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05-09-2008, 09:52 AM
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Forward Lines

Avery (3.5$) - Dubinsky (633K) - Jagr (5.5$)
Dawes (950K) - Gomez (7.36$) - Ryder (3.0$)
Straka (3.0$) - Drury (7.050$) - Callahan (600K)
Korpikoski (1.02$) - Betts (615K) - Sjostrom (800K)

Other Notable Forwards

  • Colton Orr (550K) - Switches with Sjostrom when needed

Forwards Let Go from 2007-2008
  • Ryan Hollweg
  • Brendan Shanahan (Retired)
  • Petr Prucha

Newly Acquired Forwards
  • Michael Ryder (Signs a 1 year deal worth 3.0$ million)
  • Korpikoski (From Hartford)

Forward Extensions
  • Sean Avery signs one year deal worth 3.5$ million.
  • Jaromir Jagr signs one year deal worth 5.5$ million.
  • Martin Straka signs one year deal worth 3.0$ million.
  • Nigel Dawes signs two year deal worth 1.9$ million (950K cap hit).
  • Fredrik Sjostrom signs one year deal worth 800K.

Defense Lines


Orpik (2.0$) - Staal (765K)
Tyutin (2.844$) - Girardi (1.5$)
Baranka (475K) - Mara (2.0$)

Other Notable Defenseman
  • Andrew Hutchinson (475K)

Defenseman Let Go from 2007-2008
  • Michal Rozsival
  • Marek Malik
  • Jason Strudwick
  • Christian Backman

Newly Acquired Defenseman
  • Brooks Orpik (Signs two year deal worth 4$ million with a cap hit of 2$ million)
  • Ivan Baranka (From Hartford)

Defense Extensions

  • Paul Mara signs one year deal worth 2.0$ million.

Goaltenders

Henrik Lundqvist (6.875$)
Stephen Valiquette (800K)

Goaltender Extensions
  • Stephen Valiquette signs one year deal worth 800,000$.

* Not including possible bonuses for Straka, Jagr, etc.
* Cap hit of 52,948,000$ million.
Not a bad lineup, but the terms of contract for some of the players are an absolute pipedream:

1. Jagr - (1 year at 5.5 million). While Jagr's cap hit to the Rangers was around 5 million, lets not forget he actually made closer to 9 million. Is he worth that much? No way. But Gomez and Drury are making over 7 million per and Jagr is still at least on par with those two.
2. Avery - (1 year at 3.5 million) - Why would he sign a one year deal at that price, when he could probably get a 3 year deal at or above 10 million from either the Rangers or some other team?
3. Same goes for Ryder, why the 1 year deal? These guys arent going to do the Rangers any favors.
4. Orpik - (2 years, 4 million) - He'll be one of the better defensemen on the market, and get more. In my opinion, he should be the Rangers number 1 target. The guy is a mean SOB.
5. Mara - (1 year, 2 million) - Hes making 3 million this year and was pretty effective. Hes still young and wont have to take a paycut.

Your defense also has little or no offensive ability. Drop Baranka and get a puck mover (cap permitting, of course).

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05-09-2008, 09:53 AM
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[*]Jaromir Jagr signs one year deal worth 5.5$ million.

NO WAY JAGR SIGNS FOR LESS THAN 7.5 PER FOR TWO YEARS.

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05-09-2008, 10:27 AM
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Jagr said he didn't want to sign a 1 year deal? Where was that?


Cherapanov, the only problem I have with your roster is paying Straka $3.0M. I'm only really interested if he's coming at a bargain, but even then, not that interested.
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05-09-2008, 10:29 AM
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Avery - Dubi - Jagr
Malone - Gomez- Anisimov
Cally - Drury - Dawes
Sjostrom - Betts - Korpedo

Tyutin - Girardi - Staal - Potter - Baranka - Orpik

I'm all for taking a step back for a year to get the kids in there.

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05-09-2008, 10:41 AM
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Jags said he wants a 2 year deal. If I'm not mistaken, Kovalchuk becomes a FA in the 10-11 season. We sign Jags for 2 years and replace him with Kovalchuk when he becomes available. We'd also bring back Straka for a year or two to play with Jags (if he doesn't retire).

