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04-30-2008, 05:55 PM
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I hope this deal will never happen.

I am fine with dealing Umberger plus for Suter.
Sure you are. Predator fans are not.

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in the 'free agent game' i have the following trade offer for suter on the table:

nashville gets: phil kessel, peter schaeffer, and either a 3rd round pick or carl soderberg (i'm trying for soderberg).

boston gets: ryan suter and steve sullivan

would this deal work? is it a fair return?

note: philly has already told me carter won't be traded.

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04-30-2008, 06:47 PM
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That is an absolute fleecing by the Bruins if Sullivan comes back relatively healthy. If Sullivan does not come back, then it is a good trade for Nashville.

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That is an absolute fleecing by the Bruins if Sullivan comes back relatively healthy. If Sullivan does not come back, then it is a good trade for Nashville.
that was my initial thought - sullivan's health is a huge question mark.
how would you re-work a deal with suter and kessel? or, is kessel not worth it?

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04-30-2008, 07:06 PM
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that was my initial thought - sullivan's health is a huge question mark.
how would you re-work a deal with suter and kessel? or, is kessel not worth it?
I don't believe Kessel is worth Suter ... his thought process about the game screams dumbass

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I don't believe Kessel is worth Suter ... his thought process about the game screams dumbass
I agree with this as well.

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I think RJ Umberger is showing in these playoffs why his value is close to a player like suter.

He is a big body, who has finally discovered he can pass this yr (13g37a 50 pts), and is showing in the playoffs that he is one of the best at being in right spot-right time.

EDM paid what for Penner?

Not saying Umberger is = to Suter, but he's close.

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I'm more happy with a Klein for Umberger deal.

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05-01-2008, 09:37 AM
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I'm more happy with a Klein for Umberger deal.
Like I would be happy with Klein,Koistinen, for Umberger that's fair.

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Like I would be happy with Klein,Koistinen, for Umberger that's fair.

In all fairness Umberger's value is higer than Kleins or Koisty's but he's not worht Suter.

Umberger looks like a solid two way player who wold fit well on anybody's second or third line and can even spot duty on the first line if need be. When I see Umberger play sure he is a pretty good player but he is playing out of his mind right now and I think this is pretty much as good as it gets for him.

Then you look at someone like Carter and you can tell he oozes Offensive potential.

Suter won't get traded for anything less than a legitamate top six forward if e goes. ( I HOPE!!!)

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Sure you are. Predator fans are not.
Fair enough. Suter for Carter is a big NO.

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Suter for Upshall

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The Ottawa Senators offer Antoine Vermette straight up for Ryan Suter, we are not exactly overpaying like a Umberger + Carter deal but Vermette is a diamond in the rough

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The Ottawa Senators offer Antoine Vermette straight up for Ryan Suter, we are not exactly overpaying like a Umberger + Carter deal but Vermette is a diamond in the rough
I think I'd much rather have an offer sheet for Suter ... I don't think Vermette is enough quality to net Suter

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You have to wonder if Erat's signing means the end of Suter in Nashville?

Perhaps he will be used by Poile to move up in the upcoming draft?

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You have to wonder if Erat's signing means the end of Suter in Nashville?

Perhaps he will be used by Poile to move up in the upcoming draft?
I think it's a distinct possibility that we won't be able to re-sign both Weber and Suter, at least not with the size of the contracts being awarded to others.

Unfortunately, based on Poile's past moves, I'd say it's more likely that he trades Suter for multiple picks in the later rounds I can only hope I'm wrong.

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How much is Weber looking to make?

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How much is Weber looking to make?
somewhere in the Dion range, I imagine

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somewhere in the Dion range, I imagine
wow...
I would think 4 even 5 but there is only one Dion. Interesting, if he will be signed by Preds.

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If Weber will be signed? I'd bet my paycheck on it.

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I'm worried Suter goes the way of Hartnell.... not real happy playing for Trotz, waits on his payday elsewhere.

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I doubt it is in the Dion range, but it could be anywhere from 3.5 to 5.5.

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I doubt it is in the Dion range, but it could be anywhere from 3.5 to 5.5.
i don't see how it could be under 5.5..

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i don't see how it could be under 5.5..
The reason is due to statistics. Look at Phaneufs numbers the past 3 years:

2005-2006: 20 goals, 29 assists, 49 points, +5, 93 PIM, 242 shots, 21.72 minutes TOI in 82 GP
2006-2007: 17 goals, 33 assists, 50 points, +10, 98 PIM, 230 shots, 25.66 minutes in TOI in 79 GP
2007-2008: 17 goals, 43 assists, 60 points, +12, 182 PIM, 263 shots, 26.41 minutes in TOI in 82 GP

Phaneuf is already producing as a top 5 scoring defenseman, and his open ice hitting ability is almost undoubtedly, the best in the league at the defensive position.

Here is Weber's stats:

2005-2006: 2 goals, 8 assists, 10 points, +8, 42 PIM, 46 shots, 17.00 minutes TOI in 28 GP,
2006-2007: 17 goals, 23 assists, 40 points, +13, 60 PIM, 152 shots, 19.38 minutes in TOI, in 79 GP
2007-2008: 6 goals, 14 assists, 20 points, -6, 49 PIM, 152 shots, 19.48 minutes in TOI in 54 GP

In 2005-2006, Shea was called up late. In 2007-2008, he mised 17 games due to a dislocated kneecap, and he missed an additional 11 games due to another leg injury in January. It is interesting to note that in 15 playoff games, Weber has 3 goals and 6 assists, whereas Phaneuf has only 5 goals and 4 assists in 20 playoff games. Still, Dion dominates every measurable category. I think Shea is probably better defensively, and he is on the cusp of being as good offensivley. His injury this year set him back. Unless this is one of those 12 year deals, I think Weber's salary should not eclipse the 6 million dollar mark because the fact of the matter is - he is being used as a no. 3 defenseman, not a no. 1.

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that was my initial thought - sullivan's health is a huge question mark.
how would you re-work a deal with suter and kessel? or, is kessel not worth it?
Being a Boston fan that's trying to trade for Suter, I understand Kessel for Suter straight up isn't going to be quite enough from Nashville's point of view. I'd try to sweeten the deal a little bit by adding in your choice of Alberts (Young bruising defensemen that's still improving) or Ference (cap friendly contract, servicable #4-5 defenseman).

Suter for Kessel + (Ference or Alberts)

There's always wiggle room available by expanding the trade, I'm not going to speculate though as I'm not all that familiar with Nashville's needs. An example could be something like replacing the Ference or Alberts part of the trade with a forward from boston that has a slightly higher value than Ference or Alberts, and having Nashville include a late round pick.

I agree that Kessel for Suter isn't enough coming from Boston, but I don't think it's so far off the mark that a trade couldn't be worked out with those two players as the major players in the transaction.

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