Like I would be happy with Klein,Koistinen, for Umberger that's fair.
In all fairness Umberger's value is higer than Kleins or Koisty's but he's not worht Suter.
Umberger looks like a solid two way player who wold fit well on anybody's second or third line and can even spot duty on the first line if need be. When I see Umberger play sure he is a pretty good player but he is playing out of his mind right now and I think this is pretty much as good as it gets for him.
Then you look at someone like Carter and you can tell he oozes Offensive potential.
Suter won't get traded for anything less than a legitamate top six forward if e goes. ( I HOPE!!!)
The reason is due to statistics. Look at Phaneufs numbers the past 3 years:
2005-2006: 20 goals, 29 assists, 49 points, +5, 93 PIM, 242 shots, 21.72 minutes TOI in 82 GP
2006-2007: 17 goals, 33 assists, 50 points, +10, 98 PIM, 230 shots, 25.66 minutes in TOI in 79 GP
2007-2008: 17 goals, 43 assists, 60 points, +12, 182 PIM, 263 shots, 26.41 minutes in TOI in 82 GP
Phaneuf is already producing as a top 5 scoring defenseman, and his open ice hitting ability is almost undoubtedly, the best in the league at the defensive position.
Here is Weber's stats:
2005-2006: 2 goals, 8 assists, 10 points, +8, 42 PIM, 46 shots, 17.00 minutes TOI in 28 GP,
2006-2007: 17 goals, 23 assists, 40 points, +13, 60 PIM, 152 shots, 19.38 minutes in TOI, in 79 GP
2007-2008: 6 goals, 14 assists, 20 points, -6, 49 PIM, 152 shots, 19.48 minutes in TOI in 54 GP
In 2005-2006, Shea was called up late. In 2007-2008, he mised 17 games due to a dislocated kneecap, and he missed an additional 11 games due to another leg injury in January. It is interesting to note that in 15 playoff games, Weber has 3 goals and 6 assists, whereas Phaneuf has only 5 goals and 4 assists in 20 playoff games. Still, Dion dominates every measurable category. I think Shea is probably better defensively, and he is on the cusp of being as good offensivley. His injury this year set him back. Unless this is one of those 12 year deals, I think Weber's salary should not eclipse the 6 million dollar mark because the fact of the matter is - he is being used as a no. 3 defenseman, not a no. 1.
that was my initial thought - sullivan's health is a huge question mark.
how would you re-work a deal with suter and kessel? or, is kessel not worth it?
Being a Boston fan that's trying to trade for Suter, I understand Kessel for Suter straight up isn't going to be quite enough from Nashville's point of view. I'd try to sweeten the deal a little bit by adding in your choice of Alberts (Young bruising defensemen that's still improving) or Ference (cap friendly contract, servicable #4-5 defenseman).
Suter for Kessel + (Ference or Alberts)
There's always wiggle room available by expanding the trade, I'm not going to speculate though as I'm not all that familiar with Nashville's needs. An example could be something like replacing the Ference or Alberts part of the trade with a forward from boston that has a slightly higher value than Ference or Alberts, and having Nashville include a late round pick.
I agree that Kessel for Suter isn't enough coming from Boston, but I don't think it's so far off the mark that a trade couldn't be worked out with those two players as the major players in the transaction.