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05-05-2008, 04:13 PM
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A Good Deal For A Big Center

The Panthers maybe in a position to move Jokinen , his time may have run out .

A very realistic deal is Higgins , Obyrne, and a solid prospect like Subban or Emelin, plus a pick .

They need D in big way , we need a big center .

He has 2 years left on a fair deal , and would be an ideal# 1 center for us. They get a good player , 5 years younger , and 2 kids .

We have plenty of D prospects , other than McDonough I would move any of them.

what do you think ?

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colossal overpayment.

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colossal overpayment.
Define overpayement for a legit #1 elite center.

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Define overpayement for a legit #1 elite center.
I'm sorry, did you say Jokinen or Crosby? Anything else you want to give? maybe Price and 1st?

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I'm sorry, did you say Jokinen or Crosby? Anything else you want to give? maybe Price and 1st?
You gotta give to receive. But yes, it's a steep price for something we badly need.

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Overpayment really? You guys are smoking some good stuff, what do you expect.

Gainey: Grabovski
Martin: OMG! Jokinen, Bouwmeester, Horton + 3 X 1st rounder.


Ok lets be serious now,
Higgins, Obyrne + prospect + pick sounds about right, depending on the prospect and pick.


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Higgins, Obyrne + prospect + pick sounds about right, depending on the prospect and pick.

Agreed, that would be pretty good deal. IMO higgins is replaceable, and we have many D-Men in our system who will be able to step in. Im sure gainey would seriously consider an offer like this

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Higgins, O'Byrne, Carle and a 2nd rounder, or another prospect like Wyman would be a pretty equal deal.

The only problem is whether Florida would accept quantity for quality. They might be more interested in Halak as the biggest piece of the puzzle.

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Higgins, O'Byrne, Carle and a 2nd rounder, or another prospect like Wyman would be a pretty equal deal.

The only problem is whether Florida would accept quantity for quality. They might be more interested in Halak as the biggest piece of the puzzle.
But why Halak? Do they need a goaltender?(I doubt it with Vokoun)

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Overpayment really? You guys are smoking some good stuff, what do you expect.
I agree.

You're not getting Jokinen, if you get him at all, without including some legit quality in the deal. And you'll have to overpay to even get the Panthers interested, IMO.

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But why Halak? Do they need a goaltender?(I doubt it with Vokoun)
There's always room for another goaltender. Halak would be a solid backup (possibly the best in the NHL) and heir to the throne if/when Vokoun falters.

At worst, Florida ends up with another valuable asset to peddle to a different team. I'm just trying to think in terms of assets of value, and frankly at this point Halak and Higgins are our two most valuable assets that we might be willing to deal.

Higgins gives them a 2nd line player, Halak gives them a potential starting goalie.

Frankly I wouldn't deal with us if I were Florida without a quality center going back the other way. They're pretty bare at C without Jokinen. Grabovsky, Chipchura.. we need to throw them a bone here.

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How does Higgins, the best 2 way forward on the team, warrant being the toss away guy in the new trade proposals-du-jour.

A lot of HF'ers had better go back to GM school and sort things out - the team needs more Chris Higgins types not fewer.

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The Panthers maybe in a position to move Jokinen , his time may have run out .

A very realistic deal is Higgins , Obyrne, and a solid prospect like Subban or Emelin, plus a pick .

They need D in big way , we need a big center .

He has 2 years left on a fair deal , and would be an ideal# 1 center for us. They get a good player , 5 years younger , and 2 kids .

We have plenty of D prospects , other than McDonough I would move any of them.

what do you think ?
I would move Plekanec instead of Higgins. I don't want O'Byrne or Emelin to go anywhere, but it's not a deal breaker.

Koivu probably knows Olli pretty well, so we'd have a great scouting report on him. He's no Getzlaf, but he'd be a huge upgrade over Plekanec.

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How does Higgins, the best 2 way forward on the team, warrant being the toss away guy in the new trade proposals-du-jour.

A lot of HF'ers had better go back to GM school and sort things out - the team needs more Chris Higgins types not fewer.
Because he's the most valuable asset that we have which could possibly be expendable.

Do you want to deal Sergei Kostitsyn? Or Andrei? Or Komisarek?

Exactly.

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Because he's the most valuable asset that we have which could possibly be expendable.

Do you want to deal Sergei Kostitsyn? Or Andrei? Or Komisarek?

Exactly.
I don't think the Kostys are untouchable myself. Neither is Higgins. This team will make changes. Will be interesting to see what they do. Knowing Gainey, it will only be minor tinkering.

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colossal overpayment.
Ha funny I was looking at this deal and telling myself that the Panthers would never do it. THey would rpbebly look for:

Higgins, Latendresse, O'byrne + 1st + Pick/other prospect

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The Panthers maybe in a position to move Jokinen , his time may have run out .

