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05-04-2008, 02:53 PM
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Another over reaction thread, why am I not surprised. While I was not happy with Markov's play overall in the playoffs, it is coming out that he was playing injured and that might explain alot. As for the idea of trading away youth...wow....so we trade Higgins because YOU are fed up with him? Who the hell are you that it matter what you think?

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05-04-2008, 02:53 PM
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Higgins-Chipchura-S. Kostitsyn

Heck of a shutdown line with offensive upside. If we can acquire enough offensive talent for our top two lines to make this happen, we'll be contenders.
That is definitely a line I can see doing well in the future. Plenty of speed and grit and some solid two-way play. I'm curious to see how Chipchura rebounds after his year in Hamilton.

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05-04-2008, 03:07 PM
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Higgins-Chipchura-S. Kostitsyn

Heck of a shutdown line with offensive upside. If we can acquire enough offensive talent for our top two lines to make this happen, we'll be contenders.
Hmmm I don't like this line... Serge Kostitsyn has too much offensive skills to play with two under average offensive talents like Higgins and Chipchura.

Sergei Kostitsyn will put around 80-90 points in a not too distant future, so he must play on a full offensive line with a true sniper !!


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05-04-2008, 03:10 PM
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Hmmm I don't like this line... Serge Kostitsyn has too much offensive skills to play with two under average offensive talents like Higgins and Chipchura.

Sergei Kostitsyn will put around 80-90 points in a not too distant future, so he must play on a full offensive line woth a true sniper !!

If chipchura put points with Kosto at the beginning of the year, it is because he got offensive potential, you are just unable to see talent where it is hidden

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05-04-2008, 03:15 PM
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I think Markov and Komi's play was well below what the Habs would have needed in the playoffs (not the worst duo, though....come on).

I don't like to Bulis about injuries, but seeing that those are two character players, gotta wonder.

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05-04-2008, 04:07 PM
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Markov is really not a playoff performer. He has never delivered in playoffs so far, it's a concern, let's hope he'll change it next year... injury or not

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05-04-2008, 05:06 PM
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you just cant blame one or two players in a team. its a team game, you win as a team and lose as a team.
and not to mention they were not 100% cause of injuries.
not every one is like the great saku even with injuries

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05-04-2008, 05:10 PM
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I disagree with the OP. The worst pairing was Brisebois and Hamrlik.

Agreed. Both were minus 3. Worst total among D guys.

Markov and komi were 0 and +3. These two played 25 and 20 min per game too

breezer getting caught on the pinch was like a bad film loop

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05-04-2008, 05:10 PM
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The worst pairing was the one on the ice at any given moment!
Their modus non-operandi seemed to be to shove an opposing player off of the puck, and then leave the puck and player free; or to pass the puck blindly off the boards - usually to an opposing player.

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05-04-2008, 05:26 PM
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The worst pairing was the one on the ice at any given moment!
Their modus non-operandi seemed to be to shove an opposing player off of the puck, and then leave the puck and player free; or to pass the puck blindly off the boards - usually to an opposing player.
Ok... i didnt read the whole thread but Markov admitted playing on an injured leg and Komisarek was rushed back too soon from his hip injury and every Bruins and Flyers player in sight was hitting him there.

OF COURSE two injured players cant be playing at 100%!!! The fact is that in the regular season they would have taken more time to recuperate.

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05-04-2008, 05:53 PM
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Ok... i didnt read the whole thread but Markov admitted playing on an injured leg and Komisarek was rushed back too soon from his hip injury and every Bruins and Flyers player in sight was hitting him there.

OF COURSE two injured players cant be playing at 100%!!! The fact is that in the regular season they would have taken more time to recuperate.
Ding Ding Ding we have a winner!!!

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05-04-2008, 06:15 PM
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That's what I was saying all year long !! Chris Higgins is not a true second line player !! His stone hands and his lack of offensive vision are what handicaps him. The guy is a poor 2nd liner/good 3rd liner player. He plays on the 2nd line with the Habs, because we have nobody else !!

On a Stanley Cup contender team, Higgins would be the perfect 3rd line winger. As long as the Habs can't find a better option than Higgins on the LW, they will not go far in the Playoffs.

WRONG, 2nd line wingers on most Contenders (and winners) are just that, 20-25 goals scorers, around 50 pts a year...

example ? m'k... last cup winner had on their 2nd line :
- Perry : 44 pts
- Getzlaf : 58 pts
- Penner : 45 pts

2nd line C, finalist the same year :
- Fischer : 48 pts



thank you.

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05-04-2008, 06:21 PM
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Ding Ding Ding we have a winner!!!
Not to mention those two were playing 20 to 25 min a game each

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05-04-2008, 06:29 PM
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Markov was injured so its not his fault.

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05-04-2008, 06:42 PM
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Komisarek-Markov ... MOST INJURED DUO IN OUR PLAYOFFS?

