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05-01-2008, 09:34 AM
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Flyers have more depth - plain and simple

Dont blame the goalies for our problems

Our offence on the PP, and in general has sputtered , but the bottom line is

Their depth players are better than ours

Umberger, Hartnell, Upshall , Kapanen , etc are better than Begin, Lapierre, Smoke , and Kostopolous ( who has given us more than expected ) .

Their role players have more upside , and when needed can finished better than ours .

Our glaring need for a BIG CENTER, is so obvious .

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Dont blame the goalies for our problems

Our offence on the PP, and in general has sputtered , but the bottom line is

Their depth players are better than ours

Umberger, Hartnell, Upshall , Kapanen , etc are better than Begin, Lapierre, Smoke , and Kostopolous ( who has given us more than expected ) .

Their role players have more upside , and when needed can finished better than ours .

Our glaring need for a BIG CENTER, is so obvious .
If Umberger and Hartnell are their depth, who are their top 4 wingers?

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05-01-2008, 09:41 AM
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If Umberger and Hartnell are their depth, who are their top 4 wingers?
Exactly what I though.

Thats like saying the Kost brothers are our depth players. lol

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Montreal has depth and offense as well, only problem is that Carbo isn't willing to use them or dress them in Ryder and Grabovski. People say Carbo isn't being out coached, when it comes to utilizing players and line matching...he is.

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Dont blame the goalies for our problems

Our offence on the PP, and in general has sputtered , but the bottom line is

Their depth players are better than ours

Umberger, Hartnell, Upshall , Kapanen , etc are better than Begin, Lapierre, Smoke , and Kostopolous ( who has given us more than expected ) .

Their role players have more upside , and when needed can finished better than ours .

Our glaring need for a BIG CENTER, is so obvious .

Your points are valid and I believe accurate!


Truth is...Flyers best players are out playing Habs best players.

And, this series (as well as the '07 finals) prove to me that size -- in the "New NHL" does indeed make a difference!

For the Habs to get to the next level they need to get much bigger and much grittier, especially up front, but also on their back-end.

Way too many of the Habs key players are too small or not gritty enough; Pleks,
A. Kostitsy, S. Kostitsyn, Higgins, Bouillion, Streit, etc etc.

And, in terms of size, they can forget about some of the players they have already
drafted like Maxwell, Grabovski and D'Agostini etc! Not nearly big enough and (in some cases) apparently not gritty enough for success in the "New NHL"!

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05-01-2008, 09:58 AM
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So we combine all these threads together.
The Flyers have better:
Luck
Coaching
Special teams
Goaltending
Depth
Grit/toughness

We shoould count ourselves lucky to have ever scored even one goal.

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05-01-2008, 10:00 AM
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... the bottom line is

Their depth players are better than ours

Umberger, Hartnell...

Our glaring need for a BIG CENTER, is so obvious .
What a ridiculous post. Harnell's a top line player, and are you suggesting the habs need a BIG CENTER who's a depth player? So Radek Bonk (-30 something this year on a playoff team) is what the Habs need. How about deciding what the heck you mean by depth player before arguing lack of depth is the problem.

Anyway, this argument just doesn't fit the reality of the games so far. Aside from Biron and a few standouts (ie Richards, Upshall, Umberger, Timmonen and Coburn) the majority of the Flyers are playing like garbage. Biron won games 2,3 and 4 pretty much by himself. Almost all the scoring has come from a couple of players.

That is the opposite of depth.

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Anyway, this argument just doesn't fit the reality of the games so far. Aside from Biron and a few standouts (ie Richards, Upshall, Umberger, Timmonen and Coburn) the majority of the Flyers are playing like garbage. Biron won games 2,3 and 4 pretty much by himself. Almost all the scoring has come from a couple of players.
And Briere. And Hatcher. And Downie.

So, only their top defensive pairing and both their top lines and goaltender are having a good series. That's all.

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If Umberger and Hartnell are their depth, who are their top 4 wingers?
Well you figure:

Prospal - Hartnell
Lupul - Knuble
Upshall - Umberger
Thoresen - Kapanen

I'd say 3 of the 4 that geeman named can be considered depth wingers.

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Your points are valid and I believe accurate!


Truth is...Flyers best players are out playing Habs best players.

And, this series (as well as the '07 finals) prove to me that size -- in the "New NHL" does indeed make a difference!

For the Habs to get to the next level they need to get much bigger and much grittier, especially up front, but also on their back-end.

Way too many of the Habs key players are too small or not gritty enough; Pleks,
A. Kostitsy, S. Kostitsyn, Higgins, Bouillion, Streit, etc etc.

And, in terms of size, they can forget about some of the players they have already
drafted like Maxwell, Grabovski and D'Agostini etc! Not nearly big enough and (in some cases) apparently not gritty enough for success in the "New NHL"!
If you had watch the last games, you wouldn't say that the Flyers outplayed us.

It's been 4 years since the lockout, you can't talk about new NHL.

Of course, Komisarek, O'byrne and Hamrlik are all small weak dwarfs...

