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04-28-2008, 11:39 AM
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Not too sure if I like breaking up the 3rd line, but I trust Carbo...he's an excellent coach, and I give him a ton more slack then most hab fans. I'm sure if it's not working he'll revert to the old line and Lats will quickly find out why he was in the press box and why he is returning. Carbo has tinkered with lines a lot more in the playoffs than in the season, and I've liked what he's came up with (Bros together, Koivu-Kovalev reunited)

Garbage goals Lats!

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04-28-2008, 11:41 AM
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Why is everyone shocked about this decision? Let's face it, Begin plays well but replacing him with Latendresse won't hurt this line, and it will strengthen the fourth.


Latendresse-Smolinski-Kosto
Edit: Streit-Begin-Lapierre (Apparently Begin is centering the line)

I like it.
Maybe everybody is shocked because without that line, we wouldn't have made it past the 1st round.
We also wouldn't have won the overtime in Game1..
All we know is that line has been clicking since the beginning of the playoffs and they had found their niche.

I really don't understand the move. I hope it works, but i really dont get it. All season long people and Carbo been saying, we can't break the Plek line cuz it was clicking so much.
The Smokes line had become our legitimate 3rd line, and you need that in POs. I don't understand the move but i hope it works.

The only solution i can think off is Carbo wants to balance speed and defensive awareness in his 2 bottom lines.
Lapierre line have been dreadful on D these past games and putting Lats on that line wouldn't have made it better defensively, on top of making it slower. That's the only reason i think Carbo made that change, other than that i can't think of anything.
Especially since we'll be in Philly and they have the last line change.

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04-28-2008, 11:42 AM
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The breaking up of the 3rd line is indeed a weird move, however I remember Latendresse doing well in LA, in ANA and against NJ with Smoke and Kosto. I also think Lapierre on the wing is better than Lapierre at C. The Gagnon piece says Carbo wants more ''balance'' and he trusts Smoke and Kosto to help a young kid. He probably didn't want Lapierre (who is playing shaky hockey recently) playing on a line with another young kid in a hostile building.

I am just glad Dandenault is out more than anything.

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04-28-2008, 11:45 AM
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i expect a big game from lats
if not, he goes back to the pressbox

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04-28-2008, 11:48 AM
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As for Tender I think he is going to have a good game and not shy away from heavy contact.
Tender Willie will get about 52 minutes of solid contact with varnished pinewood.

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04-28-2008, 11:59 AM
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You must be French to play for Carbo, we all know that by now!
Haaaaa...come on....

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04-28-2008, 12:01 PM
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Doesn't matter. Carbs can put back the 3rd line just as fast as he split it. That's an easy in-game adjustment.
Lats has a better set of hands than Begin which would actually be refreshing in this line considering the amount of chances they generate. It's just a matter of matching Begin's intensity and coming from the press box might help.

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04-28-2008, 12:02 PM
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about time... but dandy will be back soon just because experience...

I hope we will see lats on the PP in front of biron... that could fire up our PP
Any teams needs a guy with experience in futility and inept play. Its just common sense. In this series Dandy has given that in spades.

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04-28-2008, 12:15 PM
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FINALLY! hopefully lats can bring some hunger to the game, and new energy, his size and strength should help.

GO HABS GO!

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04-28-2008, 12:42 PM
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You must be French to play for Carbo, we all know that by now! Chip is obviously not as good as Lapierre and Ryder isn't anywhere as good as Latendresse or Dandenault...

Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder if there's not some childlish French thing going on there, as I can't comprehend how a hard working natural goal scorer (and arguably the best natural scorer on the team) doesn't get a chance to play and hopefully add some scoring punch to the PP...And it's not just about Ryder scoring, it's about opening up time and space for other players like Kovy and koivu because rest assured, Ryder is going to be given lots of attention out there on the PP...Honestly, someone help me out here cause I can't see the rationale for this at all...Really, I don't give a damn anymore...why should I when the the coach is more concerned with politics than winning???

I have no problem with Lats playing but Ryder has to be there.