In the meantime, we sign Rolston to a short 1 or 2 year deal. He can play on Gomez's line and the point on the PP.

We sign Orpik to be our big hitter on the blueline. We re-sign Rozsival.


Straka - Dubinsky - Jagr
Avery - Gomez - Rolston
Dawes - Drury - Cally
Byers - Betts - Orr/Sjo

Rozsival - Staal
Tyutin - Girardi
Backman - Orpik

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05-09-2008, 10:47 AM
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nice Avatar Cynical TyranT.
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05-09-2008, 10:52 AM
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Can we please get Avery off the first line? He's a marginal 2nd line player...I just don't get why everyone thinks he belongs on the 1st.

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Can we please get Avery off the first line? He's a marginal 2nd line player...I just don't get why everyone thinks he belongs on the 1st.
It's more of a matter of reuniting him with the linemates he had pre-Gomez's injury when Avery/Dub/Jags were on a tear. We saw they had chemistry yet we never went back to it even though it was the best hockey the team put out. 'If it ain't broke' sort of mentality.

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Super Aguri?! Who the hell roots for Super Aguri? Thats a weird one, Melrose... even from a Honda fan... lol
It's more of a tribute to Aguri Suzuki now that the team has been forced into bankruptcy and ceased operations this week. I admired their racing spirit and will be sad to see their grid spots empty for the rest of the season.

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05-09-2008, 11:07 AM
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Honestly, I love Jagr, but if he isn't willing to take 5.5, he can go play for Omsk IMO.

If Jagr doesn't resign..

Deals:
TOR: Prucha + Dawes + Backman + Sauer + 1st
NYR: McCabe + Ponikarovsky

Signings:
Ryder: 3yrs 9mil (3.0mil hit) -- only 3 years because hes coming off of a bad year
Huselius: 4yrs 18mil (4.5mil hit)
Orpik: 4yrs 12mil (3.0 cap hit)

Resignings:
Vally: 2 year extension (1.6/2yrs)
Baranka: 1 year extension (521k)


Avery (3.0) - Gomez (7.357) - Ryder (3.0) = 13.357
Ponikarovsky (2.1k) - Drury (7.05) - Huselius (4.5) = 13.65
Korpikoski (1.02) - Dubinsky (633k) - Byers (608k) = 2.261
Callahan (575k) - Betts (615k)- Sjostrom/Orr (1.4 both) = 2.59

Forwards (31.858)

Staal (827k) - McCabe (5.75) = (6.577)
Tyutin (2.8) - Girardi (1.55) = (4.35)
Orpik (3.0) - Baranka (521k) = (3.521)

Defense (14.448)

Hank (6.875)
Valley (800k)

Goalies (7.675)

53.981 Total


If Jagr does resign for approx 5.5, Huselius gets passed on, sign Malone for 4 and Byers goes back down. Lines look like:

Avery - Dubi - Jagr
Malone - Gomez - Ryder
Korpedo - Drury - Ponikarovsky
Callahan - Betts - Sjo/Orr

Kinda jumbles things.. if we signed Malone, I wouldn't make the McCabe deal to get Pony, so it gets kinda backwards.


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Deals:
TOR: Prucha + Dawes + Backman + Sauer + 1st
NYR: McCabe + Ponikarovsky
Not to be a ******, but that is an atrocious trade IMO

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Not to be a ******, but that is an atrocious trade IMO
no you are right and it is un-needed

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Not to be a ******, but that is an atrocious trade IMO
Care to elaborate? Its not my first choice, but it addresses some of our needs.

Toronto wants youth and picks. At the deadline, McCabe was the one they were shopping to other teams, so I imagine it will be the same in the off season. Unfortunately for the leafs, he has such a big contract that they will have a hard time moving him unless they give the other team something decent in return.

The leafs get Dawes, Prucha and Sauer for McCabe, and a first + backman for Ponikarovsky. They want to deal McCabe? Take Backmans salary off our hands. I like Liles as an alternative, but he's small. The wiser option would be to try and sign Redden, but then you still have Backman, Dawes and Prucha contributing to the cap.

