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05-03-2008, 11:25 PM
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Jason Arnott ftw!
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He's available??? Thats our guy!!
He's signed for 3 more years... He's the guy we need in the middle... Unfortunately, I don't think Nashville will even consider trading him...

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05-03-2008, 11:29 PM
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Hate to bring this up but no Europeans please. Get a good North American boy on this team for the top two lines. A guy like Rolston, or even Avery.

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Montreal has enough money tied up in defensemen... I think Campbell would be overkill. That and I'm not sold on his defensive ability.
I like the idea of building from the defense but I understand what you're saying. Campbell would not be brought in for his defensive abilities - he'd be an offensive D, PP specialist, and I like the idea of further shoring up the Habs transition game. Getting the puck to the offense was key to the Habs successes this year IMO.

I was one of those that thought 1 more D would be really helpful. But maybe a defensive defenseman with good a transition ability would be better for us.

Anyway, I'm just throwing things out there. I haven't thought them through especially with respect to the salary cap.

There will be plenty of time for that in a few months.

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05-03-2008, 11:33 PM
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A lot of guys seem to think we are on a slim UFA year this summer.

Of course, there are less star UFAs available this year, but there are a lot of qualities UFAs.

Besides Hossa, there is :

Malone, Rolston, Demitra, Satan, Naslund, Morrison, Straka, Stillman, Prospal, Kelly, Recchi, Jagr, Fedorov, Sundin, Fedotenko, Brunette, Langkow, Huselius, Vrbata, Weight, Jason Williams, Peca, Conroy, Holik, Vasicek, Shanahan, Hagman, Cooke, Nagy, Gélinas, Miettinen, Donovan,

Campbell, Roszival, Foote, Redden, Liles, Hainsey, Blake, Stuart, Norstrom, Ward, Kalinin, Smith, Commodore.

All these UFAs, in my opinion, deserve some consideration from a Habs point of view.

My logical choices would be Hossa, Rolston or Naslund...

I would also make a pitch for either Campbell, Liles, Roszival, Redden, Hainsey, Foote or Norstrom.


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05-03-2008, 11:34 PM
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I'm guessing Gainey really wants to gear up the team for the centennial season.

It wouldn't suprise me at all if he makes a big play for UFA's or upgrading via trade.

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05-03-2008, 11:37 PM
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No impact UFAs that really interest me to be honest.... maybe a checking centre would be nice.... but there is nothing that really screams at me to want to spend a lot of money.... I'd rathere make sure we get all our RFAs locked up.

Maybe get a second tier defenceman too....

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05-03-2008, 11:40 PM
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I'm guessing Gainey really wants to gear up the team for the centennial season.

It wouldn't suprise me at all if he makes a big play for UFA's or upgrading via trade.
The highest impact possibilities would definitely be through trades. Habs probably have a few youngsters they may be willing to move as trade bait as well.

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05-03-2008, 11:47 PM
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Give me Langkow, Holik or Rolston at centre.

Malone or Naslund on the wing.

Campbell, Foot or Norstrom on defense.

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05-04-2008, 12:01 AM
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How about Ryan Malone? I think that he would be a great addition to our top 6 who could add some much needed sandpaper while able to score some goals (27 goals in 77 games this year).

also brings nice size: 6-4/224
So your Ryan Malone and you have a choice of resigning with Pittsburg, New York Rangers or Montreal. Which team do you choose? Montreal takes the bronze again.

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05-04-2008, 12:11 AM
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A bit early, but we all know the difficulty the Canadiens have had landing impact, put-you-over-the-top free agents.

Like it or not, the high taxes, the pressure (surprise), language (sigh) and lack of a winning product on the ice have been identified as deterrents for UFAs to sign here since the lockout ended.

With a 104-point season and a solid playoff run, the team now has one of those obstacles out of the way. Is that on its own enough to persuade a high-impact player to sign with the Canadiens?
No, it will not be nearly enough as the other two obstacles are by far still the biggest ones. In additition any gains we may have made this year is more that offset by the way Carbo and the organization treats players as he did, for example with Ryder.

