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05-08-2008, 05:15 PM
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I didn't mean to sound overly critical, I like the look of your team, I just don't think it's overly realistic. If it is workable, sign me up.

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You think Orpik will sign for 2 mill?

An why the hell would Ryder sign a 1 year deal?
What has Orpik done to really ask for more than 2.5$? 2.0$ is realistic.

Ryder needs a look, no sense in signing him for more than 1-2 years.

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05-08-2008, 05:19 PM
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What has Orpik done to really ask for more than 2.5$? 2.0$ is realistic.

Ryder needs a look, no sense in signing him for more than 1-2 years.
What has Mara done to warrant 2 mill? Orpik is a step ahead of Mara, and I gaurentee he get at the very, very least 2.5 mill this offseason.

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What has Mara done to warrant 2 mill? Orpik is a step ahead of Mara, and I gaurentee he get at the very, very least 2.5 mill this offseason.
yeah, because for the most part he was successful in the senators/rangers series so far...itll keep going higher the further pens go

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What has Mara done to warrant 2 mill? Orpik is a step ahead of Mara, and I gaurentee he get at the very, very least 2.5 mill this offseason.
What has Mara done to warrant 2 mill? I think he's just as deserving as Orpik is of 2 mill.

Mara was making 3, he doesn't deserve 3 because his offensive game isn't where it used to be which got him that contract. A step down is good for him, because he's still worth around 2.

Orpik and Mara are two completely different types of defenseman, though. So don't get where your comparisons come from.

Ask Pittsburgh fans, they're not high on Orpik, there's a reason for that.

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Mara is good but i wouldnt go overboard for him or Orpik, for Pronger yes but for them nope

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What has Roszival done to be asking for $5 million per?Orpik is going to get close to $3 million per especially if Pittsburgh continues to advance in the playoffs.

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Not my ideal lineup, but at least you took the time to figure the cap. Speaking of which, isn't the cap supposed to jump to 56 mil over the summer?

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I posted this in another thread, i still think its our best bet...and fairly reasonable

Avery (3.5)- Dubinsky (.633)- Jagr (6) = 10.133
Prucha (1.6)- Gomez (7.357)- Ryder (4) = 12.957
Callahan (.489)- Drury (7.05) - Dawes (.364) = 7.903
Korpikowski (.615)- Betts (.615)- Sjostrom/Orr (1.4 both) = 2.63

Forwards (33.623)

Staal (.827)- Liles (3.5) = (4.327)
Tyutin (2.8)- Girardi (1.55) = (4.35)
Commodore (3.0)- Backman/Pock (3.1 both) = (6.1)

Defense (14.777)

Hank (6.875)
Valley (.750)

Goalies (7.625)

56.025 Total

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I posted this in another thread, i still think its our best bet...and fairly reasonable

Avery (3.5)- Dubinsky (.633)- Jagr (6) = 10.133
Prucha (1.6)- Gomez (7.357)- Ryder (4) = 12.957
Callahan (.489)- Drury (7.05) - Dawes (.364) = 7.903
Korpikowski (.615)- Betts (.615)- Sjostrom/Orr (1.4 both) = 2.63

Forwards (33.623)

Staal (.827)- Liles (3.5) = (4.327)
Tyutin (2.8)- Girardi (1.55) = (4.35)
Commodore (3.0)- Backman/Pock (3.1 both) = (6.1)

Defense (14.777)

Hank (6.875)
Valley (.750)

Goalies (7.625)

56.025 Total
It is certainly a do-able lineup and reasonable pricing. The only thing is bonuses will probably take place which would put you over (maybe it can transferred to 09-10 cap) but still 56.025 is cutting it awfully awfully close because it's projected anywhere between 55-56.

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05-08-2008, 06:33 PM
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Avery - Dubinsky - Jagr
Ryder - Gomez - Dawes
Malone - Drury - Korpikoski
Callahan - Betts - Sjostrom
Orr, Byers

Staal - Orpik
Klesla - Girardi
Baranka/Potter - Mara
Strudwick

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Valiquette

The money that would go to Shanny, Straka, Rozsival, Backman, Malik... Goes to Ryder, Malone, Orpik, Mara, Jagr

Shave some salary here and there by trading Backman, Prucha, Hollweg

Backman, Tyutin, Prucha to CLB for Klesla


None of this will ever happen. And im sure it is more then the estimated 56 cap.

