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04-23-2008, 11:43 PM
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just mentioned on TSN sportscentre

Burke is staying in Anaheim

This is a ridiculous Toronto media spectacle.

Toronto Fans and media know Burke by name, but they find no need to consider the fact he's under contract with a successful team and has told everyone as much.

Burke undestandably is using Toronto as leverage for his extension.

Next Toronto target: Holland . Also unavailable and also uninterested in captaining a sinking ship.

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To be 100% honest, they should put a fresh minded guy in the spot. Colin Campbell, or hell, why not Doug Gilmour? Sure, Doug is learning and he has very little experience, but if you want a guy to grow with the team, Doug E is it.
No they should not.

They need someone with experience that will tell MLSE to shove it up their butts when they try to interfere.

Why would you think they need an amateur? JFJ had no experience and look how that turned out.

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04-24-2008, 01:52 AM
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I don't think many Leaf Fans actually thought there was a reasonable chance that Burke would be our next GM.

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04-24-2008, 01:54 AM
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I hear the rumors that the Leafs were willing to pay Burke 5M$/year to become their GM? 5M$? I guess MLSE can easily afford it...

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I hear the rumors that the Leafs were willing to pay Burke 5M$/year to become their GM? 5M$? I guess MLSE can easily afford it...
We make most other NHL teams look poor by comparison.

Money is not, and never will be, an issue.

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We make most other NHL teams look poor by comparison.

Money is not, and never will be, an issue.
Who do you think will be the Leafs next GM?

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04-24-2008, 02:37 AM
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Who do you think will be the Leafs next GM?
I think it'll be Rutherford, and I don't approve.

I want it to be Doug Wilson or David Poile.

I'd tolerate guys like Dave Nonis or Neil Smith.

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04-24-2008, 03:05 AM
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You could argue that he messed the Ducks up this year by not making deadline moves and by signing Bertuzzi.

The Pronger trade fell in his lap. Murray left him with the assets to make the deal. The people in Vancouver don't seem to be big Burke fans after he gave up a bunch of assets for two Swedish guys who look alike.
a bunch of assets? He gave up Brian McCabe.

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I think it'll be Rutherford, and I don't approve.

I want it to be Doug Wilson or David Poile.

I'd tolerate guys like Dave Nonis or Neil Smith.
I honestly think it will be Neil Smith.

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04-24-2008, 03:08 AM
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a bunch of assets? He gave up Brian McCabe.
Bryan McCabe is not a bad player. He was our best defenseman this year.

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04-24-2008, 10:41 AM
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I think it'll be Rutherford, and I don't approve.

I want it to be Doug Wilson or David Poile.

I'd tolerate guys like Dave Nonis or Neil Smith.
It's so great to have you back TU. I'm a bit of a poor man's mirror image of you- I'm a habs fan who spends a lot of time on the Leafs board and really like it. Didn't post too much this season cause the mood was understandably darker than normal, but it's a great board. And the Leafs are fascinating to follow right now (unlike last summer). Literally anything could happen with that team.

What do you think about someone under contract but who could maybe be bought out- Darcy Regier? Does the CBA prevent the Leafs from sweetening the pot somehow (without giving up picks or prospects) for a team like Buffalo or Nashville? (I too think Poile's a good choice.)

Rutherford's also not my first choice, but the guy did build a cup winner.


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I've been hoping for awhile that Burke would become the new GM in Toronto. I like the idea of putting my least favorite GM on my least favorite team.

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They should give Andre Savard a look. He got things in motion when the Habs' cupboard was as bare as the Leafs' is today.
While Andre Savard is a great scout, he lacks some abilities to be a successful GM. He did not handle Montreal's media too well if I recalled. He is too honest! A good guy. However, you have to know blaffing to be a good GM!
"Oh.. we'll go after an impact player" = "We traded our no.1 goalie!"


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I've been hoping for awhile that Burke would become the new GM in Toronto. I like the idea of putting my least favorite GM on my least favorite team.
I'm thinking they'll hire Bob Clarke as a concession.

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04-24-2008, 11:18 AM
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No they should not.

They need someone with experience that will tell MLSE to shove it up their butts when they try to interfere.

