Nope. BG has built a regular season team that has been proven to be much too soft/small for the playoffs. This team is playing really well, if we had size in front of the net we'd be up 3-1.
Guy and Kirk are probably asking what to do with this pile of sissy Mary's BG gave him.
Again, this is a team not built for the playoffs. I could be proven wrong, obviously.. but we barely got by Boston because of the lack of size/grit on this team.
Price stole round one, now the gaping holes are being exposed by another team with more grit/determination.
I'm not giving up, I'll always be a fan..hindsight is 20/20 etc but its no big surprise we are in the position we are in. You can't depend that heavily on your PP and not be exposed in the second season.
Carbs has been excellent... BG has to give him a few more gritty tools to work with.
I agree. we could really use a couple gritty players who can score around the net who can play in our top six. Those pretty tic tac toe goals off the rush from the regular season are rare come playoff time. A huge portion of goals in the playoffs come off screens, deflections and rebounds. these things aren't our strengths and we only play this way in spurts.
not much can be done now, but these playoffs should make our needs crystal clear going forward.
A guy i loved to get is Ryan Malone after seeing him game in game out. He's a beast in front of the net and doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves. he creates alot of goals for his teamates without points to show for it many times.
I still think we have a chance to come back and if we don't let's hope so of our younger players learn from it.
honestly, if he doesn't make at least some adjustments for next game, I think I would be a bit unhappy with him for the first time in a long time. but probably not in the end.
would be appreciated:
Bring back Smokes/Begin/Kosto
End the Kovy/Koivu experiment
Price back in net
Keep Higgins away from the first wave of the PP.
I happen to be extremely satisfied with Carbo. He's young and on a learning curve like most of our players are. He's doing great and little mistakes (if they really are mistakes) will teach him.
We will go farther with this team and this coach than we have in the last 10+ years.
If we lose this round, I'm not going to blame the guy who got us here (top-seeded, might I add).
I hope he wins the Jack Adams.
I happen to be extremely satisfied with Carbo. He's young and on a learning curve like most of our players are. He's doing great and little mistakes (if they really are mistakes) will teach him.
We will go farther with this team and this coach than we have in the last 10+ years.
If we lose this round, I'm not going to blame the guy who got us here (top-seeded, might I add).
I hope he wins the Jack Adams.
what? no, I mean, they couldn't have possibly played much better than they were expected too because the coach did a good job?
I happen to be extremely satisfied with Carbo. He's young and on a learning curve like most of our players are. He's doing great and little mistakes (if they really are mistakes) will teach him.
We will go farther with this team and this coach than we have in the last 10+ years.
If we lose this round, I'm not going to blame the guy who got us here (top-seeded, might I add). I hope he wins the Jack Adams.
Me too! It usually leads to a firing the season after!!!
I'm happy with Carbonneau. The Habs are averaging 35 shots per game over the last 3 games and 2 goals per game. If they don't put the puck in the net they're going to lose. Just put the darned puck in the net.
IMO this was a VERY winnable series. If Gainey is behind that bench, MTL wins this thing in 5 games tops. Carbo is simply outcoaching himself here.
1. Why is the first line that did so well during the year, not together anymore? It made sense to break them up to get Kovy away from Chara but there's no Chara on the Flyers, not even close. At they very least, put them together on the PP ffs.
2. This team has problem scoring goals yet one of the few natural goalscorers on this team is in the PB. While there's no doubt Ryder had a bad season, he still gives you a better chance than many others.
3. Starting Halak today made no sense, for the simple fact that he hasn't played a game since March whatever. Does he honestly give you a better shot at winning than Price? No, that's simply making changes for the sake of change.
4. With less than a minute left today, I see Kosto and Tender on the ice? Why?
IMO this was a VERY winnable series. If Gainey is behind that bench, MTL wins this thing in 5 games tops. Carbo is simply outcoaching himself here.
1. Why is the first line that did so well during the year, not together anymore? It made sense to break them up to get Kovy away from Chara but there's no Chara on the Flyers, not even close. At they very least, put them together on the PP ffs.
2. This team has problem scoring goals yet one of the few natural goalscorers on this team is in the PB. While there's no doubt Ryder had a bad season, he still gives you a better chance than many others.
3. Starting Halak today made no sense, for the simple fact that he hasn't played a game since March whatever. Does he honestly give you a better shot at winning than Price? No, that's simply making changes for the sake of change.
4. With less than a minute left today, I see Kosto and Tender on the ice? Why?
My God where have you been the last couple of months????
It's hard to appreciate a coach's job because we don't see or hear what he does in the room, and most of us can hardly analyse the drills in practice. Is the Jack Adams merely a popularity contest? It would make more sense if the Jack Adams was voted by the NHLPA.
That said, I think Carbonneau has been riding a talented bunch of players for the regular season and doesn't deserve all the credit for the surprising regular season results.
I often find his post-game comments very odd. His comments seemed delusional tonight, although of course it would do no good if he just gave up.
Look, we dont know all that Carbo knows. I'm thinking 2 or 3 payers are playing with injuries and he cant say a thing.
And, with so little info we judge him so harshly?
So wrong.. so wrong.
Stability at the Coaching position is one of the reasons a lot of Free agents never wanted to come over here. We will still be seeing Carbo coaching in 5 years and that stability will pay off in the end.