Pony is a consistent ~20 goal scorer, and despite being not so great in his own end, McCabe is a beast on the power play and likes to throw his weight around occasionally.

I know I'm in the minority on this, but I'm not holding out for Dawes to be a great goal scorer. Prucha is/was good, but won't produce in the way Renney uses him.

But hey, thats why its the "my ideal lineup" thread, not "what you think of my opinion" thread.


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Anyone remember the interest in Klesla?

I wonder if we could still pull that trade off.

Tyutin, Backman, Prucha

Klesla, 2008 2nd

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Anyone remember the interest in Klesla?

I wonder if we could still pull that trade off.

Tyutin, Backman, Prucha

Klesla, 2008 2nd
I do, but I don't see it happening. Klesla has been logging tons of minutes in CLS and is coming into his own, I doubt they'd move him.

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Care to elaborate? Its not my first choice, but it addresses some of our needs.

Toronto wants youth and picks. At the deadline, McCabe was the one they were shopping to other teams, so I imagine it will be the same in the off season. Unfortunately for the leafs, he has such a big contract that they will have a hard time moving him unless they give the other team something decent in return.

The leafs get Dawes, Prucha and Sauer for McCabe, and a first + backman for Ponikarovsky. They want to deal McCabe? Take Backmans salary off our hands.

But hey, thats why its the "my ideal lineup" thread, not yours.
Well, first off Backman is a UFA so we don't really have a need to unload his salary. Secondly, McCabe is not worth his albatross of a contract - and though I have no attachment to Prucha and Sauer is increasingly becoming a question mark, Dawes is a keeper IMO. I'd rather the Rangers went out and signed a guy like Liles for what McCabe is making. Ponikarovsky addresses no need for us (especially not one worth a 1st round pick), and TBH I'd rather have Dawes or Prucha in that spot on the 3rd line.

EDIT: Sorry, don't know why I thought Backman was a UFA. Either way I'd rather deal him for a mid round DP of we need to dump his salary.

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Why the hell do all of you want Michael Ryder?? The guy is AWFUL! He's inconsistent, soft, and lazy. Ask any Montreal fan! Why do you think he was a healthy scratch through the entire play offs?? If we sign him I will yak! You guys have probably never watched him play.. he had a couple of good games which happened against the Rangers.. You can't judge a player based on that! Afinogenov's been bad last year too, but I would take him 100 times over Ryder!

Bring Rolston instead.. He also plays the wing.

As for defense, we need to try to drop rozsival and backman, and get a real #1.. Big time defensemen are incredibly important in the playoffs. Our defense is stingy and consistent, but can not handle a lot of fire power.

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Well, first off Backman is a UFA so we don't really have a need to unload his salary. Secondly, McCabe is not worth his albatross of a contract - and though I have no attachment to Prucha and Sauer is increasingly becoming a question mark, Dawes is a keeper IMO. I'd rather the Rangers went out and signed a guy like Liles for what McCabe is making. Ponikarovsky addresses no need for us (especially not one worth a 1st round pick), and TBH I'd rather have Dawes or Prucha in that spot on the 3rd line.

EDIT: Sorry, don't know why I thought Backman was a UFA. Either way I'd rather deal him for a mid round DP of we need to dump his salary.
I like Liles as well. However, he's a tiny little guy. McCabe is overpaid, there's no doubt about that. But the guy can QB the PP and can throw some good hits as well.

Actually, for some reason I thought his contract ran out after next season. Maybe I should scrap the whole thing. lol

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It's more of a tribute to Aguri Suzuki now that the team has been forced into bankruptcy and ceased operations this week. I admired their racing spirit and will be sad to see their grid spots empty for the rest of the season.
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Care to elaborate? Its not my first choice, but it addresses some of our needs.

Toronto wants youth and picks. At the deadline, McCabe was the one they were shopping to other teams, so I imagine it will be the same in the off season. Unfortunately for the leafs, he has such a big contract that they will have a hard time moving him unless they give the other team something decent in return.

The leafs get Dawes, Prucha and Sauer for McCabe, and a first + backman for Ponikarovsky. They want to deal McCabe? Take Backmans salary off our hands. I like Liles as an alternative, but he's small. The wiser option would be to try and sign Redden, but then you still have Backman, Dawes and Prucha contributing to the cap.

