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05-05-2008, 10:14 AM
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Hockey Arena Part 4

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To respond to tujague from the last thread:

He's already one of my best shooters and has decent passing and speed, so I guess I could fit him in as a 4th liner & PP specialist.

The question now is who do I remove to fit him in?

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well...i got 3 pulls. 1 immediate fire...
one wait and see if i can get a few bucks for him...http://www.hockeyarena.net//index.ph...hp&id=13156726 59Q 43P. maybe someone will snap him up for 10k.

and then, i introduce you to Buck Montoya..
http://www.hockeyarena.net//index.ph...hp&id=13156724
92Q 69P? 19 YO 72AI

his stats are spread out kind of weird.

9 goal
20 passing
26 speed
17 strength

any suggestions on what posistion i should train him for? pass and strength look good for center, speed looks good for winger. 0 att and 0 shot really sucks.

9 goal doesnt really help anything.

since they are so spread out, would it be better to sell him?

by the way..im sorry for all you sharks fans out there. that was a hell of a game!

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Okay, I'm throwing out this question because I'd like to see people's philosophy and strategies on player development.

Suppose you pull an 80Q 80P player with the following attributes:
0 goaltending, 3 defense, 14 attack, 10 shooting, 8 passing, 5 skating, 3 strength and 5 self-control.

Now, most likely he'd be developed as a winger, though he could be an offensive D or a C.

Question is, how would you develop him, and what course of training would you use?

I originally had training programs that would develop several attributes at once, but have switched to a focused strategy of getting one attribute to a certain level before beginning the next. I usually start with training attack, then passing or shooting (now that strength in either/or will affect line strats), then going for things like skating and strength or control.

Thing is, I'm still not sold on this strategy, so I'm wondering how others would approach it?

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I use pretty much the same strategy. And I also used to have a multiattribute training at first...

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Well I didn't get anybody who was absolutely horrible, but I didn't get the amazing pull that I have been dreaming of either.

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See what I mean. Even when I pull a guy over 80Q, his distribution is garbage.

Should I give him a "Chance"

Information about player Chance Jones, id 13131024
Age 18 Country USA
Contract 6 days Team West Ham United Sharks
Injury Healthy Quality 87(scouted)
Salary 0 Potential 72
Ability index 59 Loyalty +
Satisfaction neutral Weeks in team 0
Goalie's weak spot Star 26%
Attributes
Goalie 9 (0%) Speed 25 (0%)
Defense 6 (0%) Strength 6 (0%)
Attack 0 (0%) Self-control 7 (0%)
Shooting 0 (0%) Form 50 (0)
Puck control/Passing 6 (0%) Experience 0 (0%)
Energy 100 Training 0%
Statistics
Goals 0 Assists 0
Shots 0 Matches 0
Percentage 0% +/- 0
Shots (goalie) 0 Goals Allowed (goalies) 0
Save Percentage (goalies) 100% Rating
Penalties in minutes


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I got 2 guys I think I can work into my lineup eventually...they would be my 2nd and 3rd YP I kept respectively:

1-Jean Upton//Goalie:

Age 19 Country Canada
Contract 19 days Team SJ Port City Foghawgs
Injury Healthy Quality 78
Salary 0 Potential 74
Ability index 62 Loyalty -0
Satisfaction neutral Weeks in team 0
Goalie's weak spot None Star 10%
Attributes
Goalie 29 (0%) Speed 24 (0%)
Defense 0 (0%) Strength 4 (0%)
Attack 0 (0%) Self-control 0 (0%)
Shooting 0 (0%) Form 50 (0)
Puck control/Passing 5 (0%) Experience 0 (0%)
Energy 100 Training 0%

