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04-23-2008, 06:00 PM
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FT - If Poile can't get anything for Mason (which I'm not sure he can't....a 6th or 7th round pick or a swap of contracts may occur) he has three options:

1) Waivers with re-entry waivers. Someone will claim him at half the cost.
2) Keep him as the starter - I don't see this happening. We burned our bridge with Chris, and it is time to rectify the mistake.
3) Package him, along with a pick, to dump the salary. Is 3 million dollars worth a 3rd or 4th round pick? I would say it is on this team....

As for Zidlicky, you are letting your dislike blind you to his ability. He netted another 43 points this year, and in the four years in the NHL he has put up 53, 49, 30, 43 respectively. The only anomaly is last season, in which he was admittedly, horrendous. I strongly suspect he could net the equivalent of a late first round pick if he agreed to move his NMC (which I think he would). If he refuses to waive his NMC, then you look at Suter or Erat if your set on clearing salary.

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04-23-2008, 06:08 PM
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well word is in Ottawa our Gm has targeted Ellis as a ufa and Weber may get an RFA offer sheet from the Sens.

I guess it will be up to your owner to spend more than the minimum in order to keep them.
No one (including our owner) ever said we'll be spending at the floor this year.

I seriously doubt that Ottawa will offer Weber an offer sheet. They're going to have two new camp hits of 7m and 7.5m for Heatley/Spezza. They're going to have to buyout Emery for several million. Mezerors/Vermette are going to be due significant raises, etc. Plus, they still have to find some secondary scoring! Only significant one coming off the books will be Redden.

Plus, as much as a like Weber, GMs are going to be very hesitant to give up 4 first rounders for him.

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04-23-2008, 06:16 PM
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No one (including our owner) ever said we'll be spending at the floor this year.

I seriously doubt that Ottawa will offer Weber an offer sheet. They're going to have two new camp hits of 7m and 7.5m for Heatley/Spezza. They're going to have to buyout Emery for several million. Mezerors/Vermette are going to be due significant raises, etc. Plus, they still have to find some secondary scoring! Only significant one coming off the books will be Redden.
Redden free's up 6.5 milllion in cap space, Mez will likely be traded as we are hearing. Emery's buy out at /3 costs a whopping 450K per year for 3 years on the cap and Gerber will be traded if we manage to get Ellis or send an offer sheet to Lehtinen in Atlanta.

Vermette will get about 3 million or be traded. (rumor - Vermette for Carter in Philly.)

With the cap going up, dumping a combined 7 million in salary for our 2 goalies and dumping another 6.5 for Redden, Ottawa's cap spot is better than you think. To the point the Sens GM hinted he would go after Brian Campbell in the offseason who would be about 6 million per to get him. Weber offer sheet at 5 million per is quite possible if we don't get campbell.

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04-23-2008, 06:20 PM
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If Jokinen is available, I think we should go HARD after him.

This is the lesson I learned from the playoffs: Arnott, Dumont, Erat, Legwand, even Radulov (at this point) are SECONDARY SCORERS. They are good second line players, and can not be counted on to carry a team offensively, especially when it matters most.

Arnott at 4.5m + Dumount @ $4.5m DOES NOT EQUAL Crosby @ 9 million. In fact, it doesn even equal Datsuk @ $6m or Briere @ 6.5 million.

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04-23-2008, 06:31 PM
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Redden free's up 6.5 milllion in cap space, Mez will likely be traded as we are hearing. Emery's buy out at /3 costs a whopping 450K per year for 3 years on the cap and Gerber will be traded if we manage to get Ellis or send an offer sheet to Lehtinen in Atlanta.

Vermette will get about 3 million or be traded. (rumor - Vermette for Carter in Philly.)

With the cap going up, dumping a combined 7 million in salary for our 2 goalies and dumping another 6.5 for Redden, Ottawa's cap spot is better than you think. To the point the Sens GM hinted he would go after Brian Campbell in the offseason who would be about 6 million per to get him. Weber offer sheet at 5 million per is quite possible if we don't get campbell.
Emery buyout is 2/3 of his 3 million.

