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05-07-2008, 10:42 AM
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I've thought about Malone being close to the prototype of what we experts think is needed, but he's a Pittsburgh boy, and he might be signable for them, as Hossa probably isn't. I like the way he's played the last half of the year though.
Agreed, Mcphee. I really think there is NO WAY he signs for Montreal. I hope I'm wrong.

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05-07-2008, 10:49 AM
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I'm sorry, I need something cleared up. Does the title of the thread say "Possible trade" or "Trade that will never happen in a million years because Both Feaster and Gainey aren't retarded"?

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I'm sorry, I need something cleared up. Does the title of the thread say "Possible trade" or "Trade that will never happen in a million years because Both Feaster and Gainey aren't retarded"?
either/or

also i concur with the masses about malone.. hes going to want to "stay home" so to speak, hes got it made with the team he has around him and his hometown.. just depends on how much he wants/thinks hes worth and if those figures and what the team can afford are remotely close (ie. is the hometown discount actually a "discount" at all).

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Why not?

We almost landed Ilya Kovalchuk (the 1st overall draft pick) in 2001 for Jose Theodore and some other players and draft picks from us.

WE SHOULD OF DONE IT!
Jaro Halak is no Jose Theodore (at the time). And Tomas Plekanec doesn't make up the difference.

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Agreed, Mcphee. I really think there is NO WAY he signs for Montreal. I hope I'm wrong.
Agreed. Malone is staying in Pittsburgh I would think, if not I think he'll go to another US team probably on the East Coast.

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05-07-2008, 11:05 AM
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I'm sorry, I need something cleared up. Does the title of the thread say "Possible trade" or "Trade that will never happen in a million years because Both Feaster and Gainey aren't retarded"?
There is a chance Feaster might be retarded but this trade is so dumb. Even if Montreal wins the deal it makes absolutely no sense for them as they would be taking a step back this year as Pleks is a huge part of their team.

Also Tampa needs to retool for the future and by drafting Stamkos they are getting a guy they can build their team around.

How about:

To Montreal: Lecavalier
To Tampa: Plekanec, Grabovski, Carle, 1st rounder in '08 and 2nd rounder in '09 and even toss in D'Ago if needed

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05-07-2008, 11:09 AM
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They already traded for a starting goalie in Mike Smith. They have Vinny to play with St. Louis and if they were seeking another center to play with St. Louis I would imagine some size would be sought.

I highly doubt that Tampa would consider this trade particularly since they will look to have Stamkos join the team right away.

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05-07-2008, 11:29 AM
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Just a suggestion and possible trade.

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05-07-2008, 11:34 AM
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Even if it did happen, the biggest problem with it from my perspective is that you're counting on Stamkos being able to play next season in Montreal in a top 6 role. There's no guarantee that he's capable of doing that, and if it doesn't happen you're left with Chipchura (?) as your 2nd line center?

For as good a player as Stamkos will be, the trade hurts both teams.

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05-07-2008, 12:46 PM
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Just a suggestion and possible trade.

But thats the thing....its not a possible trade because its not realistic. Tampa Bay didn't tank the season to get the 1st overall pick to trade it away, and even if they did want to trade the pick, they would want more than that for it.

Stamkos is going to be a good player in the NHL someday, but he isn't what the Habs need RIGHT NOW. We have too many young, inexperienced forwards now....thats part of the reason why we were put out by the Flyers.

We need to get more size and grit upfront. We need a big veteran centermen or winger who can handle the physical play and also score points and Stamkos doesn't bring that to the table right now.

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05-07-2008, 01:13 PM
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Tampa has already traded for a starting goalie, when they traded richards to Dallas. Bad trade!

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05-07-2008, 01:16 PM
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can we please change the title of the thread, its kinda confusing...

i thought there was a REAL possible trade rumoured to happen with habs and bolts

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05-07-2008, 01:38 PM
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I was thinking of this (possible) trade with Tampa Bay:

To Montreal
2008 1st overall draft pick (Steven Stamkos)
Jussi Jokinen (shootout specialist)
Andre Roy (toughness and grit)

To Tampa Bay
2008 25th overall draft pick
Jaroslav Halak (starting goalie)
Tomas Plekanec (center for Martin St. Louis)
David Fischer (defensive depth)

I think the trade works out for both organizations because we get the 1st overall pick in the NHL entry draft that can play for us starting at the 100 year (centennial season) mark, toughness and grit in Andre Roy and a shootout specialist in Jussi Jokinen to play with fellow Saku Koivu.

The Tampa Bay lightning get there a first round draft pick, a legitimate starting goalie, a setup man for Martin St. Louis in Tomas Plekanec and defensive depth with potential NHL player David Fischer.

What do you think?

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Just a suggestion and possible trade.
Tough crowd ehhh ?