2-Ronnie Bazelya//C likely

Age 19 Country Canada
Contract 16 days Team SJ Port City Foghawgs
Injury Healthy Quality 58
Salary 0 Potential 85
Ability index 52 Loyalty +00
Satisfaction neutral Weeks in team 0
Goalie's weak spot Low area Star 14%
Attributes
Goalie 0 (0%) Speed 0 (0%)
Defense 10 (0%) Strength 8 (0%)
Attack 18 (0%) Self-control 4 (0%)
Shooting 8 (0%) Form 50 (0)
Passing 4 (0%) Experience 0 (0%)
Energy 100 Training 0%

Not top noch, but something to work with at least.
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player Stuart Haney, id 13158690
Age 17 Country USA
Contract 14 days Team San Jose Spartans
Injury Healthy Quality 91
Salary 0 Potential 84
Ability index 35 Loyalty
Satisfaction neutral Weeks in team 0
Goalie's weak spot Low area Star 11%
Attributes
Goalie 0 (0%) Speed 5 (0%)
Defense 4 (0%) Strength 13 (0%)
Attack 11 (0%) Self-control 0 (0%)
Shooting 0 (0%) Form 50 (0)
Passing 2 (0%) Experience 0 (0%)
Energy 100 Training 0%

just got this guy. i was wondering what the best time to sell him is? and also how much to start the bidding at?

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player Stuart Haney, id 13158690
Age 17 Country USA
Contract 14 days Team San Jose Spartans
Injury Healthy Quality 91
Salary 0 Potential 84
Ability index 35 Loyalty
Satisfaction neutral Weeks in team 0
Goalie's weak spot Low area Star 11%
Attributes
Goalie 0 (0%) Speed 5 (0%)
Defense 4 (0%) Strength 13 (0%)
Attack 11 (0%) Self-control 0 (0%)
Shooting 0 (0%) Form 50 (0)
Passing 2 (0%) Experience 0 (0%)
Energy 100 Training 0%

just got this guy. i was wondering what the best time to sell him is? and also how much to start the bidding at?
Well at least its not in the family blood to get crap youth pulls.

Someone in my family finally got a great pull.

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Canada
Leafer 21 - Brampton Bandits - I.1
nashnaidoo (aka tychaeus) - Cremona Titans - I.1
Caspian30 - Vancouver Wolf Pack - Can III.1
e-Mac - Medicine Hat Reapers - III.2
Temm - Calgary Wire Flyers - CAN IV.4
Yogi - Vancouver Salmon Kings - IV.4
MXD - Montreal Wanderers - V.3
Shane (aka butchmoniker) - Don't Cry for me Jan Hrdina - V.3
EUnit - Victoria Maple Leafs - V.4
RocheBag - Fog Devils - V.6
xXShaqXx (aka TeamFord)- Edmonton Oil Kings - V.1
feichter- SJ Port City Foghawgs- V.1
Megalinsky - HC Soju - IV.1
kTrick - Newmarket Ducks - V.7
djscooter - Sudbury Wolves - VI.20

dmandood12 - Vancouver Bobcats - VI.4 (Changed team name and different HA usernanme? or quit?)
Cao - ??? - ???
Dangelo37 - ??? - ???
Phinor - ??? - ???
Unstoppable - ??? - ???

Denmark
Forsbergwannabe - Toffies - III.3

Great Britain
hluraven - Bromley Ravens - I.1

Netherlands
El_Loco_Avs - Almelo_Avalanche - III.3
LD (aka Leon84) - Heeze Eagles - IV.6

Slovakia
ktulu - Anaheim Ducks - III.4
MadArcand (aka silverbow) - Nami Rules - VIII.34