Heatley + Spezza raises add another 5 milllion.

Mike Fisher raise = +3 million.

Vermette raise = +2 million. Trade him for Carter and it's going to be more. Mesaros raise, +2m.

No one will trade for Gerber right now.

Ottawa needs secondary scoring more than a 6 million d-man. Not mention, that 6 million dollar dman is going to cost you 4 first rounders.

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04-23-2008, 06:46 PM
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Emery buyout is 2/3 of his 3 million.

Heatley + Spezza raises add another 5 milllion.

Mike Fisher raise = +3 million.

Vermette raise = +2 million. Trade him for Carter and it's going to be more. Mesaros raise, +2m.

No one will trade for Gerber right now.

Ottawa needs secondary scoring more than a 6 million d-man. Not mention, that 6 million dollar dman is going to cost you 4 first rounders.
Actually Emery buyout is 1/3 because he is under 26 years old. Nice loop hole for the Sens.

Fisher could be traded as well if Ottawa manages to grab Avery

Lots and lots of changes in Ottawa this offseason as other than Spezz and Heater all are game for a trade. And even Spezza's name has come up i a rumor for Luongo (i wish)

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04-23-2008, 06:54 PM
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k we don't care about Ottawa's situation

the point is Weber won't be a Sen next year. Poile would match anything. But he'll be signed before July 1st anyway.

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Emery buyout is 2/3 of his 3 million.

Heatley + Spezza raises add another 5 milllion.

Mike Fisher raise = +3 million.

Vermette raise = +2 million. Trade him for Carter and it's going to be more. Mesaros raise, +2m.

No one will trade for Gerber right now.

Ottawa needs secondary scoring more than a 6 million d-man. Not mention, that 6 million dollar dman is going to cost you 4 first rounders.
here is the chart for next year in what it will cost to steal RFA's

858,520 or less None
$858,520 - $1,300,789 3rd round pick
$1,300,789 - $2,601,578 2nd round pick
$2,601,578 - $3,902,365 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,902,365 - $5,203,154 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$5,203,154 - $6,503,947 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$6,503,947 or more Four 1st round picks

5 million offer to Weber Nashville can't afford and stay at cap floor worth a 1st 2nd and 3rd from Ottawa. I will happen - even if it's not Ottawa some team will try to pry him from Nashville this year.

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So why wouldn't the Predators match a 5 million dollar offer? They would probably have to offer 4-4.5 anyways.

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here is the chart for next year in what it will cost to steal RFA's

858,520 or less None
$858,520 - $1,300,789 3rd round pick
$1,300,789 - $2,601,578 2nd round pick
$2,601,578 - $3,902,365 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,902,365 - $5,203,154 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$5,203,154 - $6,503,947 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$6,503,947 or more Four 1st round picks

5 million offer to Weber Nashville can't afford and stay at cap floor worth a 1st 2nd and 3rd from Ottawa. I will happen - even if it's not Ottawa some team will try to pry him from Nashville this year.
May I suggest that you read more of this board and others boards along with some of the local news outlets before you continue to spew bs from your cakehole. It's not that you are being a major troll but to come here and tell us what IS going to happen with the team even though all of the info coming out right now contradicts what you are saying.

It's just annoying.

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here is the chart for next year in what it will cost to steal RFA's

858,520 or less None
$858,520 - $1,300,789 3rd round pick
$1,300,789 - $2,601,578 2nd round pick
$2,601,578 - $3,902,365 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,902,365 - $5,203,154 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$5,203,154 - $6,503,947 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$6,503,947 or more Four 1st round picks

5 million offer to Weber Nashville can't afford and stay at cap floor worth a 1st 2nd and 3rd from Ottawa. I will happen - even if it's not Ottawa some team will try to pry him from Nashville this year.
Just out of curiosity, where did you get this information? As far as I can tell, it hasn't been released, and won't be until the new cap comes out.

