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04-28-2008, 07:59 AM
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I don't doubt that some teams will find it easy to circumvent it, but if the proposed salary cap for KHL teams is $23.5M for 25 players, including $6.8M for 4 "star players", well... I'm not sure why they would put so many of their salary eggs in his basket? Wouldn't there be somewhat easier targets/more established stars they could lure with a $4M salary who might be more reliable than a young player like AK?

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04-28-2008, 08:15 AM
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But theres many reasons he might not want to go there


1) Little brother
2) RSL teams are a joke(it might change with the new league), they offer big contracts to lure players back, but they are just that, a lure. You don't build a career with a lure. Andrei might win over 10m in the NHL at 30 years old.(7 years of cap growth means franchise players around 15m in 2015) I'm sure his agent know that. He might not be an hab at that point, paying similar income tax.
3) Health reasons, even if you are rich in Russia, the best care is over here. Pretty darn important for an epileptic.

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04-28-2008, 08:22 AM
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Now as Hab fans we'll throw his condition in his face?

Another issue of the RSL, I don't know if its the case with AK Bars but there were published reports of Teams not being able to make good on some contracts...is this prevelent?

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04-28-2008, 08:30 AM
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Now as Hab fans we'll throw his condition in his face?

Another issue of the RSL, I don't know if its the case with AK Bars but there were published reports of Teams not being able to make good on some contracts...is this prevelent?
I don't think it is, but it surely did happen in the past. (Emelin not getting paid a couple of years ago? I do remember that part.)

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04-28-2008, 08:33 AM
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It simply can't happen, he's too good for us to let him go and he has his brother here. God i hate the RSL!
You wouldn't have slept well during the WHA years.

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04-28-2008, 08:38 AM
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But theres many reasons he might not want to go there


1) Little brother
2) RSL teams are a joke(it might change with the new league), they offer big contracts to lure players back, but they are just that, a lure. You don't build a career with a lure. Andrei might win over 10m in the NHL at 30 years old.(7 years of cap growth means franchise players around 15m in 2015) I'm sure his agent know that. He might not be an hab at that point, paying similar income tax.
3) Health reasons, even if you are rich in Russia, the best care is over here. Pretty darn important for an epileptic.
"LOLZ"...?


What kind of reasoning is that...? A "lure" at 4 million a season? By the way, he would have to get paid around 5.5-6 million here to get the same money netto (due to the huge difference in taxes).
Ultimately, hockey is his job. Assuming Gainey offers him 4-4.5 million a season in MTL, a million a year is a pretty big difference.
And what's that about "building a career"...??? Not every player's idea of fame and money and good career is the NHL.

And the health reasons..? Dude, with that kind of money, Russian health care is top notch... It's Russia, not some god-forsaken country in the dark ages...

I'm not saying Andrei will leave, I very much doubt it, but it won't be cos of that ridiculous line of reasoning...

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04-28-2008, 08:47 AM
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"LOLZ"...?


What kind of reasoning is that...? A "lure" at 4 million a season? By the way, he would have to get paid around 5.5-6 million here to get the same money netto (due to the huge difference in taxes).
Ultimately, hockey is his job. Assuming Gainey offers him 4-4.5 million a season in MTL, a million a year is a pretty big difference.
And what's that about "building a career"...??? Not every player's idea of fame and money and good career is the NHL.

And the health reasons..? Dude, with that kind of money, Russian health care is top notch... It's Russia, not some god-forsaken country in the dark ages...

I'm not saying Andrei will leave, I very much doubt it, but it won't be cos of that ridiculous line of reasoning...
2) Let me explain the lure thing, 4m, good payday, it's fine, really. Problem: it's not gonna grow over time like in the NHL(if he stays in the RSL that is) That why, to me, it's a lure. Theres also the Kazan vs Montreal lifestyle issue.

3) Russian health care, thats why he was misdiagnosed when he was 18, with little treatment? Or is it just the way you treat people in Russia? Money wasnt a problem either. (or shouldn't have been.)
It's the first time in his life that hes on a correct treatment and healthy.


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04-28-2008, 08:53 AM
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Don't forget about only 13% tax in Russia.
Well, don't forget the other 15% "tax" to pay the local mafia for "protection"...

I doubt he'll make the move, he knows if he keeps playing like that he'll get a longer, bigger contract in the most prestigious hockey league in the world... and there's that little bro of his also...

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04-28-2008, 09:04 AM
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3) Russian health care, thats why he was misdiagnosed when he was 18, with little treatment? Or is it just the way you treat people in Russia? Money wasnt a problem either. (or shouldn't have been.)
It's the first time in his life that hes on a correct treatment and healthy.
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?...care_is_so_bad

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Well, don't forget the other 15% "tax" to pay the local mafia for "protection"...

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04-28-2008, 09:06 AM
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This is pretty ****ing lame. Thanks Bettman that this is even ****ing possible.

We've always been respectful of the RSL. We haven't smuggled Emelin out of the RSL. We've let him honor his contract. Yet they take Perezhogin and are poised to take the brothers away from us to?

****, I hate Bettman.

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04-28-2008, 09:09 AM
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I don't get your bitterness. He's a free agent...

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3) Russian health care, thats why he was misdiagnosed when he was 18, with little treatment? Or is it just the way you treat people in Russia? Money wasnt a problem either. (or shouldn't have been.)
It's the first time in his life that hes on a correct treatment and healthy.

It is one thing for a young kid with no money to get proper health care, and it is a 100% different thing for a millionaire pro athelete to get proper health care. Geography is not an issue when you have the coin.

