GM and COACH.
Just don't forget that he wasn't originally intended to be both. It was Cohen that offered Martin both positions instead of taking that opportunity to find a replacement for Keenan.

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Like I said, more often than not over the last 30 years, it's worked out pretty well for me.
Gee no need to brag...

BTW, anyone ever tell you, you look a bit like Jay Leno?

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I don't get why people love him so much as far as being in a management position. He played barely two seasons. I could see if this was Mellanby
Because he really did help this team win a number of games, played hard while he was able, and was a class act all around. The team was at its best with him in the lineup the last two seasons...even this season they responded with a brief hot streak after he came to the locker room to motivate them.

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What GR Says About Joe Leaving

Joe says he's not upset with the direction of the Organization as reported by McKenzie but GR says he has heard, NOT FROM JOE, that he was upset with Cohen and Yormark.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/flapa...ther-loss.html

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Joe says he's not upset with the direction of the Organization as reported by McKenzie but GR says he has heard, NOT FROM JOE, that he was upset with Cohen and Yormark.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/flapa...ther-loss.html
Well, I won't brag about validation just yet, Bob, since Joe's comments left open the possibility that he did leave because of JM...but now it seems less likely, eh?

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04-11-2008, 05:15 PM
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Honestly, I could care less about Martin right now. Whether he stays or goes is of no concern to me, all I want is for some stability in this franchise, I don't care what it takes. Martin has had plenty of opportunities to get this team into the playoffs and it hasn't happened. I realize this guys resume is as good as it gets around the NHL, but that was before the lockout and the "new NHL". Things have changed and he hasn't which is why he has failed to get this team into the playoffs the last 3 years. I have the utmost respect for Jacques Martin, but I want to see the Florida Panthers achieve some success and for that to happen we need a new coach, which is going to happen and if necessary a new GM as well. And yes calling for a coaches head after 3 seasons of playoffless hockey WILL bring you stability eventually. Like I said, Martin has had ample opportunity to make this team competitive and he hasn't. Obviously the injuries are a factor, but none of the top offensive and defensive players on the team were injured and that's who has to bring it night in and night out.

Change is necessary when year after year it's the same story and same excuses. Now its time for the next guy to try and change the direction of this franchise...
we've been swapping coaches for more than 5 years... Stability has come hasn't it?
This organization lost Nieuwy today and that is a big blow.. He could have been a big plus in our org but now hes gone. I think getting rid of Jacques caused more problems than it will solve.

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Well, I won't brag about validation just yet, Bob, since Joe's comments left open the possibility that he did leave because of JM...but now it seems less likely, eh?
He certainly could have left because he didn't approve of replacing JM as Coach, could he have not? Undoubtably those less than flattering remarks that Cohen made about JM's coaching at the meeting last night have been repeated behind closed doors in the Panthers Offices and Yormark, after seeing which way the wind was blowing with his Owner, could have agreed with them.

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Well, I won't brag about validation just yet, Bob, since Joe's comments left open the possibility that he did leave because of JM...but now it seems less likely, eh?
yeah, talk about vague comments (or reporting). GR says newy was unhappy with yormark and cohen (understandable) but newy says he "won't comment on the blog that says he's unhappy with JM", which ... well, why bring that up specifically, call attention to it and not deny it? curious. i agree with your initial thoughts on this though - i think newy saw the writing on the wall. no reason to stick around and see the type of mess this is going to turn into after seeing the way cohen has handled things thus far. and after bearing witness to that circus yormark calls a hockey game down there in sunrise, i'm surprised anybody wants to be involved with him.

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I'm glad GR sorted things out a bit. I'm not surprised that Nieuwyndyk's upset with Yormark and Cohen. I've heard from other former players that they weren't happy with them, either. According to one of them, ownership makes them but their game-worns. I mean, seriously? They were hurtin that bad?

Was very glad to hear that Joe didn't leave because of Martin, but I wonder what direction he has an issue with, then.

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Gorten posted a story on the sun-sentinel site. Has a little more comments from Joe

Nieuwendyk won't be back with Florida Panthers

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