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05-11-2004, 12:08 AM
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LA/Montreal Proposal. (another one)

The Theodore proposal, while interesting, is probably too far fetched to come to fruition for a number of reasons. The Kings are pretty dedicated to building up through the draft and I can't see them being particularly interested in dealing assets like the 11th pick and Grebeshkov unless Anshchutz decides to open up the wallet and try and build a contender through signings/salary dumps etc. which isn't going to happen. (and is usually an unsuccessful formula anyway)

A more plausible scenario between the two teams would be LA acquiring Garon. LA will certainly be looking long and hard at the market for young goalies this offseason and I fully anticipate them acquiring a young goaltender. Garon is certainly going to be available (I'm not suggesting Montreal is in any rush to deal him, just that they will certainly entertain offers) and I think a logical deal could be put in place.

My proposal is as follows:

to Los Angelas - Mathieu Garon (G)
to Montreal - Eric Belanger (C), Christobal Huet (G), Conditional Pick

Reasoning for LA:

They need goaltending. Obviously. Garon is still young and shows a lot of promise as a potential #1. Cechmanek will probably be brought back simply because, economically, it makes the most sense. Bringing in a guy on the cusp of being a starter is probably the best thing LA can do right now. Cechmanek has admitted his play wasn't where it needed to be and bringing in a guy like Garon may be the shot in the arm Roman needs to pick up his game. (honestly, he really didn't play anywhere near as bad as his detractors would lead you to believe but he didn't play good enough to lead the injury depleted lineup to the playoffs)

Ideally, Garon comes in and splits time with Roman for the season eventually taking over sole possesion of the starter job in February/March. And, in 2005-2006, Garon is the starter, Cechmanek goes back to the Czech Republic and the Kings bring in a young guy as the backup.

Also, Belanger is expendable for a few reasons. One, the emergence of Esa Pirnes. Pirnes came in and played like a PK specialist for LA and may very well find himself a permanent spot in LA's top 12 simply because of his defensive ability. Pirnes also played surprisingly physical and probably outmatches Belanger in that department. Second, Avery was an absolute stud last year. Anyone who watched a number of Kings games would have seen that Avery is developing into a very good hockey player. Avery has stated his desire to play center and, if Belanger was dealt, he could probably shift over to the center spot. Lastly, Belanger seemed to stagnate a bit in LA last season. He certainly didn't play poorly but he struggled to consistently produce last year. I'm still of the opinion that he can put up a few more points than he has and a change of scenary may untap some of that potential. Huet would be expendable if Garon is brought in.

Reasoning for Montreal:

Logic suggests that Perreault will not be brought back and Juneau has retired. Perreault brought very valuable faceoff skills but was lacking in skating and defensive ability to be a mainstay in Montreal's everyday lineup. Belanger, OTOH, is a very good skater and defensive player. Of course, he also has some offensive ability as well which means he can add a little of bit everything to Montreal's third line. Not to mention, I can see the Canadiens pursuing Ian Laperrierre in the offseason (as much as I'd like LA to resign him) and Lappy and Belanger have great chemistry together. Two good French-Canadian boys who add some ingredients to Montreal's lineup that they may be lacking. Huet is a reliable backup goaltender and fills the void left by Garon.

The conditional pick would be something like a 3rd (a 2nd if I'm feeling generous) if Garon play 60+ games in 04/05, a 4th if he plays 41-59 games, a 5th if he plays 20-40 games, and no pick if he plays less than 20 games.

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I dont think you will get an approval here since a majority of HF Habs poster thought 1st + Isbister + Markannen vs Garon wasn't enough to satisfy.

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I don't see the point of trading a quality backup for another small forward. We have tons of Eric Belanger in our organisation, but only 2 good goalies. Personnally, I'll keep Garon.

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I dont think you will get an approval here since a majority of HF Habs poster thought 1st + Isbister + Markannen vs Garon wasn't enough to satisfy.

You are missing some of the trade to be fair to some hab fans, some of the proposals included Hossa, and it was Philly's first rounder which could be 30 overall. It wasn't all that just for Garon which in that case, I would definitely do.

But as for this trade. Montreal doesn't need more 3rd and 4th liners unless we are adding major sandpaper like Lappy. Plekanec could play the third line next year, so could Dowd. Bulis could be moved back. Its simply not worth trading a potential starting goalie for an average third line centre.