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04-28-2008, 12:43 PM
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...And it's not just about Ryder scoring, it's about opening uo time and space for other players like Kovy and kovu because rest assured Ryder is going to be given lots of attention out there on the PP...
When he gets attention on the PP, he gives the puck away, which is why, along with his scoring drought, he was benched in the first place.

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04-28-2008, 12:50 PM
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anyway, it is just gonna be the starting lineup, if it does not work it will comeback with the original smokes line

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04-28-2008, 12:53 PM
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No Chipchura

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I don't think playing Chips would be wise. When was the last time he played an NHL game? I don't think he can just jump right in and make an impact in the playoffs.

I'm kinda disappointed that Ryder isn't playing. He's one of those guys you can't help liking. Plus, I'll have to hear my dad go on and on about how dumb Carbo is for not "playing the newfie"

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04-28-2008, 12:58 PM
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When he gets attention on the PP, he gives the puck away, which is why, along with his scoring drought, he was benched in the first place.
This is total BS to propagate your own agenda... Anyway, my friend, that was the regular season and as we all know the playoffs are not only a new season it's what it's all about. To the best of my knowledge, he hasn't been given any quality PP minutes in these playoffs yet and when I mean quality, I mean with the players mentioned in my post along with the reasons. Are you trying to tell me that he will do worst than Streit out there on the PP??...Streit has looked awful on the PP with his continous shooting of the puck into the opponents legs....Gimme a break please!

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04-28-2008, 01:08 PM
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It's a good start, but i don't like that they broke off the 3rd line, imo the line-up should be

Higgins-Koivu-Kovalev
A.kost-Plekanec-S.Kost
Bégin-Smokes-Kostopoulos
Latendresse-Chipchura-Lappierre

Markov-Komi
Hammer-Streit
Cube-Georges

Position after position, i think this is the best we got, Chipchura would of been a great asset in pk, leaving plyers liek Koivu and kovalev more time to breathe

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04-28-2008, 01:12 PM
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I would have kept the 3rd line intact as well. Begin-Smolinksi-Kostopoulos has been our most consistent line in the playoffs.

I've wanted Latendresse back in for a couple of games now. Dandenault has been pretty invisible this series. Let's hope Lats shows Carbo why he should have never been sat in the first place.

And man, do I ever wish Ryder didn't suck now.

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04-28-2008, 01:17 PM
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Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder if there's not some childlish French thing going on there, as I can't comprehend how a hard working natural goal scorer (and arguably the best natural scorer on the team) doesn't get a chance to play and hopefully add some scoring punch to the PP...And it's not just about Ryder scoring, it's about opening up time and space for other players like Kovy and koivu because rest assured, Ryder is going to be given lots of attention out there on the PP...Honestly, someone help me out here cause I can't see the rationale for this at all...Really, I don't give a damn anymore...why should I when the the coach is more concerned with politics than winning???

I have no problem with Lats playing but Ryder has to be there.
Exactly, I do not know why Ryder and Lats aren't on the same line with Lapierre? That way they keep the 3rd line intact and also have some scoring and hitting forwards on the Lappy line to play with him...Streit is too small on forward in this series and is looking pretty much a PP specialist at this point.

What Ryder has done to Carbo not to play him over the likes of Dandy a long time ago totally blows my mind, and then Dandy does get pulled and Ryder is still out?

Carbo is keeping him out for selfish reasons only.

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04-28-2008, 01:20 PM
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Exactly, I do not know why Ryder and Lats aren't on the same line with Lapierre? That way they keep the 3rd line intact and also have some scoring and hitting forwards on the Lappy line to play with him...Streit is too small on forward in this series and is looking pretty much a PP specialist at this point.

What Ryder has done to Carbo not to play him over the likes of Dandy a long time ago totally blows my mind, and then Dandy does get pulled and Ryder is still out?

Carbo is keeping him out for selfish reasons only.
Ryder has been the most lazy player in all of the teams combined in these post seasons, he has absolutely no creativity for an offensive player and the Kosty's have outplayed him out of the line-up, that's what happend to Ryder, as for the other spots, well we need more on this team then 15 goal offensive players

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If it doesn't work in the first period I'm sure they will put the line back together for the second.
We'll see. I'm not convinced they'd put a line made of lats-lappy-streit together only to reunite the 3rd line. But, yes they might just split the bench and roll with 3 lines and double shift one of begin/kosto/kovalev, etc.