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Yeah, sure, they would trade Steven Stamkos and the guy they got for Richards

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Tough crowd ehhh ?
Well. In the crowd's defence, the title is misleading.

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Well. In the crowd's defence, the title is misleading.
Hey, I'm with the crowd, I've lit a torch and heading to the West Island later on today. [Well, I do every Wednesday but that's another story].

You know how it goes, new poster, trade idea, oncoming slaughter, wounds that change your life, and on it goes.

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Hey, I'm with the crowd, I've lit a torch and heading to the West Island later on today. [Well, I do every Wednesday but that's another story].

You know how it goes, new poster, trade idea, oncoming slaughter, wounds that change your life, and on it goes.
I consider anybody with an avatar to be fair game at this point. Bring in the tar and feathers boys. Its gonna be a long night in Beaconsfield. Heeeeeeeee Haaaaw.

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I was thinking of this (possible) trade with Tampa Bay:

To Montreal
2008 1st overall draft pick (Steven Stamkos)
Jussi Jokinen (shootout specialist)
Andre Roy (toughness and grit)

To Tampa Bay
2008 25th overall draft pick
Jaroslav Halak (starting goalie)
Tomas Plekanec (center for Martin St. Louis)
David Fischer (defensive depth)

I think the trade works out for both organizations because we get the 1st overall pick in the NHL entry draft that can play for us starting at the 100 year (centennial season) mark, toughness and grit in Andre Roy and a shootout specialist in Jussi Jokinen to play with fellow Saku Koivu.

The Tampa Bay lightning get there a first round draft pick, a legitimate starting goalie, a setup man for Martin St. Louis in Tomas Plekanec and defensive depth with potential NHL player David Fischer.

What do you think?

There is no way Tampa deals their first overall pick

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There is a chance Feaster might be retarded but this trade is so dumb. Even if Montreal wins the deal it makes absolutely no sense for them as they would be taking a step back this year as Pleks is a huge part of their team.

Also Tampa needs to retool for the future and by drafting Stamkos they are getting a guy they can build their team around.

How about:

To Montreal: Lecavalier
To Tampa: Plekanec, Grabovski, Carle, 1st rounder in '08 and 2nd rounder in '09 and even toss in D'Ago if needed
Don't think that's enough and Grabovski is worthless. TB would want more than lots of picks as they are terrible anyway at drafting.

I won't even take the time to discuss WestIslander's proposal.

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Don't think that's enough and Grabovski is worthless. TB would want more than lots of picks as they are terrible anyway at drafting.

I won't even take the time to discuss WestIslander's proposal.
Plekanec's a nice player, anyone would/should want him, but if you deal a VL, you want to suck the next year don't you ? Not stepping back far enough can make you average for a long time.

I think a better package of picks is the way to go, along with a player or 2 at least a year away.

Including a Higgins or Pleks might be necessary as Mtl would have to clear their own space, but I guess the assumption is that Koivu/Kovalev are on the downside of their time here.

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I think two solid players won't make TB much better in the standings than having one. Of course picks will have to be involved, but I don't think it would be a trade with lots and lots of picks. I think they'd ask for a pair of solid youngish established players (Higgins, Komisarek, Plekanec, Kostitsyns, Paccioretty, maybe even Gorges) plus picks and maybe another prospect.

Even though Vinny could force their hand, saying he wants to play for Montréal, the Lightning know how much he means to the Canadien, so I think they'll hold out for the deal they want.

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I think two solid players won't make TB much better in the standings than having one. Of course picks will have to be involved, but I don't think it would be a trade with lots and lots of picks. I think they'd ask for a pair of solid youngish established players (Higgins, Komisarek, Plekanec, Kostitsyns, Paccioretty, maybe even Gorges) plus picks and maybe another prospect.

Even though Vinny could force their hand, saying he wants to play for Montréal, the Lightning know how much he means to the Canadien, so I think they'll hold out for the deal they want.
i always considered it a harder sell for the team trading a guy if they demand to be traded to a specific team because it reduces the number of trading partners thus decreasing a bidding war for the player, especially a guy of VL's quality.

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i always considered it a harder sell for the team trading a guy if they demand to be traded to a specific team because it reduces the number of trading partners thus decreasing a bidding war for the player, especially a guy of VL's quality.
That's why whatever VL wants is so interesting here. He's said all the right things in TB and I'd guess he's watching how things unfold in TB. He can quietly ask to be moved to a specific destination if he chosses, but if he was to do so, doing it quietly would be the nice thing to do.

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Vinny doesn't have a no-trade clause, he just can make it be known he wants to sign for certain teams after his contract expires. So a better offer could come from a team that thinks they can convince him to stay before he hits the market.

So while the Habs could have an edge, they'd still have to outbid other teams, especially since it would almost be sure he'd resign here, so for Tampa it would almost be like trading him as if he is already signed.

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