If you knew what grit means, you wouldn't have included Sergei, Bouillon or even Higgins in your post.

I don't know why I answered this post since you're clearly a bitter fan who's only trying to stir ****.

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If Umberger and Hartnell are their depth, who are their top 4 wingers?
Briere, Knuble , Gagne ( injured ) , Richards, Carter

I think this shoule expalin your reply

Umberger and Hartnell are not top 4 wingers , or forwards for that matter.

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you're on dope, man

to say that right now philly plays better than montreal is a thing (which they dont).
philly sure does have some depth, but, hey, montreal is all about depth. don't get thing mixed up


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They don't have more depth but they have more sandpaper and players willing to pay the price than us and that counts in the playoffs.

We are a carbon copy of the 05-07 Sabres. Fast , young and talented but ultimately missing a few elements to win it all.

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Truth is...Flyers best players are out playing Habs best players.
What?
The Habs have severly out played the Flyers in the last 2 games. The puck isn't going in because of a hot goalie and lack of luck. It could've been 5-0 after the first period last night. outplayed? come on!

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In the playoffs, you need those gritty snipers who doesn't fear to pay the price to score the ugly goal. That strange concept was once again proven yesterday when our 2 goals were scored while being in front of the net...

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What?
The Habs have severly out played the Flyers in the last 2 games. The puck isn't going in because of a hot goalie and lack of luck. It could've been 5-0 after the first period last night. outplayed? come on!
I know what you're saying but I really really wish that Carbo and Co won't use what you just said in his end of the year press conference....'Cause if he is, be ready to see Lapierre, Streit and Dandenault on the 3rd line next year 'cause it's not that we're not great, we're just not lucky but with the same lineup next year, luck will be on our side....

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I know what you're saying but I really really wish that Carbo and Co won't use what you just said in his end of the year press conference....'Cause if he is, be ready to see Lapierre, Streit and Dandenault on the 3rd line next year 'cause it's not that we're not great, we're just not lucky but with the same lineup next year, luck will be on our side....
how about next game?

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i don't think they have actually. they just happen to be burying their few chances, a thing the Habs have done so many times to others in the regular season, and the Flyers are now doing to them.

more depht, more grit, bette goaltending, better coaching, whatever. it doesn't matter. they are going for blood and the Habs aren't.

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more depht, more grit, bette goaltending, better coaching, whatever. it doesn't matter. they are going for blood and the Habs aren't.
It does matter

See : Ottawa - Anaheim 07 SCF or the Buffalo Sabres of 2005-2007 as a good exemple.

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how about next game?
Pretty tough to hold an end of the year press conference when the year is not over...

Anyway for any game this year, next year and the year after the luck factor is used when you have no other options. Go and make your own luck. Who cares that we touched the post 50 times, who was in front of the net to score after that rebound?

Shooting in the goalie's crest ain't about luck. It's about the sniper mentality we seem to lack or are too scared to be hit and hurry our moves...

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I don't know if those theories about grit and all matter. Could you say that the Penguins have gritty players? I'd say they look like the habs in many regards, with more offensive punch.

They haven't lost a single game so far.

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Dont blame the goalies for our problems

Our offence on the PP, and in general has sputtered , but the bottom line is

Their depth players are better than ours

Umberger, Hartnell, Upshall , Kapanen , etc are better than Begin, Lapierre, Smoke , and Kostopolous ( who has given us more than expected ) .

Their role players have more upside , and when needed can finished better than ours .

Our glaring need for a BIG CENTER, is so obvious .
They don't have more depth!! We dominated the last three games and Biron is stopping everything! And Price wasn't so good in game 2 and 3. That's the reason!

Luck is on the Flyers' side for now. That's another reason.

And like others said, Umberger and Hartnell are not depth players!!!!

Just continue to believe...

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Dont blame the goalies for our problems

Our offence on the PP, and in general has sputtered , but the bottom line is

Their depth players are better than ours

Umberger, Hartnell, Upshall , Kapanen , etc are better than Begin, Lapierre, Smoke , and Kostopolous ( who has given us more than expected ) .

Their role players have more upside , and when needed can finished better than ours .

Our glaring need for a BIG CENTER, is so obvious .
I disagree on the depth issue. On the centre issue, Koivu has been the series best most courageous and most effective player not sure why that position is being centred out.

Montreal is winning in every part of the rink except in front of the net. Gainey and Carbonneau need to take the Lions of Winter to the Land of Oz and get them some courage.

Letting the goalie see the puck and doing flamingo impressions is making Biron look spectacular.

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There is one thing that is missing, and size is not it: Killer instinct. The ability to smell blood in the water and pounce with two or three goals.

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And Briere. And Hatcher. And Downie.

So, only their top defensive pairing and both their top lines and goaltender are having a good series. That's all.

I can't really say they're having a good series, since if the whole team's playing so well how come Biron has to stand on his head.

But even so, my point is that it's not the Flyers superior DEPTH which is helping them win, it's their best players (note thread title and OP). You seem to agree.

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