Belanger isn't a bad player, its simply not enough of a need for Montreal and a wise use of an asset like Garon.

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After Garon's performance against LA (which has been the best goalie performance by either one of our goalies this season) I can see where you're coming from

But from a habs standpoint it's got to be no. The downgrade from Huet to Garon ain't worth getting Bélanger. While a valuable player Bélanger ain't nothing special and players like him are dime a dozen. It's yet another case of quantity for quality that just doesn't work IMO. Chemistry between him and a supposed Lappy signing doesn't provide enough incentive either. Especially after Theodore lackluster playoffs. A lot of people in Mtl feel like Mathieu Garon could still become the number one with the habs. He definately has the potential and could be ready as soon as next season. I for one am going to enjoy seeing yet another goalie controversy in Mtl. In fact it's already started. Jacques Demers called Theodore out after game 3 against the bolts. And right now a RDS (TSN french sister) poll shows those results :

Should the habs trade José Théodore ?

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Yes (83%)

No (17%)

Number of participants : 12519


Also at the season's end press conference Gainey went out of his way to praise Garon and say how he had stepped in nicely when the team needed him. And when asked if Theodore was an untouchable he said : "An untouchable ? He's on our team." He also said : "Theodore wasn't perfect but none of us were." That doesn't sound like the biggest vote of confidence from Gainey.

And Gainey is right. Last season Garon proved to be a very competitive back up. He hasn't caused any problems in the dressing room playing behind Theodore and has helped the team bounce back at critical times after average performances from Theodore. At this point our goaltending situation is a strenght and is a requirement for us to make the playoffs. We need both our goalies for yet another season. No offense but if Theodore gets injured or doesn't play well I doubt Huet can cut it.

Right now our number one is Theodore but that could change in the future and I'm not sold on Theodore being the franchise goaltender everyone seems to think he is. Another season should make the goaltending situation in Mtl much clearer. I'd keep both until it's absolutely necessary to make a choice. Altough that could diminish both goalie's value you never seem to get much in return when dealing a goalie anyway.

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There's no reason for the Habs to do this. Garon is good yong and still somewhat cheap. I don't see him going anywhere unless the deal is too good to pass up and I don't see any GM taking that chance.

An idea of what it would take to get Garon. There's a rumor that the rangers wanted Garon for Kovalev but Gainey wouldnt do it. Instead Balej and the 48th pick or so in the draft. So Balej and the 48th type deal would be the starting point, then you would have to convince Gainey that he needs to move Garon which will be tough since we don't have someone to put in his place.

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An idea of what it would take to get Garon. There's a rumor that the rangers wanted Garon for Kovalev but Gainey wouldnt do it. Instead Balej and the 48th pick or so in the draft. So Balej and the 48th type deal would be the starting point, then you would have to convince Gainey that he needs to move Garon which will be tough since we don't have someone to put in his place.
Montreal,

If that what Garon gets. What can we get for Theo?

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NO way garon is our futur 1st goalie !!!!

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Gonna have to come up with more than that for Garon, sorry.

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This trade is bullcrap. We don't even need Belanger. And Huet, hehe, the french goaltender

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Montreal,

If that what Garon gets. What can we get for Theo?
You didn't ask me but I'll answer anyway.

What Montreal said was that a team would have to offer something more than Balej+2nd to get Garon. It does not mean it's what we can get for Garon. And it has no bearing on what we could get for Theodore neither.

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Don't trade Garon in a million years I will die if BG ever did that. He is going to be great, I love his potential. I don't think it's worth trading for anyone unless they are superstars or superstars to be.

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If that what Garon gets. What can we get for Theo?


I don't know, tough to say since imo he didn't have a great playoff, that has to hurt his value, plus he's making 6M, so not many teams can afford to add that to their payroll with losing a good chunk of salary the other way. Plus he's a year away from RFA and has been a problem to sign twice already. I don't think we could get what we need to get back in return for Theodore, but I don't see him being traded. Down the road though? I could see him being moved but for what I couldn't guess.

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No Garon has too much potential to be trade for a stupid french (cristobal huet) this trade is not good.

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No Garon has too much potential to be trade for a stupid french (cristobal huet) this trade is not good.
Stupid french??? Is he stupid because he is from France or stupid because he has a low IQ?

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Stupid french??? Is he stupid because he is from France or stupid because he has a low IQ?
Me 2, i don't undertstand

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