USA
Acadmus aka Alamus aka Rail Against NINE - Vermont Catamounts - III.1
Ranger35 (LDR) - Hartford Wolfpack - I.1
Horsehouse - UCCS HC - IV.6
TheSchwab (NAT) - NH Spartans - IV.1
njcoach - New Jersey Muckers - II.2
jwhitesj (aka fishkiller) - Fish Killers - V.4
NHL33 - Starlight - IV.2
steelcable97 - Demolitia Totalus - III.2
FFWRX - Nashville Knights - IV.2
tujague - Bombsville Atomics -IV.3
Miami Panther - Miami Matadors - IV.4
njdevscup30- Ugly Cows - IV.4
Smetana - HC Victoria Hornets - IV.4
Snowman - Righteous Ones - IV.4
Spillblood Maloney - Mobtown Hooligans - IV.4
Hossmann - Soviet Reds - IV.6
Chairman Mallard (aka UofDucks15) - Minnesota Miracle Men - IV.1
osgoodshlatters - San Jose Spartans - V.11
ower13 - Nordic Thunder - IV.3
6hole - Rollerpuck - V.6
poppap527 - Usual Suspects - IV.4
The Indestructible (aka fkohws) - The Indestructible - USA IV.6
Diskothek - Seal Clubbers - V.4
braindeadalive (aka Florida) - West Palm Beach Blaze - IV.1
hydromel (aka hydrop) - Salitter - VI.3


I think all of the links are correct. If I have the wrong link or I am missing someone, let me know and provide a link to your team.

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Don't worry about winning games right now.

First, go around through the various menus. Click on the "?" button where appropriate for information. Secondly, read the overall guide found under Home --> Guide. Third, ask lots of questions. Discussion --> Canada. I think Canada might have a mentor program...I know the U.S. does, so if Canada does, apply for a mentor. Else I know Canada has some newbie / Q&A threads which you should go through. Long read probably but that's life.

For now you want to just build up your stadium (Team --> Stadium), this means spending every dollar you can every week whenever to upgrade. This means: spend up to the $14 million in debt allowable (you'd have seen this if you read the guide!) on training and regeneration. Both should be upgraded simultaneously, as both are equally important in daily improvements to your player. You want to get Y.S. to 20% ASAP as well. After that you can slack off on Y.S. and go the 40/40/20, 60/60/40, ... , 100/100/80 route on Training/Regeneration/Youth School.

Every Wednesday you get money for your sponsorship, $5100 for every member in your fan club (Team --> Info). For league games, the home team pulls in revenues...for friendlies, the money is split. Challenge higher leagues for more revenues, although it gets more difficult for the very high leagues since they stick to their own usually. :S
A playoff game in friendly means continuous O.T., a normal game means ties...go with the latter. It'll potentially save energy. Go around and challenge the V or VI or IV teams for friendlies for all your off-days. NOT DOING SO MEANS LOSING MONEY, expenses are daily regardless of whether there's a match.

This will be a tedious process for you, and you won't build your stadium up significantly for a while yet. Training your players is not very effective until you hit 80% in T/R, and it's quite amazing the differences between, say, 100% and 60%. Every 10% you get a boost, the maximum boost at 20%...but that's kind of off-topic for now.

Every other Sunday there is a youth pull. This Sunday there is none. Basically, that means junior players arrive and you can "build from within". Unfortunately, since building from within is most effective at high levels of T/R, it's not very feasible. All the same, this is a great opportunity to make a lot of cash if you hit the jackpot--look out for young players (19 or under) with high quality (90+ is excellent, 80+ is very good, 70+ is good) and preferably high potential. A player with 100% Quality will sell for a LOT on the market...if young. Older players, say, 25 years old? Not so much.

AI is critical. Younger players with high Q/P can be trained best and molded by teams with good facilities. So, I think you can see why the stadium is so critical to the game. Not only can you improve, but you NEED to do so for higher levels where the opposition does as well. Depending on the market, where prices are inflated, is a bad idea. Luckily, you're intelligent and will listen to us and do as we say and BUILD UP T/R (and Y.S. to 20%) and not fall into the trap. Don't waste money on scouting, don't worry too much about upgrading cheerleading or marketing regularly for now. Maybe give it the odd upgrade, but shouldn't be a concern nor should it interfere with you upgrading T/R (& Y.S.).