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05-08-2008, 06:34 PM
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It is certainly a do-able lineup and reasonable pricing. The only thing is bonuses will probably take place which would put you over (maybe it can transferred to 09-10 cap) but still 56.025 is cutting it awfully awfully close because it's projected anywhere between 55-56.
I completely agree with you, and just noticed i failed to give dawes any raise (although I'm not so sure he deserves much of one). So yes with bonuses from last yr I'm sure we'd be over, but it may be doable with some work...and while our offense only gets a slight upgrade if any, the defense would be a ton better IMO, Liles Qbing the powerplay, Staal/Girardi/Tyutin all with another year experience, Commodore can be chippy, and backman and pock both have some upside, not the worst 6 and 7 in the league for sure

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Forward Lines

Avery (3.5$) - Dubinsky (633K) - Jagr (5.5$)
Dawes (950K) - Gomez (7.36$) - Ryder (3.0$)
Straka (3.0$) - Drury (7.050$) - Callahan (600K)
Korpikoski (1.02$) - Betts (615K) - Sjostrom (800K)

Other Notable Forwards

  • Colton Orr (550K) - Switches with Sjostrom when needed

Forwards Let Go from 2007-2008
  • Ryan Hollweg
  • Brendan Shanahan (Retired)
  • Petr Prucha

Newly Acquired Forwards
  • Michael Ryder (Signs a 1 year deal worth 3.0$ million)
  • Korpikoski (From Hartford)

Forward Extensions
  • Sean Avery signs one year deal worth 3.5$ million.
  • Jaromir Jagr signs one year deal worth 5.5$ million.
  • Martin Straka signs one year deal worth 3.0$ million.
  • Nigel Dawes signs two year deal worth 1.9$ million (950K cap hit).
  • Fredrik Sjostrom signs one year deal worth 800K.

Defense Lines


Orpik (2.0$) - Staal (765K)
Tyutin (2.844$) - Girardi (1.5$)
Baranka (475K) - Mara (2.0$)

Other Notable Defenseman
  • Andrew Hutchinson (475K)

Defenseman Let Go from 2007-2008
  • Michal Rozsival
  • Marek Malik
  • Jason Strudwick
  • Christian Backman

Newly Acquired Defenseman
  • Brooks Orpik (Signs two year deal worth 4$ million with a cap hit of 2$ million)
  • Ivan Baranka (From Hartford)

Defense Extensions

  • Paul Mara signs one year deal worth 2.0$ million.

Goaltenders

Henrik Lundqvist (6.875$)
Stephen Valiquette (800K)

Goaltender Extensions
  • Stephen Valiquette signs one year deal worth 800,000$.

* Not including possible bonuses for Straka, Jagr, etc.
* Cap hit of 52,948,000$ million.
I like what you have here, but I see a few problems:

1) Our defense isnt any better than last year, and still very young. (Which isnt necessarily a bad thing ). Also, we still dont have the main component we need so badly- the PP quaterback.
2) Your assuming (which is highly unlikly) that Jagr and Avery will sign one year deals, which they both publically said they dont really want to do. Avery is a little overpaid in my opinion as it is, but who knows, maybe a 2 year deal gets done.
3) Once all those 1 year deals expire, then what happens? Wouldnt it be better to start building a team around Gomez and Drury? After this year, were back to square 1 again, with one year less on both of thier contracts.

Anyway, I really like the lineup you have here. Maybe if we could Jagr and Avery for multi years and possibly Ryder. Maybe drop straka, fill it with Prucha, and get a PP point guy? Something along those lines. By the way, Backman is not an UFA

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05-08-2008, 07:52 PM
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arr, ill try, the #'s probably arent right though

avery-dubi-jagr
3.3 .6 5
dawes-gomez-afinogenov, what, afinogenov? yes, afinogenov
1.0 7.3 2.5(?)
korpedo-drury-cally
1.0 7.0 .7
sjo-betts-byers
.8 .8 .8

offense=about 30.8M

staal-campbell
.8 7.0
tyutin-girardi
2.8 1.5
baranka-mara
.8(?) 1.8

defense=about14.7M

henke=6.8
vally=.8

goalies=about 7.6M

total=about 53.1M

that leaves us about 3M to sign maybe orpik or commodore if baranka isnt ready or hutchinson sucks in the nhl

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05-09-2008, 06:55 AM
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IF Jagr signs with us, your rosters are possible. I don't think he will. Jagr and Shanny are gone, freeing cap room to hit the UFA market for two others.

