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05-05-2008, 10:55 AM
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Opinion: What were Carbo's biggest mistakes?

Ok... not to take pleasure in playing armchair coach or bashing a coaching staff in their first playoffs...

but what were some of their mistakes?

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05-05-2008, 10:57 AM
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choosing to become a coach

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Personally, I was disappointed not to have seen more experimenting with the Lapierre-Dandenault-Latendresse-Streit line (total of 1 single goal combined in the 11 games)

True that he only played one game...

but would it have been suicidal for Carbo to try Stewart?

Just to bring in some fresh blood? maybe provide a needed spark?

In his one game he was fast, went to the net, and played tough not shying away from McCabe.

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O'Byrne should've played every game.
Streit should've been pressboxed.
Dandenault should not have played at all.
Adjustments such as presence in front of the net needed to made quicker, not two games too late.
Andrei Kostitsyn never playing the RW.
Using Smolinski's line as a shutdown line.
Breaking up Smolinski's line.

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Not benching Streit.
Not bringing back Ryder to replace Dandy.
Breaking Smoke's line.

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05-05-2008, 11:04 AM
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Ok... not to take pleasure in playing armchair coach or bashing a coaching staff in their first playoffs...

but what were some of their mistakes?
I think we'd be making a mistake in looking for fault in Carbonneau here. He did fairly well this season, he's improved a great deal from last season. We just ran into a blisteringly hot goalie, and our goalie was cold as ice. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

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05-05-2008, 11:06 AM
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In general, not bringing in new blood - trying a D'ago or Stewart especially when the series moved to Philly.

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Personally, I was disappointed not to have seen more experimenting with the Lapierre-Dandenault-Latendresse-Streit line (total of 1 single goal combined in the 11 games)

True that he only played one game...

but would it have been suicidal for Carbo to try Stewart?

Just to bring in some fresh blood? maybe provide a needed spark?

In his one game he was fast, went to the net, and played tough not shying away from McCabe.
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I still think it was the tie that screwed up.

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05-05-2008, 11:11 AM
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I would have liked to see Carbonneau bring in Ryder, Grabovski, and Stewart throughout the Habs/Flyers series. Also, should have gone back to Kostitsyn/Pleks/Kovalev much sooner. The biggest mistake was Gainey's, trading Huet, putting way too much pressure on Price way too soon.

Still, a good year and the youngsters gained lots of valuable playoff experience.

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05-05-2008, 11:12 AM
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Maybe, just maybe... reuniting Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Kovalev in game 1 right away against the Flyers would have made a difference instead of waiting for game 4 and 5.

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Not benching Streit.
Not bringing back Ryder to replace Dandy.
Breaking Smoke's line.
Agree completely. We weren't scoring and he didn't bring Ryder back in. Not sure it would have made a difference, but Ryder has a good shot and it was worth a try for sure. Streit was terrible for most of the playoffs. In my opinion he was a major reason the PP wasn't working. Also, how many times did he turn or the puck or shoot it into a guys shins that lead to a breakaway or 2 on 1. Brisbois played waay better than him on the PP and should have replaced him on the #1 unit.

I also would have considered bringing in Grabovski versus the Flyers. The series wasn't anything near as physical as the Boston series and his speed could have caused some serious breakdowns by the Flyer D.

Ah well, I honestly didn't think the Habs would win it this year, and the lessons learned in the playoffs will pay off in the future.

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05-05-2008, 11:20 AM
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Maybe, just maybe... reuniting Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Kovalev in game 1 right away against the Flyers would have made a difference instead of waiting for game 4 and 5.
why would he do that right at game 1?

Higgs-Koivu-Kovy worked great together in the last 2 games against the Bruins

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05-05-2008, 11:22 AM
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Slowing down the game when we had a lead and play that defence of crap.Gotta keep pushing all the time and we saw it on Saturday that not even a 2 goal lead is safe.He did pretty well for his 1st playoffs as a coach and will only get better

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Why the hell didn't he play Markov and Kovalev at the same time on those powerplays. Especially that last game.

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why would he do that right at game 1?

Higgs-Koivu-Kovy worked great together in the last 2 games against the Bruins
Because Kovy, Pleks, and AKost carried us for the whole year. We only resorted to changing the lines for game 7 because Boston had an excellent gameplay to neutralize that line, but it got all bent out of shape when we threw a different look at them.

I would have gone back to the original lines, maybe not after game 1, but certainly after game 2 - I never felt comfortable with that Koivu, Kovalev, and Higgins line.

Also, Carbo took that Kosto, Smoke, Begin line apart for a couple of games or so, that didn't help because they were one of our best lines.

I'm a Carbo supporter though, he's a good coach.

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05-05-2008, 11:31 AM
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Ok... not to take pleasure in playing armchair coach or bashing a coaching staff in their first playoffs...

but what were some of their mistakes?
Putting a guy like Lats on Koivu's wing. He scores playoff type goals from 5-10 feet out.

Trading Huet was mostly on Gainey, that was the #1 reason we lost, subpar goaltending.

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Putting a guy like Lats on Koivu's wing. He scores playoff type goals from 5-10 feet out.

Trading Huet was mostly on Gainey, that was the #1 reason we lost, subpar goaltending.
You are delusional if you think Huet would have beat Boston.

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Carbonneau is simply the best coach we've had in years! He brought this team to the top while being one of the youngest in the entire league.

He did some mistakes last year, but appeared much more in control this year. You don't get nominated for Coach of the year if you don't have the respect of your players.

I have a lot of respect for him and hope he stays around for a while.

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05-05-2008, 12:01 PM
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I still think it was the tie that screwed up.
Well played.

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Honestly, I think he should have worn the magic tie in game #4 instead of keeping it for game #5.

He made a bunch of decisions I didn't agree with - some which turned out to work and others which didn't. Basically, it's a wash to me. And this is coming from someone that didn't like him very much last season. But now, he took the team to #1 in the East. I have to say that I appreciate a coach that's not afraid to make gutsy moves.

Onwards!

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His biggest mistake was to think all of our 4 consecutive loss against Philli was only luck. He just kept coming back with the same formula while it was rather obvious that this wasn't working. He should have shoved his lines and insert new blood to make things happen, to keep the Flyers guessing and trying new stuff to stop us. Instead, he went with the same formula, the same gameplan and the Flyers pretty much beat us the same way 4 games in a row.

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I've been a big fan of Carbo all season, however I think he did not realise after two losses to Philly that the Canadiens needed to play with more desperation and urgency and that they needed to ****ing crash the net. They seemed way too reluctant to do so.
That's... it. The goalie stuff was goalie stuff, nothing he could do about that with no veterans in that position.

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His biggest mistake was to think all of our 4 consecutive loss against Philli was only luck. He just kept coming back with the same formula while it was rather obvious that this wasn't working. He should have shoved his lines and insert new blood to make things happen, to keep the Flyers guessing and trying new stuff to stop us. Instead, he went with the same formula, the same gameplan and the Flyers pretty much beat us the same way 4 games in a row.
yep they sure beat the Habs the same way for 4 games.
Yep they kept hoping the posts would save their ass.
Yep they kept hoping Umberger would save their ass.
Yep they kept hoping Biron would save their ass.
Yep they kept hoping the wide open nets would save their ass.

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05-05-2008, 12:22 PM
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Well played.
Ah crap, I entertained a Flyer fan. Son of a.....

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