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Poll: Blues #4 Prospect

View Poll Results: Who is the Blues' 4th best prospect?
David Backes 3 14.29%
Konstantin Barulin 1 4.76%
Shawn Belle 8 38.10%
Alexandre Bolduc 1 4.76%
Trevor Byrne 2 9.52%
Colin Hemingway 3 14.29%
Robin Jonsson 0 0%
John Pohl 1 4.76%
Curtis Sanford 0 0%
Alexei Shkotov 2 9.52%
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05-20-2004, 08:46 AM
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Poll: Blues #4 Prospect

1. Peter Sejna
2. Konstantin Zakharov
3. Jay McClement

My vote goes to Belle... how he went from 5 votes in the #2 prospect poll to 0 in the #3 prospect poll is beyond me. :lol

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I don't think belle is anywhere near nhl ready

my vote would go to greg black

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I don't think belle is anywhere near nhl ready

my vote would go to greg black
Maybe you're misunderstanding what these polls are for. This is for the top prospects, not the most NHL ready prospects. I listed what things should be taken into consideration in the first poll.

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I voted Belle. His upside is clearly the highest of the remaining guys although if some of those kids actually panned out, like Barulin and Troliga, that'd be great. Troliga is flying under the radar for most of us Blues fans but this guy will be a really nice NHLer one day, IMO. Esp. if his skating improves which was to my eyes the only real glaring weakness in his game. He's never going to be an offensive force but he'll be a dominant face off man and a really strong physical presence down the middle in 2 years. Joel Otto-type.

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I went with Shkotov, almost because I "hope" he pans out, as opposed to actually "knowing" he'll become a top 6 forward.

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Maybe you're misunderstanding what these polls are for. This is for the top prospects, not the most NHL ready prospects. I listed what things should be taken into consideration in the first poll.

sorry..thought I'd read all the way through the first one..guess not..although it does say to take NHL readiness into consideration

that isn't all I took into consideration by choosing black over belle...but it was part of it


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I picked Belle (should have on the no. 3 prospect aslo). I think that he can be a top pairing Dman. I know that the knock is lack of "awareness/sence." Both of those can be worked on, and as he gains more knowledge/experience, I think we will see less talk of his lack of D awareness from other scouts.

Right now, according to reports, he can skate at the NHL level. As long as he continues to work on the rest of his game, I think he will become a very strong NHL player.

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This is why I think HF's way of ranking prospects is incredibly stupid...a player that is ready to make the jump next season HAS to be ranked higher then some 18 year old that's 4 years away, even if the first player will be a 3rd line defensive specialist vs a possible 1st line phenom.

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This is why I think HF's way of ranking prospects is incredibly stupid...a player that is ready to make the jump next season HAS to be ranked higher then some 18 year old that's 4 years away, even if the first player will be a 3rd line defensive specialist vs a possible 1st line phenom.
I agree with that, for the most part.

I went with Backes again, and will continue to do so until he finally wins. I understand why people are viting for Belle, but I believe that both Backes and Barulin are better prospects. I honestly wasn't all that thrilled with the selection of Belle in the first place; I would have gone with Vojtech Polak.

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This is why I think HF's way of ranking prospects is incredibly stupid...a player that is ready to make the jump next season HAS to be ranked higher then some 18 year old that's 4 years away, even if the first player will be a 3rd line defensive specialist vs a possible 1st line phenom.
That's absurd... you're basically saying that we should completely ignore the potential of a player.

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That's absurd... you're basically saying that we should completely ignore the potential of a player.
No, I don't think that's what he's saying at all. I think that what he's saying -- and what I agree with -- is that the potential of a player should not be more of a determining factor than the actual NHL-readiness of a player.

Certainly, an Alexei Shkotov has more potential than, say, a Jame Pollock. But if Pollock is more ready at this time to play in the NHL (and he is), then that NHL-readiness needs to be taken into consideration, along with many, many other factors that all go into the ranking of a prospect among his peers.

That doesn't necessarily mean that Pollock should be ranked higher as a prospect than Shkotov... but it also doesn't mean that Pollock's age, experience, and relative progression on his own development path should be dismissed, either.

It's kind of hard to put into words, but essentially, I'm saying that a "good" prospect isn't always a potential 50-goal man. There are few legitimate stars, and even fewer roster spots for them. A potential third-line checker who can shut down one of those stars on a nightly basis, and also chip in a goal or two himself at opportune times, is, in my opinon, as good a prospect as the whiz-bang, "can't-miss" flashy goal scorer... because you need the checkers in order for your team to be a success, perhaps even more so than you need the goal scorers.

Look at Calgary... they have Iginla and eleven muckers on their forward lines. But they're going to the Finals, while star-laden Dallas, Detroit, Colorado and St. Louis are home watching them on the tube.

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I think maybe there should be 2 lists. One for skill level, and another for NHL readiness. It's actually a pretty difficult situation.

Say we drafted Sidney Crosby next year, but decide he's 1-2 years away from playing in the NHL. Who gets our #1 prospect spot? Sid or the next "NHL-ready" prospect.

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No, I don't think that's what he's saying at all. I think that what he's saying -- and what I agree with -- is that the potential of a player should not be more of a determining factor than the actual NHL-readiness of a player.
That's exactly what I'm saying.

The ability of a player to compete in the NHL right now should have some bearing on the rankings, but it doesn't. All the rankings on this site are based on a player's final potential, but no where does his actual ability right now matter.

Not to change the subject, but how far back does the current HF rating system go back and how accurate have those ratings been? I'm curious to see how well players in the past have been ranked.

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I think maybe there should be 2 lists. One for skill level, and another for NHL readiness. It's actually a pretty difficult situation.

Say we drafted Sidney Crosby next year, but decide he's 1-2 years away from playing in the NHL. Who gets our #1 prospect spot? Sid or the next "NHL-ready" prospect.
I'm not saying that a players potential should be ignored, it's just that a player's current ability to compete isn't really figured into the equation.

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I'm not saying that a players potential should be ignored, it's just that a player's current ability to compete isn't really figured into the equation.

Sorry I wasn't asking that question as if I knew the answer, I was curious as to where you actually think Sidney should rank?

I understand your point, and I actually thought that was kind of how the rankings were on hf. Since some players with lower ratings were higher up on the lists (unless I'm a complete idiot and they aren't).

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Im goin with barulin agian on this one.

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That's exactly what I'm saying.

The ability of a player to compete in the NHL right now should have some bearing on the rankings, but it doesn't. All the rankings on this site are based on a player's final potential, but no where does his actual ability right now matter.

Not to change the subject, but how far back does the current HF rating system go back and how accurate have those ratings been? I'm curious to see how well players in the past have been ranked.
Personally, I do and always have take current ability into consideration... that's why I'd rank McClement in the top few despite the fact that a number of prospects have more potential.

That said... I know what you mean. If you look at baseball prospect ranking publications, it's all about current talent.

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