Or maybe we should fire Carbo and hire the Zamboni driver at the Bell Center?
3. Starting Halak today made no sense, for the simple fact that he hasn't played a game since March whatever. Does he honestly give you a better shot at winning than Price? No, that's simply making changes for the sake of change.
We'll never know how the Habs would have fared with Price in nets tonight. But for the sake of argument, let's say Price would have had a passable or mediocre night, which given his current shaken mental attitude, would certainly have been a possibility (and it happened earlier in the season, this was not Carey's first missteps). The papers would have been filled with "Price is a bust" all summer long, and it would may have damaged Carey's confidence for a very long time.
The Habs didn't need a miracle goalie to win tonight, they needed more offence. They still lost with Halak tonight, but maybe they saved Carey a lot of grief for the summer and next season by removing some pressure and responsability off his back.
We'll never know how the Habs would have fared with Price in nets tonight. But for the sake of argument, let's say Price would have had a passable or mediocre night, which given his current shaken mental attitude, would certainly have been a possibility (and it happened earlier in the season, this was not Carey's first missteps). The papers would have been filled with "Price is a bust" all summer long, and it would may have damaged Carey's confidence for a very long time.
The Habs didn't need a miracle goalie to win tonight, they needed more offence. They still lost with Halak tonight, but maybe they saved Carey a lot of grief for the summer and next season by removing some pressure and responsability off his back.
You should put the blame on Gainey then. He traded Huet so Price would be the undisputed #1. If they made that decision, they have to stick with it.
You should put the blame on Gainey then. He traded Huet so Price would be the undisputed #1. If they made that decision, they have to stick with it.
I don't understand your black and white absolute thinking. Gainey's decision worked well for the better part of two months, doesn't mean he has to confirm Price in goals for every game in the next 10 years.
I don't want to blame no one, all I'm saying is that they could have lost way more than just one playoff game if they had knowingly sent Price to the lions in a shakey self-doubting state, and I believe this was the reasoning behind Carbo's decison this morning.
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IMO this was a VERY winnable series. If Gainey is behind that bench, MTL wins this thing in 5 games tops. Carbo is simply outcoaching himself here.
1. Why is the first line that did so well during the year, not together anymore? It made sense to break them up to get Kovy away from Chara but there's no Chara on the Flyers, not even close. At they very least, put them together on the PP ffs. Very very true. I don't know why Higgins is on the first wave. He wasn't for a good part of the season.
2. This team has problem scoring goals yet one of the few natural goalscorers on this team is in the PB. While there's no doubt Ryder had a bad season, he still gives you a better chance than many others. He's been brutal all year. Too many crappy plays that lead to crappy giveaways. It's too late for him at this point me thinks.He's not going to be great with Streit and Lapierre, and that would be the only place for him anyway.
3. Starting Halak today made no sense, for the simple fact that he hasn't played a game since March whatever. Does he honestly give you a better shot at winning than Price? No, that's simply making changes for the sake of change. I agree, but I won't judge the decision in the end. What I didn't understand is that it was not a winning position for anybody. Halak cannot prove himself, being way, way too cold. If he wins, even barely, he has to come back. If he loses badly, they are 1-3. No sense. But I'm not in the room...
4. With less than a minute left today, I see Kosto and Tender on the ice? Why? Because Kosto is the one who gave us our only win and Latendresse, for all his mistakes, is still the only one with Koivu willing to go, at least sometimes, in front of the net.
IMO this was a VERY winnable series. If Gainey is behind that bench, MTL wins this thing in 5 games tops. Carbo is simply outcoaching himself here.
1. Why is the first line that did so well during the year, not together anymore? It made sense to break them up to get Kovy away from Chara but there's no Chara on the Flyers, not even close. At they very least, put them together on the PP ffs.
He broke them up because they were terrible and so very soft.
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2. This team has problem scoring goals yet one of the few natural goalscorers on this team is in the PB. While there's no doubt Ryder had a bad season, he still gives you a better chance than many others.
Ryder stinks. I like him, I'd put him instead of Streit, but he's been terrible.
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3. Starting Halak today made no sense, for the simple fact that he hasn't played a game since March whatever. Does he honestly give you a better shot at winning than Price? No, that's simply making changes for the sake of change.
Halak wasn't the problem tonight, Price was the last few games though.
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4. With less than a minute left today, I see Kosto and Tender on the ice? Why?
IMO this was a VERY winnable series. If Gainey is behind that bench, MTL wins this thing in 5 games tops. Carbo is simply outcoaching himself here.
1. Why is the first line that did so well during the year, not together anymore? It made sense to break them up to get Kovy away from Chara but there's no Chara on the Flyers, not even close. At they very least, put them together on the PP ffs.
2. This team has problem scoring goals yet one of the few natural goalscorers on this team is in the PB. While there's no doubt Ryder had a bad season, he still gives you a better chance than many others.
3. Starting Halak today made no sense, for the simple fact that he hasn't played a game since March whatever. Does he honestly give you a better shot at winning than Price? No, that's simply making changes for the sake of change.
4. With less than a minute left today, I see Kosto and Tender on the ice? Why?
Is that you CLVMS? Did you make a new account?
No friggin way Carbs has been outcoached. Maybe out*****ed about officiating in the post game press conferences.