Right now, you're going to lose. A lot. If you go on the market, don't buy. Go watch how prices are, learn what are good stats to train for various positions, etceteras. If you're smart you'll spend hours on the market before actually buying...since you want to conserve money right now for your facilities.
Goalie: 1. Goaltending, 2. Speed, 3A. Passing (say 10) / 3B. Self control (say 7)
Center: 1. Attack, 2A. Shooting / 2B. Strength, 3. Passing (say 10)
Wingers: 1. Attack, 2. Shooting, 3. Speed (passing also imp.)
Defensemen: 1. Defense, 2. Strength, 3. Speed

Focus on #1 and #2 stat categories for the positions. As you grow older in the game, several seasons from now, more complementary statistics will grow in importance. For right now, to stay competitive at the lower level as you build up your stadium, if you DO purchase players, look for Q+P >= 120, with Q>60. For AI aim for the following:
19 years - 65
18 years - 50
17 years - 35

Try not to waste money. Spend at most, say, $100K. Use your judgment. Look for good AI totals at cheap cost with decent quality...DO NOT waste your money on veterans. Not only do they have higher daily salaries, they train slower, and right now building up you don't have much a use for them.

You might want to, say, get a good goalie for about $12 million at season's end or such. Throw it at a goalie with Q >= 60, about 21-22 years old, goaltending = 50, speed = 40, sco = 5.

I might be inflating the stats or such. I don't remember what are good starting numbers...but basically get a good goalie. DO NOT OVER PAY. Best thing to do is look several hours ahead and ask about players, say some goalie, and ask for an approximation of what he'll likely get or how much he's worth spending, etc.

Keep asking questions. Keep building up your facilities. Don't worry too much about money.

Since this IS a sim game, it might not be appropriate for you. A lot of patience will be required, and the fruits of your labor will be sweet, but some either get frustrated, bored, or whatever. So, choose to spend your time wisely. I highly recommend the game and so do others, just make sure you're having fun and remember it's just a game. Don't let things beyond your hand get to you.

Hope this helps. It better. I wasted some time typing it up.
I added this here to make it easier for people to find. This is just to get new people started.


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See what I mean. Even when I pull a guy over 80Q, his distribution is garbage.

Should I give him a "Chance"

Information about player Chance Jones, id 13131024
Age 18 Country USA
Contract 6 days Team West Ham United Sharks
Injury Healthy Quality 87(scouted)
Salary 0 Potential 72
Ability index 59 Loyalty +
Satisfaction neutral Weeks in team 0
Goalie's weak spot Star 26%
Attributes
Goalie 9 (0%) Speed 25 (0%)
Defense 6 (0%) Strength 6 (0%)
Attack 0 (0%) Self-control 7 (0%)
Shooting 0 (0%) Form 50 (0)
Puck control/Passing 6 (0%) Experience 0 (0%)
Energy 100 Training 0%
Statistics
Goals 0 Assists 0
Shots 0 Matches 0
Percentage 0% +/- 0
Shots (goalie) 0 Goals Allowed (goalies) 0
Save Percentage (goalies) 100% Rating
Penalties in minutes
I'd keep him and just start training him at 100% goalie. With his quality he could get to be a pretty good goalie someday, and for now at least you don't have to worry about trianing Speed, Self or Passing.