Pony is a consistent ~20 goal scorer, and despite being not so great in his own end, McCabe is a beast on the power play and likes to throw his weight around occasionally.

I know I'm in the minority on this, but I'm not holding out for Dawes to be a great goal scorer. Prucha is/was good, but won't produce in the way Renney uses him.

But hey, thats why its the "my ideal lineup" thread, not "what you think of my opinion" thread.
nash legwand kovalchuk that is my rangers first line lol


how about this:

Avery Dubinsky Jagr
Cole Gomez Callahan
Straka Drury Korpikoski
Sjostrom Betts Moore/Orr


Staal Redden
Girardi Orpik
Mara Strudwick
Pock 7th dman

Prucha Dawes tyutin in a trade for eric cole

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I like Liles as well. However, he's a tiny little guy. McCabe is overpaid, there's no doubt about that. But the guy can QB the PP and can throw some good hits as well.

Actually, for some reason I thought his contract ran out after next season. Maybe I should scrap the whole thing. lol
Again, I hate to be a ******, but how can ANYONE suggest McCabe?! He's the laughing stock of the Maple Leafs! Yes, he has some big hits, yes, he can QB the PP.. but he pretty much SINGLE HANDEDLY lost at least 4 or 5 games with bozo plays. His mistakes are VERY reminiscent of Ozolinsh! He SUCKS on defense.

We don't need flashy players, get steady, responsible ones.

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nash legwand kovalchuk that is my rangers first line lol


how about this:

Avery Dubinsky Jagr
Cole Gomez Callahan
Straka Drury Korpikoski
Sjostrom Betts Moore/Orr


Staal Redden
Girardi Orpik
Mara Strudwick
Pock 7th dman

Prucha Dawes tyutin in a trade for eric cole
Not bad JOrts.... Lose Struds as a full time # 6. To painful to watch full time. Add Hutch, Baranka or my boy Potter.

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Again, I hate to be a ******, but how can ANYONE suggest McCabe?! He's the laughing stock of the Maple Leafs! Yes, he has some big hits, yes, he can QB the PP.. but he pretty much SINGLE HANDEDLY lost at least 4 or 5 games with bozo plays. His mistakes are VERY reminiscent of Ozolinsh! He SUCKS on defense.

We don't need flashy players, get steady, responsible ones.
totally agree. id rather sign redden and orpik. trade tyutin prucha dawes for a gritty winger. id luv eric cole, he has speed and goes to the net, with gomez as his playmaker cole can score 35 i would think. he did play with brindamour so he is very solid in his own zone. i dont even know if tyutin prucha dawes would be enough.

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Again, I hate to be a ******, but how can ANYONE suggest McCabe?! He's the laughing stock of the Maple Leafs! Yes, he has some big hits, yes, he can QB the PP.. but he pretty much SINGLE HANDEDLY lost at least 4 or 5 games with bozo plays. His mistakes are VERY reminiscent of Ozolinsh! He SUCKS on defense.

We don't need flashy players, get steady, responsible ones.
Backman was the laughing stock of the Blues board, and who does he play for now?

And give me a break, how many guys have we seen on our current roster make stupid ass plays and cost us a game? Or at the very least cost us a goal?

Didn't our beloved Sean Avery try to make some behind the back blind pass in one of our regular season games which was picked off and led to a game winner for the other team? Backman turning the puck over behind our net in the Pens series and Dupuis beating Hank high under the cross bar? Rozsival turning the puck over trying to feed the puck to Jagr? Just because McCabe gets more heat for his mistakes, doesn't mean he's any worse than some of ours.

Didn't you say the other day that you were interested in Brian Campbell? Yeah.. theres a defensive dynamo if I've ever seen one.

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Not bad JOrts.... Lose Struds as a full time # 6. To painful to watch full time. Add Hutch, Baranka or my boy Potter.
hutch has to be resigned and baranka gets hurt too much and potter needs a few games in exhibition before i put him in top 6. u think we can get cole or a gritting winger like him. we need size. id like malone but i dont think he is a quick skater. cole is very fast.

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