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04-23-2008, 10:18 PM
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Just out of curiosity, where did you get this information? As far as I can tell, it hasn't been released, and won't be until the new cap comes out.
Almighty Canadians just "know" these things

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5 million offer to Weber Nashville can't afford and stay at cap floor worth a 1st 2nd and 3rd from Ottawa. I will happen - even if it's not Ottawa some team will try to pry him from Nashville this year.
You seem to just assume a whole heck of a lot.

From everything we have heard for the last 3 months, Weber (+suter/erat) will be signed.

I sure hope that if Preds, ATL, NYR sign all their players (who is to say they can't/won't) that you have some major backup plans.

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Sens Fans are a different breed....

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I'm a sens fan, and i would love Weber on the sens, but it is just not realistic. No chance in hell he moves unless there is a huge overpayment by someone, and it won't be the sens.

A guy I like is Ryan Suter. Not sure what his chances of being signed are, I would think he would be asking for around $3.5million/year. Will Nashville give him that much?

Would Vermette+ Ilja Zubov for Suter be about fair value?

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Also, ignore this sensfan31 fellow, he by no means represents most sens fans. Not to mention the fact that his "rumours" are clearly unsubstantiated.

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I'm a sens fan, and i would love Weber on the sens, but it is just not realistic. No chance in hell he moves unless there is a huge overpayment by someone, and it won't be the sens.

A guy I like is Ryan Suter. Not sure what his chances of being signed are, I would think he would be asking for around $3.5million/year. Will Nashville give him that much?

Would Vermette+ Ilja Zubov for Suter be about fair value?
Now that is reasonable
a 2nd line winger for a 2nd pairing(with 1st pairing potential) Dman Dont know much about Zubov but depending on what he is that could even this potential deal up

thanks for reaffirming my faith in sanity!

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Would a guy like PJ Axellson be of any interest? Good 3rd line PK guy, doesn't make too much. The Bruins would have him available because of the development of guys like Nokelainen and Sobotka... 2 young guys who need to move up from 4th line duty to 3rd line. Mid round pick or mid level prospect or 7th dman type would probably be all it would take.

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Would a guy like PJ Axellson be of any interest? Good 3rd line PK guy, doesn't make too much. The Bruins would have him available because of the development of guys like Nokelainen and Sobotka... 2 young guys who need to move up from 4th line duty to 3rd line. Mid round pick or mid level prospect or 7th dman type would probably be all it would take.
Well, in order, Nashville needs:

1. Top 6 winger, Center is being bouyed by Arnott and Legwand they need a complementary wing to go with Erat, Dumont, and Radulov.

2. Starting goaltender: I personally don't think either Mason or Ellis are the answer. Ellis weight loss issues make him a super sub at best.
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3. Center depth at the minors level: Cal O'Reilly has been a nice surpise but depending on the development of Santorelli this is still a weak spot for the Preds.

4. Wing depth at the minor level: Nashville's achillies heel. Nashville can't draft wings for the life of them. Nashville needs a top line forward prospect not named Radulov.

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Would a guy like PJ Axellson be of any interest? Good 3rd line PK guy, doesn't make too much. Mid round pick or mid level prospect or 7th dman type would probably be all it would take.

we have a whole team full of those types.

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we have a whole team full of those types.
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sens guy...where are you hearing that your GM has targeted Ellis???

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According to The Zone, Erat has signed for 7 years. No other terms were disclosed.

Edit: $31.5 million

http://predators.nhl.com/team/app/?s...ticleid=363213

Erat said management is building a team for the next 7-8 years.

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According to The Zone, Erat has signed for 7 years. No other terms were disclosed.

Edit: $31.5 million

http://predators.nhl.com/team/app/?s...ticleid=363213
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about time you did that

just kidding

Yeah, as I said via PM to you and the other board, the numbers were not what I thought they'd be... plus I honestly don't think he would have signed him for more than 5 years... I thought it would be 3.5 per year for 3, i thought that would have been fair.

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