There's no way anyone can convince me that Ryder shouldn't have been playing in this series, given his natural scoring ability that he brings to the game...Please, don't anyone give me the BS about him not scoring his 30 goals again this year because it's an extremely weak rebuttal that is totally irrelevant for the post season. Furthermore, he scored about half of usual production this year with less than half of the ice time and a considerably reduced amount of first PP minutes, an area where he was 3rd in the entire league over a 3 year period. So all in all not such a bad year offensively when you put things in perspective.

Ryder has worked very hard for this organization and this is the kind of thanks he receives from the organization...The message it sends to the rest of the league is that we'll support you when you're doing good but don't expect the same kind of support when you're struggling a bit. Apparently similar treatment was given to Samsonov last year when Samsonov after leaving the team stated that Carbo bascially ignored him when he was struggling. I didn't believe Samsonov when I first herd it, now I have no reason to doubt Samsonov the least bit.

Personnally, I hope that Ryder signs a contract with an Eastern team so that he can pay back Carbo (for his ****tty treatment) in a professional manner on the ice with his goal scoring prowess.

In short, you would have to be either nuts or desperate for a contract to play for the once classy organization.

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05-04-2008, 12:14 AM
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So your Ryan Malone and you have a choice of resigning with Pittsburg, New York Rangers or Montreal. Which team do you choose? Montreal takes the bronze again.
maybe one time we get lucky and actually get an impact UFA (not named Samsonov ) to sign here.

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05-04-2008, 12:18 AM
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Roman Hamrlik had the choice between Calgary, Pittsburgh and Montreal last year. Calgary was supposedly offering the same contract as Montreal, but for less years. Pittsburgh was also offering a lot. Hamrlik chose Montreal because he wanted and wished to play hockey in a hockey city. Some players won't want to come here. Some others will. I have no doubt about this. If it's not Hossa, it will be a Rolston, a Malone, a Huselius or a Campbell.

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05-04-2008, 12:19 AM
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"Malone, Rolston, Demitra, Satan, Naslund, Morrison, Straka, Stillman, Prospal, Kelly, Recchi, Jagr, Fedorov, Sundin, Fedotenko, Brunette, Langkow, Huselius, Vrbata, Weight, Jason Williams, Peca, Conroy, Holik, Vasicek, Shanahan, Hagman, Cooke, Nagy, Gélinas, Miettinen, Donovan"

I don't think Malone is coming here and the other scoring forwards don't add anything new or better (or as young) to our top 6. For me, I don't want to make any parellel moves with the top 6 that are unecessary - I've seen us do this before. We have the players for those roles, we just have to keep faith in them for now! Unless it is a player that brings a totally new dimension (Malone?) or is superstar caliber (Jagr/Hossa), I don't want to bring in a forward just for the sake of it.

Now, the Holiks, Gelinas, Fedotenkos, etc - for third line duty - deserve some consideration. Rolston is an interesting one too. What would he bring? More speed, good finishing and an ability to play 3rd or 2nd line minutes? Might be a good fit.

Defensively, I would consider Campbell, Roszival, Redden, Liles, Stuart, Norstrom or Smith - I think we will bring in another D and it is definitely what we need.

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Maybe Shanny will finally come here. I don't know if the Rangers would want him back after his sub-par year and playoffs. He was close before, I could see it happening. He'd be the perfect fit, finally a guy willing to pay the price in front of the net. Would have hit 40 goals last year if he didn't get hurt.

I'd also offer a lot for Sundin but he obviously wants to stay in Toronto.

I don't even want Hossa anymore. Too much for him. Plus keep the money for the 2009 offseason.

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05-04-2008, 12:20 AM
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No thanks. An RFA offer to a Western club would be interesting, to stir the pot, but very unlikely.

Unless we deal prospect depth for an upgrade (which I've been crying for for years), I honestly think this team will downgrade in overall talent this off-season. Streit will not be easy to replace, much as I want him gone, and Ryder and Smoke's replacements will do just that, replace, not improve upon. Bob's most important job is managing his RFAs over the next couple years, not this UFA ********.