Tujague, As for myself, I got an absolute stud way back when I first started playing, and didn't really know what to do with him. 98Q 83P 57AI. Ended up training him until he was almost 19 (At 45% with 40T/R!)and sold him for 50million. Boy could I have been a lot richer. I've gotten two guys over 80Q since then, but that's it. I would say I don't have it terrible, but its just been over a season now since I've had a keeper. (Or anyone over 55Q)

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Age 18 Country Canada
Contract 6 days Team Edmonton Oil Kings
Injury Healthy Quality 85
Salary 0 Potential 42
Ability index 43 Loyalty +00
Satisfaction neutral Weeks in team 0
Goalie's weak spot Low area Star 18%
Attributes
Goalie 0 (0%) Speed 23 (0%)
Defense 0 (0%) Strength 0 (0%)
Attack 6 (0%) Self-control 1 (0%)
Shooting 13 (0%) Form 50 (0)
Puck control/Passing 0 (0%) Experience 0 (0%)
Energy 100 Training 0%
Statistics
Goals 0 Assists 0
Shots 0 Matches 0
Percentage 0% +/- 0
Shots (goalie) 0 Goals Allowed (goalies) 0
Save Percentage (goalies) 100% Rating


that was my best pull. Not bad but the potential sucks...

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Well I didn't get anybody who was absolutely horrible, but I didn't get the amazing pull that I have been dreaming of either.
This still deserves a big

He's showing 93/72. So, if you don't like his distro...

Have you thought about making him a d-man? Goalie has 12 wasted AI, d-man only has 9. Since you deleted the weak spot, I assume he has one. A goalie would take a while to be useful, while a d-man could play in two (less?) seasons. He should have over 25 D by the end of this season, and 45+ by the end of next (unless you train strength along the way).


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I got 2 guys I think I can work into my lineup eventually...they would be my 2nd and 3rd YP I kept respectively:

1-Jean Upton//Goalie:

Age 19 Country Canada
Contract 19 days Team SJ Port City Foghawgs
Injury Healthy Quality 78
Salary 0 Potential 74
Ability index 62 Loyalty -0
Satisfaction neutral Weeks in team 0
Goalie's weak spot None Star 10%
Attributes
Goalie 29 (0%) Speed 24 (0%)
Defense 0 (0%) Strength 4 (0%)
Attack 0 (0%) Self-control 0 (0%)
Shooting 0 (0%) Form 50 (0)
Puck control/Passing 5 (0%) Experience 0 (0%)
Energy 100 Training 0%
Nice goalie! If you're keeping him, make sure he's your back-up for league games (or starter if you're team is good enough). Get that boy some experience.


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player Stuart Haney, id 13158690
Age 17 Country USA
Contract 14 days Team San Jose Spartans
Injury Healthy Quality 91
Salary 0 Potential 84
Ability index 35 Loyalty
Satisfaction neutral Weeks in team 0
Goalie's weak spot Low area Star 11%
Attributes
Goalie 0 (0%) Speed 5 (0%)
Defense 4 (0%) Strength 13 (0%)
Attack 11 (0%) Self-control 0 (0%)
Shooting 0 (0%) Form 50 (0)
Passing 2 (0%) Experience 0 (0%)
Energy 100 Training 0%
Poor Mallard

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See what I mean. Even when I pull a guy over 80Q, his distribution is garbage.

Should I give him a "Chance"

Information about player Chance Jones, id 13131024
Age 18 Country USA
Quality 87(scouted)
Salary 0 Potential 72
Ability index 59 Loyalty +
Satisfaction neutral Weeks in team 0
Goalie's weak spot Star 26%
Attributes
Goalie 9 (0%) Speed 25 (0%)
Defense 6 (0%) Strength 6 (0%)
Attack 0 (0%) Self-control 7 (0%)
Shooting 0 (0%) Form 50 (0)
Puck control/Passing 6 (0%) Experience 0 (0%)
Hell yes, keep him - his speed's already solid, so build up his passing and goaltending, and you've got an 80Q goalie.

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He's showing 93/72. So, if you don't like his distro...

Have you thought about making him a d-man? Goalie has 12 wasted AI, d-man only has 9. Since you deleted the weak spot, I assume he has one. A goalie would take a while to be useful, while a d-man could play in two (less?) seasons. He should have over 25 D by the end of this season, and 45+ by the end of next (unless you train strength along the way).