Dubi is gone if Jagr is gone, or they will try him on the wing with gomez and/or drury. No way Sather is going to let 14 million of roster money rot on the 2nd and 3rd lines. If shanny comes back he's 3rd or 4th line material at best.

Of all the people on that list the only person I think that would benefit the club is shanny because of the example he portrays. All the other old timers, its time to go.

Everyone talks about the pp quarterback....ahem Drew Hutchinson, he did well for Carolina when they made their cup run...If his d work is deemed adequate I expect to see him on the club next season. He's a Sather project in the works.

Baranka should break the roster , as should artem. At least for a cup of coffee so he can get a look at nhl action. Korp will be here next season...which means we need to clear some roster space. Bye bye Jagr, Malik, Straka and Rosvial, Prucha will be traded away the Czech experiment is done. Now we are going with Russians and Swedes.

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What has Orpik done to really ask for more than 2.5$? 2.0$ is realistic.
I dearly hope you're right. Particularly because he would be a Penguin again next year if you are .

...and no, he hasn't done enough to merit the extravagant numbers bandied around, but because of his strong end to the season, playing on the first pair and probably getting Cup Final exposure, I think it'll likely be 3+ for Orpik next season.

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I dont think some of our needs are rightly being addressed.

We need a power forward and a net presence like Detroit has with Franzen and Holmstrom. Be need a Dman who can and will clear out moreso than a PP QB.

I let Rosie walk. I love Straka's play... it tends to be heads up.. his instincts are great, as is his hustle, so Id find a place for him. Shanny retires... JJ... I suppose we sign, and I wouldnt hate it... but we cant funnel the O through him... and we need more scoring depth and support... more guys who can chip in 30 goals.

I let Mara walk as well.. keeping our core of Staal, Girardi, Toots [who needs work after this post-season], and Backman, but Backman only because he's still signed.

See what happens with Baranka, Sauer, Potter and Hutchinson... sign some UFAs or make some trades for a hitting defenseman.

Bring up Korpi full time... see what happens with AA, and Prucha.

We dont need to hit a homerun and score a Marian Hossa here...

Sharp, Derek Roy, Prospal, Morrow, Parise, Rolston, Langkow, Dumont, Plekanec, Carter, Arnott, Pominville, Sturm, Vrbata, Hagman....

Non superstars who scored more goals than Jagr this regular season.

But first thing's first:

Re-sign Avery.

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IF Jagr signs with us, your rosters are possible. I don't think he will. Jagr and Shanny are gone, freeing cap room to hit the UFA market for two others.

Dubi is gone if Jagr is gone, or they will try him on the wing with gomez and/or drury. No way Sather is going to let 14 million of roster money rot on the 2nd and 3rd lines. If shanny comes back he's 3rd or 4th line material at best.

Of all the people on that list the only person I think that would benefit the club is shanny because of the example he portrays. All the other old timers, its time to go.

Everyone talks about the pp quarterback....ahem Drew Hutchinson, he did well for Carolina when they made their cup run...If his d work is deemed adequate I expect to see him on the club next season. He's a Sather project in the works.

Baranka should break the roster , as should artem. At least for a cup of coffee so he can get a look at nhl action. Korp will be here next season...which means we need to clear some roster space. Bye bye Jagr, Malik, Straka and Rosvial, Prucha will be traded away the Czech experiment is done. Now we are going with Russians and Swedes.


this would be like reverting back to the old days, give a kid a chance he comes up does brilliant then we trade him, i cant see that happening at all unless he is part of a deal for a genuine superstar.

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this would be like reverting back to the old days, give a kid a chance he comes up does brilliant then we trade him, i cant see that happening at all unless he is part of a deal for a genuine superstar.