A very realistic deal is Higgins , Obyrne, and a solid prospect like Subban or Emelin, plus a pick .

They need D in big way , we need a big center .

He has 2 years left on a fair deal , and would be an ideal# 1 center for us. They get a good player , 5 years younger , and 2 kids .

We have plenty of D prospects , other than McDonough I would move any of them.

what do you think ?

Dude,

Habs would be paying Waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much.

Next!

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I don't think the Kostys are untouchable myself. Neither is Higgins. This team will make changes. Will be interesting to see what they do. Knowing Gainey, it will only be minor tinkering.
Think you are absolutely correct on both counts!

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I would move Plekanec instead of Higgins. I don't want O'Byrne or Emelin to go anywhere, but it's not a deal breaker.

Koivu probably knows Olli pretty well, so we'd have a great scouting report on him. He's no Getzlaf, but he'd be a huge upgrade over Plekanec.
I think it's important to look at the future of the team. We can only count on Koivu being a top 6 center for another season or two. If we deal Plekanec for Jokinen, then we're still looking for a top 6 center, maybe as soon as next season.

Plekanec is also an accomplished left winger. If we get Jokinen and keep Plekanec, we can use him at left wing, and when Koivu slows down a bit more we have centers a-la Dallas right now. Jokinen, Plekanec, Koivu with Chipchura or Lapierre rounding out the 4.

Next season it looks like (using arbitrary lines):

Plekanec-Jokinen-Kovalev
SKost-Koivu-AKost
Lats-Chipchura-Kosto
Begin-Lapierre-Stewart?

Then down the line it's (again, arbitrary lines):

Latendresse-Jokinen-AKost
SKost-Plekanec-MaxPac
____-Koivu-_____
____-Lapierre/Chipchura-_____

I don't know how it would work, but if we can deal Jokinen without dealing Plekanec that would make for a VERY secure future at center. Listen to me go on. I'm not even a Jokinen fan.

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I think it's important to look at the future of the team. We can only count on Koivu being a top 6 center for another season or two. If we deal Plekanec for Jokinen, then we're still looking for a top 6 center, maybe as soon as next season.

Plekanec is also an accomplished left winger. If we get Jokinen and keep Plekanec, we can use him at left wing, and when Koivu slows down a bit more we have centers a-la Dallas right now. Jokinen, Plekanec, Koivu with Chipchura or Lapierre rounding out the 4.

Next season it looks like (using arbitrary lines):

Plekanec-Jokinen-Kovalev
SKost-Koivu-AKost
Lats-Chipchura-Kosto
Begin-Lapierre-Stewart?

Then down the line it's (again, arbitrary lines):

Latendresse-Jokinen-AKost
SKost-Plekanec-MaxPac
____-Koivu-_____
____-Lapierre/Chipchura-_____

I don't know how it would work, but if we can deal Jokinen without dealing Plekanec that would make for a VERY secure future at center. Listen to me go on. I'm not even a Jokinen fan.
Plekanec sucks when playing LW.

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I'm not sure I like the idea of trading away the younger parts of the team. It's a bit counter productive if you ask me since one of the important parts of building a team is having them grow together.

I do think that Habs are a bit too much of an East-West team, but that's normal since the MVP of the team defines that style of play.

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You gotta give to receive. But yes, it's a steep price for something we badly need.
From what I saw of the series, defence and goaltending were more to blame than our centres. Pleks wasn't good, but the upgrade of Jokinen over Pleks isn't worth the package mentioned.

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I would do it and go with three offensive lines.

AKost - Jokinen - Kovalev
Latendresse - Koivu - D'agostini
Grabo/Striet - Plekanec - Sergei
Kosto - Chipchura - Lapierre

extra: begin

Then your D looks like

Markov - Komi
Hammer - Valentenko
Bouillion - Gorges
extra: Breezer

Okay so looking at this you either need a winger as a UFA signing or a Defenceman UFA signing.

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Jokinen is barely a centre TBH...

He's Not really good defensively ...
He SUCKS on faceoffs
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And he isn't a really great playmaker either.

That being said... if we need a big, talented LWer, he's our man.

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Jokinen along with spectacular goaltending in Luongo/Vokoun are the only reason Florida doesn't finish in 15th spot in the Eastern Conference year after year. For people who are bashing his skillset or only pointing out his drawbacks you should give your head a shake. This is a player who plays along side players like David Booth (who???) and Richard Zednik and still manages to put up very good numbers. Problem is that Florida already messed up trading away a franchise player in Luongo very recently and I'm sure they've learned from their mistakes. They are looking to redeem themselves if they plan to trade Jokinen. He won't come keep.

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