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05-03-2008, 09:03 PM
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What the Habs lacked to win :

- Grit/Sandpaper
- Size
- Consistent Goaltending
- A sharp Markov

I don't think leadership was an issue at all. If anything guys like Higgins and Komisarek will become better leaders after this.

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05-03-2008, 09:04 PM
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05-03-2008, 09:05 PM
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They had to. Winning with Price was our only chance of winning the cup. A win by Halak and Price still has no confidence. And Halak won't win us a cup (not right now at least).
Halak would have won us this game

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What the Habs lacked to win :

- Grit/Sandpaper
- Size
- Consistent Goaltending
- A sharp Markov

I don't think leadership was an issue at all. If anything guys like Higgins and Komisarek will become better leaders after this.
Ive almost lost faith him him.....

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what we lacked was gods will....thats what decided this series...not effort or lack there of...but just dumb luck

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05-03-2008, 09:06 PM
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The lack of size is being overplayed. It was more than overcome by our superior puck-handling and passing, as evidenced by the shot counts. This series was decided by a combination of two things:

60% bad breaks
40% shaky goaltending

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To me, it was a mix of bad luck and a shaky goalie. No need to start arguing with me, that's simply what I think. I think Price had way too much pressure in the end.
Agreed.

I think the 3rd period of this game basically summed up the entire series.

You look at the goal Kostitsyn scores, a wrist shot (all be it a beauty through traffic) and everyone says what a great shot. Imagine if that was reversed and it was Price giving up that goal, everyone would be going crazy. Too much pressure on him.

And then you look at them empty net goal, the series in a nutshell. Higgins makes a great play to save a the empty net goal and the puck bounces right off the boards onto Knuble's stick. Goal. They got all the bounces this time around, but that's part of the learning process for a young team.

Just wait 'till next year, they will be ready come playoff time!

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05-03-2008, 09:07 PM
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everything but leadership
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05-03-2008, 09:08 PM
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We lacked health.

Markov and Komisarek were not half of themselves.
We missed Koivu and Bouillon for almost the whole first round.

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In some ways i agree.

If leadership simply came down to Koivu and Kostopoulos, then yes Montreals leadership was great.

Higgins and Komisarek both were quite disappointing as was Kovalev at times. The Long Island boys failed to step up at all however Komisarek looked like the hip wasn't near full strength as he seemed to have zero lift in his hits.

Kovalev, was good, great, and invisible at times.

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05-03-2008, 09:09 PM
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The lack of size is being overplayed. It was more than overcome by our superior puck-handling and passing, as evidenced by the shot counts. This series was decided by a combination of two things:

20%
bad breaks
80% shaky goaltending
Fixed it for you

Luck doesn't win you playoff series, goaltending does

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05-03-2008, 09:11 PM
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In some ways i agree.

If leadership simply came down to Koivu and Kostopoulos, then yes Montreals leadership was great.

Higgins and Komisarek both were quite disappointing as was Kovalev at times. The Long Island boys failed to step up at all however Komisarek looked like the hip wasn't near full strength as he seemed to have zero lift in his hits.

Kovalev, was good, great, and invisible at times.
If you to watch this series over you would notice Philly never gave Komisarek the chance to kill them...........Good coaching.

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05-03-2008, 09:12 PM
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The Powerplay, the goaltending, and the bounces.

When Philadelphia is getting goals going in off shoulders, goals going off posts and in while the Habs just had posts, and Biron playing the best hockey of his career and RJ f-ing Umberger scoring eight goals in five games, including that highlight reel in the first period... well... what can ya do.

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05-03-2008, 09:13 PM
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Goaltending.

And it's really not to bash a 20 yo goalie, but to say that we dominated all five games. You can't blame the team who did the best they could.
We dominated the shots on net, we didn't dominate the boards, we didn't capitalize on our opportunities and go to the net and screen the goalie like Philly did.

We didn't out play them, we were out muscled in our end...Markov was soft, Kommy wasn't himself and Hammer looked tired.

Philly was the better all around team, deal with it.

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it wasn't one thing. it varied from game to game - as it usually does with a TEAM. we lacked sand paper, some grit - certainly on our scoring lines where guys weren't going into the danger zones and traffic to score.

we lacked timely goaltending.

we lacked on special teams, when we didn't get timely Penalty kills and timely goals on the PP.

we lacked size down the middle at center - which relates to point one.

we lacked discipline as noted by begin's penalty

but most of all i believe we lacked experience. this is and was a young and nervous team. you can't expect kovy and saku to carry an entire team. kovy was double teamed all series.

ps...judging from tonight we seemed to lack a cohesive defensive system. we had many many d-zone breakdowns..the kos jr give away on the breakaway to briere, the upshall tip in left ALL alone with 3 mins left in the game..

lack of experience and d-zone breakdowns over and over again

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Fixed it for you

Luck doesn't win you playoff series, goaltending does
I respectfully disagree. I know the Canadian media doesn't like to acknowledge that hockey can be a sport of bounces, but it can be and we didn't get them. I still think the Habs should have overcome them, but they didn't and that's that.

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If you to watch this series over you would notice Philly never gave Komisarek the chance to kill them...........Good coaching.
Komi was even like that much of the Boston series. You could see simply by the fact he was having trouble containing guys along the boards.

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05-03-2008, 09:15 PM
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Halak would have won us this game
Is that the same quote you put in every thread? How idiotic!

Halak or Huet wouldn't have stopped two deflected pucks of a shoulder and stick either...your placing blame on a kid that kept us in on a Briere break away and not talking about the turn over because of the last goal.

Shake your head, kiss your mom godd night and go to bed.

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05-03-2008, 09:19 PM
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Is that the same quote you put in every thread? How idiotic!

Halak or Huet wouldn't have stopped two deflected pucks of a shoulder and stick either...your placing blame on a kid that kept us in on a Briere break away and not talking about the turn over because of the last goal.

Shake your head, kiss your mom godd night and go to bed.
Frankly who the f knows. Maybe he does win it. Maybe he lets in a softy like he did in Philly.

I hate the second guessing now. I think you are in the same boat.

Most poster first off had no problem with the Huet trade originally. Most thought he wasn't clutch anyhow.

i may have to take a break from the habs board until the playoffs are over.

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Komi was even like that much of the Boston series. You could see simply by the fact he was having trouble containing guys along the boards.
I do believe Komisarek wasn't to his fill level. I think he may have done too much during the year and his late season injury made it hard for him to recuperate. He definitely needs help in the hitting department. If he was full health we all know most opponents end up on the rears when he pounds him into the boards and too many times in both series he would hit players and they got past him. This just didn't happen during the season.

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I respectfully disagree. I know the Canadian media doesn't like to acknowledge that hockey can be a sport of bounces, but it can be and we didn't get them. I still think the Habs should have overcome them, but they didn't and that's that.
It is, but when a 7-game series is decided by them only happens when getting one or two lucky breaks turns the series around on its head.

Not getting the "breaks" on a consistent basis during 5 games is not a matter luck. It means you're not playing that well.

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I do believe Komisarek wasn't to his fill level. I think he may have done too much during the year and his late season injury made it hard for him to recuperate. He definitely needs help in the hitting department. If he was full health we all know most opponents end up on the rears when he pounds him into the boards and too many times in both series he would hit players and they got past him. This just didn't happen during the season.
Thats exactly what i saw. He smothered and dominated people during the regular season and he was unable to do that in either series. Its not really an excuse just very apparent by how easily the opposition was getting around him.

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