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05-04-2008, 07:46 PM
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Komisarek and Markov played like ****.

I have held Markov in high regards for many years now. He's an outstanding talent but there's really no urgency whatsoever in that guy. I don't care if he was hurt. Your hockey sense doesn't disappear when you're hurt unless you let the injuries distract you. Which is the case when you're a softie. That's not good.

Komisarek? I think he didn't play well either. I think more than ever that what makes Komisarek stand out is a good, smart partner. When Markov disappears, Komisarek tends to do likewise over the long haul. That too, is not good.

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05-04-2008, 07:56 PM
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They played poorly, i can't explain why they played like that but its a fact. Gorges and Bouillon played a hell of a good 2008 playoffs. Hamrlik : our best D. Brisebois played also really well...we saw the difference when O'Byrne was replaced by Pat.

VERY DISSAPOINTED BY ANDREI AND MICHEAL!

And i'll ask a question : Do you trade players like Halak, O'Byrne, Higgins, Chipchura this summer?
They didn't play up to their regular season level, but they were still the top pair. Both seemed to have their skating impaired, Komi by his hip, Markov either a knee or ankle.

In general the defense played well, it was goaltending and maybe a lack of garbage goals that killed us. Our defense was definitely better than Phillie's.

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05-04-2008, 08:01 PM
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Hmmm I don't like this line... Serge Kostitsyn has too much offensive skills to play with two under average offensive talents like Higgins and Chipchura.

Sergei Kostitsyn will put around 80-90 points in a not too distant future, so he must play on a full offensive line with a true sniper !!

Higgins an "under average offensive talent"??

Did he not score like 55 points? An average NHL forward puts up 30-35 points

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05-04-2008, 08:05 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out what was going through Hamrlik's head when he tried to defend Umberger on his first goal last night.

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05-04-2008, 08:08 PM
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I love how some "experts" here have already predicated a young player's (Higgins') career based on his struggles this season. The kid knows how to shoot (last night's goal was a beaut), he just needs to gain consistency. Once he does I'm sure he'll be a 30 goal scorer.
I think it is highly unlikely he ever reaches 30 unless he ends up on a line with a Crosby or Thornton. Higgins i sbest used as a penalty killer/3rd liner. He has a good defensive game, and his offensive abilities will be betetr suited in a role where he isn't expected to score.

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05-04-2008, 08:21 PM
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Would like to acquire some Flyers. Umberger is an UFA and Upshall, maybe even Gagne could be had.

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1-Halak : We need a veteran backup goaltender
2-Higgins : I'm tired of this guy
3-O'Byrne : Could bring us a good player in return and we have lots of D-man coming from juniors.
4-Chipchura : We'll keep him unless we could receive something GOOD
1- nope, halak needs to play more and price needs to play less.
2- lets trade a player because some guy on a message board is tired of him. Higgins is young, gritty, speedy, plays well on both ends and is a 50pts player at 25. He will soon start to bury his chances and you'll be licking his dingdong. He is a great team player and loves the habs. He is a Key to keep Komi, Gorges and Price here their whole careers.
3-who??? A GOOD PLAYER for O'byrne??? o'bee isn't worth anything and so does Halak. They need to be established to have value. For the d men coming out of juniors... well they come out of junior and THEY CANNOT PLAY IN THE NHL RIGHT AWAY. That is VERY rare.
4-receive what for chipchura??? another prospect??? Chipchoo has value for us because he is a leader he is gritty and big. He plays center. Didn't you see against boston and Philly that we need just that??? AND YOU WANT TO TRADE HIM??? nonsense.


You just seem to be someone who knows nothing about hockey or someone who needs attention. If you would be in front of me I'd take you in my arms and comfort you.

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05-05-2008, 12:31 AM
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komi/markov worst duo???read my lips (huuu..fingers????) BOTH WERE INJURED


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05-05-2008, 01:24 AM
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I think it is highly unlikely he ever reaches 30 unless he ends up on a line with a Crosby or Thornton. Higgins i sbest used as a penalty killer/3rd liner. He has a good defensive game, and his offensive abilities will be betetr suited in a role where he isn't expected to score.
You do know he scored 27Goals this season right?..

I agree he'd be best as a 3rd liner with Chipper..i think they would make a great duo. Chip has to work on his speed though.

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05-05-2008, 09:42 AM
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yes i was dissapointed with both of these guys. maybe markov was injured, and komi came back from injury i know, but if the habs wanted to go furthur then they needed these 2 at the top of their game, and they were not.

markov needed to contribute offensively and he did not, the powerplay suffered as a result.

It is not just their fault or Price fault or anyone individual fualt, but when you dont have everyone contributing at the top of their game, then the team is not performing like it did during the regular season. hopefully they will come back strong next year

as for anyone bashing higgins, give me a break! you want to trade him!? he is fantastic for his 3rd year!

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