If I played a whole season with JJ, I would look like I improved as well. JJ is not a compliemntary piece, If you can get a pp qb, or a nice PFW to play with the guys you payed 7 million a year for in exchange for dubi, would you do it? The team already has depth down the middle with more coming from the minors.

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as i said i would only move him in a package for a superstar, if he was in a package for say nash or kovalchuk i wouldn't mind but i'd much rather keep him, its only his first full year he is only going to get better with experience.

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If I played a whole season with JJ, I would look like I improved as well. JJ is not a compliemntary piece, If you can get a pp qb, or a nice PFW to play with the guys you payed 7 million a year for in exchange for dubi, would you do it? The team already has depth down the middle with more coming from the minors.
He has a point here. I'm curious to see how well Dubi plays without Jagr on his wing. I have a feeling he'll still be a solid 2nd line center even without him, but only time will tell.

Whether or not Dubi would be moved, really depends on 3 things:

1) Is AA ready to go?
2) What are we getting in return?
3) How effective is he without a superstar on his wing?

If we could move him and one of Dawes / Tyutin for a legitimate PP QB like Kaberle, or a snag a Suter / Weber / Boumeester, as much as I hate to say it, that would be the right move to make. We're very deep at center. Drury, Gomez, Dubi, AA, Betts and even Korpedo can play center. Do we really just want to hang onto all of them?

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He has a point here. I'm curious to see how well Dubi plays without Jagr on his wing. I have a feeling he'll still be a solid 2nd line center even without him, but only time will tell.

Whether or not Dubi would be moved, really depends on 3 things:

1) Is AA ready to go?
2) What are we getting in return?
3) How effective is he without a superstar on his wing?

If we could move him and one of Dawes / Tyutin for a legitimate PP QB like Kaberle, or a snag a Suter / Weber / Boumeester, as much as I hate to say it, that would be the right move to make. We're very deep at center. Drury, Gomez, Dubi, AA, Betts and even Korpedo can play center. Do we really just want to hang onto all of them?


your right he does have a point but wouldn't it be the better thing to do to see how anisimov is when he comes up? we are stacked at center but why not wait till we know for sure what the situation is rather than deal him after 1 year, i really think it would come back to bite us if we did this.

what are the stipulations in drury's no trade clause? before i get jumped on i am in no way saying trade drury, i would just like to know for sure the details.

is it he can choose any 3 teams to be traded to at the end of every year? or is that gomez?

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2) Your assuming (which is highly unlikly) that Jagr and Avery will sign one year deals, which they both publically said they dont really want to do.
Jagr said he didn't want to sign a 1 year deal? Where was that?


Cherapanov, the only problem I have with your roster is paying Straka $3.0M. I'm only really interested if he's coming at a bargain, but even then, not that interested.

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Avery will not get 3.5 - at least not in NYC.
I reckon he will get 2.5-3.0 and Jagr will get the balance to make it 6.
If Lundy is getting 6, Jagr will too.

Ryder is a nice addition but I reckon we need a more prolific guy.

I believe Rozi will stay on with the Rangers. there is no reason to let him go.
Paying Liles 3.5n? I rather keep Rosi.
I am prepared to take bets on the matter.

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IF Jagr signs with us, your rosters are possible. I don't think he will. Jagr and Shanny are gone, freeing cap room to hit the UFA market for two others.

Dubi is gone if Jagr is gone, or they will try him on the wing with gomez and/or drury. No way Sather is going to let 14 million of roster money rot on the 2nd and 3rd lines. If shanny comes back he's 3rd or 4th line material at best.

Of all the people on that list the only person I think that would benefit the club is shanny because of the example he portrays. All the other old timers, its time to go.

Everyone talks about the pp quarterback....ahem Drew Hutchinson, he did well for Carolina when they made their cup run...If his d work is deemed adequate I expect to see him on the club next season. He's a Sather project in the works.

Baranka should break the roster , as should artem. At least for a cup of coffee so he can get a look at nhl action. Korp will be here next season...which means we need to clear some roster space. Bye bye Jagr, Malik, Straka and Rosvial, Prucha will be traded away the Czech experiment is done. Now we are going with Russians and Swedes.
Dubinsky and jagr has nothing to do with each other. if jagr goes they can put Dubinsky with Callahan and Dawes, they played together in hartford.

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