Why would you think they need an amateur? JFJ had no experience and look how that turned out.
Ferguson had Assistant GM experience in St. Louis and was well regarded for it. However, he walked into a position he knew he would be taking the fall in. It's a lot like Gen. Petraeus.

If Toronto is honestly pushing for a position of 100% freedom as a GM/President, complete control, there would be GM's jumping for the job. However, you're not seeing it. No-one is lobbying for it. Everyone knows they are still going to be a schmuck.

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04-24-2008, 11:26 AM
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Slightly OT, but you guys may get a kick out of this.

I created myself and a few friends in NHL 08, put us all as AHL level players with decent potential(roughly 73 overall), and put us all on free agency. Then I started a Dynasty. I let other teams sign everyone, and then I signed myself to the Flyers (duh!)(actually, the Phantoms technically). My friend got signed in the game to the Leafs. I told him, and his response was dead on:

"Well, I guess I don't want to win a Cup anytime in my career"

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04-24-2008, 11:35 AM
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The Leafs GM quest is going to be difficult for two main reasons: The first is that Richard Peddie is a boorish ********* who thinks he knows something about Hockey, which means that prime GM candidates are probably (and rightly) worried they would not be given the autonomy required to do the job; Second, the Leafs are in a tough spot, which somewhat reduces the cache of the job to begin with.

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You could argue that he messed the Ducks up this year by not making deadline moves and by signing Bertuzzi.

The Pronger trade fell in his lap. Murray left him with the assets to make the deal. The people in Vancouver don't seem to be big Burke fans after he gave up a bunch of assets for two Swedish guys who look alike.
Ditto on all points.

I'll also add re the Van situation. He mishandled that team atrociously. Had arguably one of the best offensive teams the Canucks have ever seen....and stubbornly refused to get a goalie or coach worth their merit (Crawford was a Cloutier fan-boi).

To top it off...he had a brutal drafting record which is plaguing the Canucks to this day, and will for a while to come. And he refused to improve his scouting staff to rectify the situation....add to all this, his "I'll drive him to the airport" attitude towards players during contract negotiations....and his attempts at having newsguys fired every time he didn't like what they said/wrote (speaks to his character, or lack-there-of), I think his reputation of being a great GM is puzzling and inaccurate.

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Bryan McCabe is not a bad player. He was our best defenseman this year.
...things are that bad in Toronto, huh? Poor fans.

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Ditto on all points.

I'll also add re the Van situation. He mishandled that team atrociously. Had arguably one of the best offensive teams the Canucks have ever seen....and stubbornly refused to get a goalie or coach worth their merit (Crawford was a Cloutier fan-boi).

To top it off...he had a brutal drafting record which is plaguing the Canucks to this day, and will for a while to come. And he refused to improve his scouting staff to rectify the situation....add to all this, his "I'll drive him to the airport" attitude towards players during contract negotiations....and his attempts at having newsguys fired every time he didn't like what they said/wrote (speaks to his character, or lack-there-of), I think his reputation of being a great GM is puzzling and inaccurate.

Bingo. I agree with everything especially with what I've bolded. The money part makes me laugh...They're taking over the Rangers slogan of "All the losing that money can buy".

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I'm thinking they'll hire Bob Clarke as a concession.
actually that is a tough one. Who would I rather see as the GM in Toronto...Burke or Clarke.

Ohhhh....either would suit me just fine!!!!

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actually that is a tough one. Who would I rather see as the GM in Toronto...Burke or Clarke.

Ohhhh....either would suit me just fine!!!!
Add Harry Sinden to make it really interesting.

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Add Harry Sinden to make it really interesting.
......and just to top it off, bring back Harold Ballard from the dead to join the ownership group!!!!!!!

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04-24-2008, 02:22 PM
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I think the main thing here is MLSE will never let a GM just to do there job. I think A GM does not need to be looked over on every move made. Burke has succeeded and Gainey because they have been given that flexibility to succeed. They don't have people looking over there shoulder every 5 minutes.

The leafs had a chance to get Bowman, probably the worst mistake in there franchise existence. Because MLSE is run like a corporation and not a hockey team I think it will struggle until they get that balance.

But who cares because Montreal can continue to laugh at them.

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