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05-04-2008, 12:22 AM
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Defensively, I would consider Campbell, Roszival, Redden, Liles, Stuart, Norstrom or Smith - I think we will bring in another D and it is definitely what we need.
Rozzy to replace Streit for less money would make me a fairly happy camper, but we already have quite a bit of money tied up in Markov and Hammer. We don't want to become the Leafs.

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05-04-2008, 12:23 AM
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The UFA options aren't exactly great for the Habs's needs not to mention that the Habs organization had traditionally difficulties to attract potent offseason acquisitions,but I think a player like Rolston would be excellent.Solid two-way guy,displays a above average hockey sense and has decent speed,excellent goalscorer,decent hockey sense and he would probably buy in Carbonneau's philosophy.He has also a solid set of intangibles and would be an interesting option to replace Ryder on Koivu's right wing.


Adding also a 4th strong and efficient defenseman and someone with a legit veteran playoff experience and intangibles,like Shanny or Gelinas.

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05-04-2008, 12:25 AM
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No thanks. An RFA offer to a Western club would be interesting, to stir the pot, but very unlikely.

Unless we deal prospect depth for an upgrade (which I've been crying for for years), I honestly think this team will downgrade in overall talent this off-season. Streit will not be easy to replace, much as I want him gone, and Ryder and Smoke's replacements will do just that, replace, not improve upon. Bob's most important job is managing his RFAs over the next couple years, not this UFA ********.
NO RFA OFFERS

you would have to overpay to get them... and even then Timmins loses his picks....

two big reasons not to get an RFA; unless its like a Malkin or something in 2009 its not worth it.

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To add on to Shanahan as a target. He'd only want 1-2 years, although he had an off year he still had 23 goals. He brings a big body desperately needed up front and intangibles like veteran leadership.

But the most important part of having him on the team would be to teach Lats how to be a REAL powerforward, not the ***** powerforward he plays as now. Could do wonders.

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05-04-2008, 12:28 AM
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NO RFA OFFERS

you would have to overpay to get them... and even then Timmins loses his picks....

two big reasons not to get an RFA; unless its like a Malkin or something in 2009 its not worth it.
Considering the success of the team, the picks will be late rounders in the years to come. Also, considering our current prospect depth and the skill Timmins has shown, we could maybe afford to sacrifice several picks in next year's draft if it meant Corey Perry.

But I agree, it would have to be a potentially elite player.

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05-04-2008, 12:37 AM
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Do we at least agree on the fact that this team is lacking something more than experience to become successful. In the new NHL, we can't afford to wait too long after the youth, or our chance will pass. We have to win as soon as possible.

We have to give a lot for next year, and with Gainey, we have learned to expect the unexpected. I could see him trying to land Hossa. This will be his priority, once again, as he said it back at the trade deadline.

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05-04-2008, 12:40 AM
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Personally I'd love to see an attempt to bring Chelios in for a year or 2. He would bring a lot of leadership/experience and would help the defense way more than Breezy could ever dream of. Montreal has a lot of young D-men coming up and just going into training camps with a player like Chris Chelios there would help them.

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Personally I'd love to see an attempt to bring Chelios in for a year or 2. He would bring a lot of leadership/experience and would help the defense way more than Breezy could ever dream of. Montreal has a lot of young D-men coming up and just going into training camps with a player like Chris Chelios there would help them.
As cool as that would be, Chelios, Naslund, and Sakic are probably all in the same boat. One year deals with the same teams until they're done. Naslund maybe not quite as obvious as the other two.

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As cool as that would be, Chelios, Naslund, and Sakic are probably all in the same boat. One year deals with the same teams until they're done. Naslund maybe not quite as obvious as the other two.
I could definetely see Naslund leaving Vancouver.... the other two i think you are right about though.

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I could definetely see Naslund leaving Vancouver.... the other two i think you are right about though.
The Nonis firing might mess with his head a little, I suppose. It is pretty obvious that it is now the Sedin's team as well.

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