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Bégin's going to be the answer? No.
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Well Begin is alot more reliable defensivly then Latendress that's for sure. They need to spread the experience a bit.
Plus, Begin brings a physical aspect to the line, which has been missing since Lats' scratching.

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Maybe everybody is shocked because without that line, we wouldn't have made it past the 1st round.
We also wouldn't have won the overtime in Game1..
All we know is that line has been clicking since the beginning of the playoffs and they had found their niche.

I really don't understand the move. I hope it works, but i really dont get it. All season long people and Carbo been saying, we can't break the Plek line cuz it was clicking so much.
The Smokes line had become our legitimate 3rd line, and you need that in POs. I don't understand the move but i hope it works.

The only solution i can think off is Carbo wants to balance speed and defensive awareness in his 2 bottom lines.
Lapierre line have been dreadful on D these past games and putting Lats on that line wouldn't have made it better defensively, on top of making it slower. That's the only reason i think Carbo made that change, other than that i can't think of anything.
Especially since we'll be in Philly and they have the last line change.
Dude, we lost Game 2 and it's the freaking playoffs. If you don't find a solution to fix up your lines, you'll suffer from it, especially since you don't have the last change-up for 2 games in a row.

Playoffs is all about line matching, if it fails, you pay for it.

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04-28-2008, 01:22 PM
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i'd love to see ryder play. there is alot more room this series for our forwards. Ryder may be terrible sometimes, but he has the ability to score 3 goals in a game easily. plus, hopefully he has realized he needs to step it up this playoffs in order to get a decent contract next season. the guy has something to prove, i wish we'd give him a shot

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04-28-2008, 01:23 PM
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IMO it's natural to want to spread the quality players throughout the lineup for away games. You don't want Philly to take advantage of the last change to play Briere or Richards against Lats-Lapierre-Streit. I bet we'll see Begin-Smoke-Kosto reunite for game 5 at home.

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04-28-2008, 01:24 PM
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Ryder has been the most lazy player in all of the teams combined in these post seasons, he has absolutely no creativity for an offensive player and the Kosty's have outplayed him out of the line-up, that's what happend to Ryder, as for the other spots, well we need more on this team then 15 goal offensive players
No one said to pull the Kosty's out! But how can one score on a line with defensive minded players or getting 7-8 minutes with no PP...wake up bud.

He has been on Carbo's ****** list all year for some reason and HASN'T been given a fair shake or opportunity to play or get out of his funk!

He is more valuable than Dandy, Lats and Lappy...thats for sure!

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i'd love to see ryder play. there is alot more room this series for our forwards. Ryder may be terrible sometimes, but he has the ability to score 3 goals in a game easily. plus, hopefully he has realized he needs to step it up this playoffs in order to get a decent contract next season. the guy has something to prove, i wish we'd give him a shot
I'd give him a shot at some point if we fail to win one of the two games in Philly. At least to have him over Smoke on a freaking 5-on-3....


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04-28-2008, 01:31 PM
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Dandy finally being out is good, Lats surely cannot play any worse. Don't like the split of the 3rd line, but Carbo obviously wants some experience/defensive ability with Lats and Laps.

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IMO it's natural to want to spread the quality players throughout the lineup for away games. You don't want Philly to take advantage of the last change to play Briere or Richards against Lats-Lapierre-Streit. I bet we'll see Begin-Smoke-Kosto reunite for game 5 at home.
great post... the road game is an entirely different animal, especially in the playoffs. That's good adjustment from Carbo.

In Game 1 Dowd with Downie and Thorensen outplayed Lapierre with Dandenault and Streit, and although it was a limited match-up in terms of ice-time it ended up costing us a couple of goals. Putting Begin back with Lapierre should balance that match-up.

Also these lines should allow us to roll all 4 lines which is a great luxury in a road game. If the games close, Koivu and Kovalev should have a little more gas in the tank.

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