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I don't get your bitterness. He's a free agent...
A restricted free agent. We drafted him, we developed him, he's blossoming into a star in this league. You know how much this would cripple the Canadiens to lose two future stars? All because Bettman can't negotiate a proper transfer agreement?

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How much did they offer Markov?

He stayed.

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04-28-2008, 09:17 AM
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This is pretty ****ing lame. Thanks Bettman that this is even ****ing possible.

We've always been respectful of the RSL. We haven't smuggled Emelin out of the RSL. We've let him honor his contract. Yet they take Perezhogin and are poised to take the brothers away from us to?

****, I hate Bettman.
They have let Andrei honour his contract too. He's a free agent this summer no? They are not smuggling Andrei out of the NHL as far as I can tell...

I understand your frustration, but it's a risk you take. Gainey and all the other GM's know these risks when they draft these guys. Let's just hope Andrei decides to stay. I think the biggest arguments for him staying are:
1. Potential for more $, if money is what drives him.
2. Playing in the best league in the world, if competitiveness is what drives him.

I don't buy the "brother" argument. It just means that Sergei will go back to Russia too if Andrei does.

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http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?...care_is_so_bad

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That is the USA. Health Care in canada is among the best in the world.

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A restricted free agent. We drafted him, we developed him, he's blossoming into a star in this league. You know how much this would cripple the Canadiens to lose two future stars? All because Bettman can't negotiate a proper transfer agreement?
To use your Emelin argument, they are developing, and then we're going to grab him when he's ready to take the next step...? It's very similar my friend.

Edit: Same could be said for Fabio Brunstrum, or whatever that guy's name is.

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A restricted free agent. We drafted him, we developed him, he's blossoming into a star in this league. You know how much this would cripple the Canadiens to lose two future stars? All because Bettman can't negotiate a proper transfer agreement?
Well then, maybe the Canadiens should have started negotiations with him rather than drag things out. If Ak Bars makes an offer, then it's because Bob Gainey pulled a Darcy Regier and waited until the last minute to offer a contract.

A transfer agreement isn't the issue here. Kostitsyn is a Free Agent. He's free to go anywhere he wants. If he chooses to go home, then so be it. I remember reading reports that when he first came to North America, he was very homesick. Who knows, maybe Kostitsyn is still homesick........

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This is pretty ****ing lame. Thanks Bettman that this is even ****ing possible.

We've always been respectful of the RSL. We haven't smuggled Emelin out of the RSL. We've let him honor his contract. Yet they take Perezhogin and are poised to take the brothers away from us to?

****, I hate Bettman.
WTK, it's fine to hate Bettman, it's kind of a Canadian bonding experience, but why in this instance ? The RSL wants to become a big time league,evolve into a situation where the NHL isn't the only realistic choice for the best players. Signing fa's is an obvious move. The RSL has no reason to not sign available players.

The guys you mention have expired contracts. While it's a bitter pill to swallow when you've watched the long development period, these guys are free to pursue their careers in the country or league of their choosing. We make good points on why we think they'll stay, but it's their choice.

Now there are some that think that a lot of this talk is smoke and mirrors as the attendance figures and $ situation of most of this league isn't as rosy as being portrayed. Ron Reush spoke extensively about this. I think it depends on the agent to a degree. Is a long term contract as enforceable there as here ?

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He won't go anywhere.
Why would he leave the NHL to play in a second rate RSL? I don't care what anyone says, the RSL is nothing compared to the NHL.
Ovechkin...arguably the best Russian forward, stayed and they offered him millions.

Kosti won't leave.

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This is pretty ****ing lame. Thanks Bettman that this is even ****ing possible.

We've always been respectful of the RSL. We haven't smuggled Emelin out of the RSL. We've let him honor his contract. Yet they take Perezhogin and are poised to take the brothers away from us to?

****, I hate Bettman.
I think you need to relax. What motivation does Andrei have to go play in Russia? I'd hardly say the RSL is "poised" to take them away. Perezhogin was a different situation where he was not guaranteed to play big minutes in Montreal while Andrei is already a top 6 forward and will just continue to get bigger minutes. He's even been double shifted in these playoffs.

I'm not gonna lose any sleep over this and I don't think anyone else should either.

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It's also beside the debate, there is simply no comparison between russia and the US in terms of specialized treatments, because it's not about the treatment infrastructures, it's about the people. Alex Kovalev, for example, went with a complete delegation of canadian cardiac specialists teach doctors in Russia. It's not a critic to Russia, I think you should stop thinking this way, I have a big respect for the people in the country and I think you guys have a wonderful future ahead if you do a couple of things with the extra petroleum money.(Reinvest in education, diversify the economy, work on social problems like alcoholism etc)

But to pretend you have specialists comparable to France and Canada in Russia, at this point in time(to be fair it is coming), is a bit misguided.(There is no lack of talent, just a lack of school infrastructures to have those people in formation for 10-15 years.)


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It is one thing for a young kid with no money to get proper health care, and it is a 100% different thing for a millionaire pro athelete to get proper health care. Geography is not an issue when you have the coin.
The Kostitsyn are a family with some coins, like I said, the best treatment for the money differ widely between Canada-US-Western europe and eastern europe. (Habs doctor)Doctor Mulder is an international-class specialist, you just don't find that kind of skill everywhere in the world.


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The Kostitsyn are a family with some coins, like I said, the best treatment for the money differ widely between Canada-US-Western europe and eastern europe. (Habs doctor)Doctor Mulder is an international-class specialist, you just don't find that kind of skill everywhere in the world.
Where are you getting any of this information? That's what I'd like to know.

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