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05-06-2008, 12:04 PM
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OT: fined (need some advice)

Ok. So this morning I walk inside the montreal metro with my student weekly pass (I am 19years old) and I am stopped by a cop. Basically, I am told that I am not allowed to have the student pass because I am 19 and that I should have the adult pass. Therefore, I receive a nice 214$ ticket. I just don't understand why so much for buying a student weekly pass. I am a student (college and stuff), and even if they have the right to fine me, which I assume they do, why that much? Isn't that the same amount as if I were to be speeding in a school zone or causing danger to the public? Anyways, any advice or similar problems.

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Ok. So this morning I walk inside the montreal metro with my student weekly pass (I am 19years old) and I am stopped by a cop. Basically, I am told that I am not allowed to have the student pass because I am 19 and that I should have the adult pass. Therefore, I receive a nice 214$ ticket. I just don't understand why so much for buying a student weekly pass. I am a student (college and stuff), and even if they have the right to fine me, which I assume they do, why that much? Isn't that the same amount as if I were to be speeding in a school zone or causing danger to the public? Anyways, any advice or similar problems.
If the fine was small, people wouldn't care and would continue buying the student pass, especially since it's dirt cheap compared to the full one (like half-price?)

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its about 18$/ month...
its very very high.

I recieved a 242$ fine for high speed 110 in a abandoned construction zone (70Km/h)

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If the fine was small, people wouldn't care and would continue buying the student pass, especially since it's dirt cheap compared to the full one (like half-price?)
Contest the fine and say whoever sold it to you should have asked for ID because you weren't sure of the rules.

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If you are actually a full time student, you should fight this.
What is the cost of a student pass as opposed to an adult pass?

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Contest the fine and say whoever sold it to you should have asked for ID because you weren't sure of the rules.
Contesting will only delay things but the results may be the same. I know because i contested a seatbelt ticket a few years ago and it was a complete waste of time since i lost my cause. I thought that i had excellent counter arguments but in the end it was an EPIC FAIL.

My advice would be to just pay it and move on.

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Does it state anywhere that you must be a FULL time student?
If not presenting a valid student ID or a transcript of some sort should get you off.

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Just pay the fine. If you don't have the cash, contest it, but realistically that's only going to delay the payment. You'll still have to pay it.

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well that sucks...unfortunately there's nothing you can do about it.

I once got arrested (I didn't go quietly) and fined when i was 16 for taking the bus and not having my student id card, despite the fact that I was wearing my school uniform and the entire bus was filled with students from my school.

B*stards!!

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Does it state anywhere that you must be a FULL time student?
If not presenting a valid student ID or a transcript of some sort should get you off.
It's only for high school students, or so I was told when I was in Montreal in round 1. Otherwise I would have used it.

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If you're a full-time student you shouldn't have been fined in the first place. if you're not a full-time student then ya you should have an adult pass. or where ever you go to school, im assuming college/university does your place offer its own passes? i know my college we get a little sticker thats a student bus pass and its placed on a student ID cards, and we use that.

and i guess it would depend where you are, im sure it varies across canada.


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It's only for high school students, or so I was told when I was in Montreal in round 1. Otherwise I would have used it.
So at 19, you're pretty much screwed. Look at it this way the savings you got for the months you used it can go towards the fine.

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If you are actually a full time student, you should fight this.
What is the cost of a student pass as opposed to an adult pass?
If you're over 18 and a full time student then you should have an intermediate pass I think.

I myself once got a ticket because I was taking the train and i had a ticket and my student pass but I didn't have the AMT reduced fare card. $120 for a technicality. Their really lame and they'll get you for anything. You can try contesting but it din't work for me.

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I don't understand.

As of a few years ago, you could have a student pass as long as you were less than 25 years old and attending school full time (whether that's high school, cegep, university). They verify this when you apply for that photo ID you're supposed to carry around when you use the student pass.

When did it change to 19?

Did you have the photo ID with you?

Is this something related to the weekly pass and not the monthly?

Sounds fishy unless they changed the rules in the last couple years.

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I don't understand.

As of a few years ago, you could have a student pass as long as you were less than 25 years old and attending school full time (whether that's high school, cegep, university). They verify this when you apply for that photo ID you're supposed to carry around when you use the student pass.

When did it change to 19?

Did you have the photo ID with you?

Sounds fishy unless they changed the rules in the last couple years.
18-25 is for a student monthly pass.
The weekly one is what got him fined, I think.
That's why they have so many types. So they can catch you and fine you.

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did you had your pass like when you were 18 that might help , well its my case i hope i dont get fined lol

good luck to get rid of that fine man

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18-25 is for a student monthly pass.
The weekly one is what got him fined, I think.
That's why they have so many types. So they can catch you and fine you.
Ah, gotcha. Makes sense. I never had the opportunity to use the reduced fair but my gf was using it regularly up until 4-5 years back but it was the monthly.

Cheers for the clarification!

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Ok. So this morning I walk inside the montreal metro with my student weekly pass (I am 19years old) and I am stopped by a cop. Basically, I am told that I am not allowed to have the student pass because I am 19 and that I should have the adult pass. Therefore, I receive a nice 214$ ticket. I just don't understand why so much for buying a student weekly pass. I am a student (college and stuff), and even if they have the right to fine me, which I assume they do, why that much? Isn't that the same amount as if I were to be speeding in a school zone or causing danger to the public? Anyways, any advice or similar problems.

1.)Given your stated age you should have had the Student 18-25 pass, not the regular student pass(under 18).

2.)You do not mention showing school ID that would prove that you are actually and presently a student so the assumption is that without such ID you are not a student.

3.)Assuming you are a student, then the student society at your school should have access to legal advice re your situation. If not, call one of the student societies at McGill,Dawson,Concordia,Vanier. A bit of initiative will get you the numbers.

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That's harsh that they don't have a student pass for college/university students. In many cases, they need the discount more than high school students.

Student passes are for both HS and university/college in Ottawa...

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if ur 18-25 ur not eligilble for weekly student pass
u need the Monthly "privledge pass"
ur at fault, sorry to break it to u

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That's harsh that they don't have a student pass for college/university students. In many cases, they need the discount more than high school students.

Student passes are for both HS and university/college in Ottawa...
They do. It's just the one he used was for HS students, and there is a monthly one for College/Uni.

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actually.. How hold were u on September 1, 2007?


if "you are aged under 18 on September 1;"
then you can contest and win,
cite: http://www.stm.info/English/info/a-ecolie.htm

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Ok. So this morning I walk inside the montreal metro with my student weekly pass (I am 19years old) and I am stopped by a cop. Basically, I am told that I am not allowed to have the student pass because I am 19 and that I should have the adult pass. Therefore, I receive a nice 214$ ticket. I just don't understand why so much for buying a student weekly pass. I am a student (college and stuff), and even if they have the right to fine me, which I assume they do, why that much? Isn't that the same amount as if I were to be speeding in a school zone or causing danger to the public? Anyways, any advice or similar problems.
Did you try burning a cop car? That's how us Habs fans handle things....

On a realistic level, for small stuff like this, challenge the fine in court. A lot of times, the cop who signed the ticket doesn't feel like showing up to provide his case in such a petty situation (in Ontario, that's enough to get it thrown out). I've seen it work for drinking in public charges and the like on several occasions.

If that doesn't work, just plead ignorance on your part, incompetence on the seller and play the "poor university student" card. That might create some leniance or sympathy for you, which can get you a reduced fine. If none of this works, tough break.

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contest it. i sure as hell wouldnt pay it.

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