If he is showing 93, maybe I should sell him, but I don't know what I could fetch since his distro isn't great.

I thought the same as you about only 9 AI wasted for a Dman, but I have plenty of D-Men, although it is still a possibility. I really don't know what I should do.

What would you guys do?

Sell him? D-Man? Goaltender?

My T/R are at 80 in 3 days

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I'm glad you finally get to make one of these decisions

He has + loyalty. I would hold onto him at least long enough to see if it's +3. +3 means he will never leave your team. He stays with you until you fire or sell him, including his UFA years. That would be nice

Really it's up to you. Same thing I told Hossman at the end of Part 3. You have to decide what will make you happier- a nice prospect or some money. And how much money is enough? You're fighting for survival. 50M could get you two or three good players, but will you get 50M for Chance?

On thee other hand, your T/R is almost 80/80. You can train him into either a goalie or a d-man. What's there is good for both. You have young d-men, so go with goalie. He's very close to London (and a year younger), so he'll probably train around 30%. That's 20AI per season. In 3 seasons, he will be around 50Goal 40Speed. In 5 seasons, he'll be at least 80-50. And he'll just be turning 23 at that point. That's pretty damn exciting

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hey tujague, not to nitpick, but im in IV.4 now with the other half of HFboards.

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player Stuart Haney, id 13158690
Age 17 Country USA
Contract 14 days Team San Jose Spartans
Injury Healthy Quality 91
Salary 0 Potential 84
Ability index 35 Loyalty
Satisfaction neutral Weeks in team 0
Goalie's weak spot Low area Star 11%
Attributes
Goalie 0 (0%) Speed 5 (0%)
Defense 4 (0%) Strength 13 (0%)
Attack 11 (0%) Self-control 0 (0%)
Shooting 0 (0%) Form 50 (0)
Passing 2 (0%) Experience 0 (0%)
Energy 100 Training 0%

just got this guy. i was wondering what the best time to sell him is? and also how much to start the bidding at?
so does anybody have any ideas?

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so does anybody have any ideas?
Sell him anytime between 9AM-1PM PST, start it at $1 million, and have it end on Thursday.

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I got a decent pull this go around

Name: Cornell Lakee
Age: 17
Q/P: 85?/60?
Defense: 24
Attack: 5
Shooting: 7
Strength: 2
Self Con: 2
Total AI: 40

I'm sure he will become a decnet 3rd or 4th pairing D man one day.

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Well, I said earlier my goal was to score 200 goals and alow 20 or fewer witha perfect season. The frist week didn't start off to bad. had 32 GF, that puts me on pace for 240 goals, and I gave up 3 goals which puts me on pace for giving up 22.5 goals against.

since I decided to sell my number 1 goaltender I'm only going to have one goalie going for the awards. My back up is super weak. I just hope my number 1 doesn't get injured.

I got my T/R up to 80/80 and my YS is at 45, I'm going to be working on getting that up as high as I can this season and wait untill next season to start building T/R again.

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Blah, you all get absurd pulls. ~glares at his 11Q players~

Bought this guy for 10k just now:
66/41 Q/P
20 years
84 AI - 37 strength, 30 speed, 7 selfctrl, 6 def and 4 pass

3 seasons of defense training should get him in 50s...

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hey tujague, not to nitpick, but im in IV.4 now with the other half of HFboards.
Yeah, I realized about halfway through that I wasn't looking out for league switchers.

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so does anybody have any ideas?
If that guy is as good as he looks, you can list him whenever you want. The big money teams who care will find him. But listen to Shane. You might want to end it next week, so you can have him on the market for more than 2 days.

Or you can keep him

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Yeah, I realized about halfway through that I wasn't looking out for league switchers.



If that guy is as good as he looks, you can list him whenever you want. The big money teams who care will find him. But listen to Shane. You might want to end it next week, so you can have him on the market for more than 2 days.

Or you can keep him
so you think i should have it end next thursday?

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