HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Our biggest problem is down the middle

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
05-09-2008, 04:25 PM
  #76
David
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,007
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Istvan View Post
I'm confused. Is this supposed to be a Russian bashing thread or a rookie bashing thread?
This is supposed to be 'anyone who doesn't work hard enough' bashing thread.

David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 04:31 PM
  #77
Beakermania*
 
Beakermania*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Kingston or Hamilton
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,964
vCash: 500
Um.... Kovalev produced in the playoffs....

Beakermania* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 04:47 PM
  #78
Beaker
In My Lab Goggles
 
Beaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: In The Lab.
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,418
vCash: 500
For 'An Observer', you're not very good at it.

Beaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 05:44 PM
  #79
ECWHSWI
5M? insulting!!!
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 16,132
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by David View Post
This is supposed to be 'anyone who doesn't work hard enough' bashing thread.
says it all.

ECWHSWI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 06:44 PM
  #80
goalchenyuk
Registered User
 
goalchenyuk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: montreal
Country: Vatican City State
Posts: 8,394
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by David View Post
Granted, but since Koivu and Begin were the only ones doing this, and they are being bashed unreasonably while creampuffs like Kovalevs are being exhonerated and made heroes of, how will they learn that Koivu is to be emulated and that this is what they need to do?

Kids learn by example and not by what they're told.

This is why this team needs the Ethan Moreaus and Jason Smiths and the Morrows to surround these talented young'uns. Otherwise, they'll develop into another set of selfish, half assed ballet dancers who will disappoint us year after year.

I am still of the mind that this team can win the CUP within the next 2 to 3 years...but only if the right things are taught and the right things are rewarded!

Enough with this garabage about Koivu and French. Enough with blindly cheering on Montreal regardless of what they do. That is the Toronto Maple Leafs culture that allowed them to wallow in their self pity and mediocrity year after freaking year!

We are the Montreal Canadiens! The letters on the sweat has to mean something!
wow !

Habs finished first in the conference , first for "goals for " , first " power play " of the NHL , made 2 playoffs rounds ; and you are calling Kovalev a "creampuffs" ." or calling the players that made this great season possible " ballet dancers " .

If the Habs went that far and did that well , it was because those players gave their max all season long .Not only during the playoffs , full of energy after 3 weeks of rest .

goalchenyuk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 06:47 PM
  #81
Transported Upstater
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Take care, all. :)
Country: United States
Posts: 22,983
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habs 4 Life View Post
Easier said then done.If Mats doesn't re-sign in Toronto,he's no longer playing in the NHL IMO
You're most likely correct.

Transported Upstater is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 06:48 PM
  #82
Stephen Locke*
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Offline
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,023
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by #ZAMBONI# View Post
wow !

Habs finished first in the conference , first for "goals for " , first " power play " of the NHL , made 2 playoffs rounds ; and you are calling Kovalev a "creampuffs" ." or calling the players that made this great season possible " ballet dancers " .

If the Habs went that far and did that well , it was because those players gave their max all season long .Not only during the playoffs , full of energy after 3 weeks of rest .
So Koivu didn't contribute in Montreal's season success besides the playoffs?
Be more subtle with the Koivu bashing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by David View Post
Granted, but since Koivu and Begin were the only ones doing this, and they are being bashed unreasonably while creampuffs like Kovalevs are being exhonerated and made heroes of, how will they learn that Koivu is to be emulated and that this is what they need to do?

Kids learn by example and not by what they're told.

This is why this team needs the Ethan Moreaus and Jason Smiths and the Morrows to surround these talented young'uns. Otherwise, they'll develop into another set of selfish, half assed ballet dancers who will disappoint us year after year.

I am still of the mind that this team can win the CUP within the next 2 to 3 years...but only if the right things are taught and the right things are rewarded!

Enough with this garabage about Koivu and French. Enough with blindly cheering on Montreal regardless of what they do. That is the Toronto Maple Leafs culture that allowed them to wallow in their self pity and mediocrity year after freaking year!

We are the Montreal Canadiens! The letters on the sweat has to mean something!

No offense,but you're incredibly deluded.


Last edited by Beakermania*: 05-09-2008 at 07:10 PM.
Stephen Locke* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 06:51 PM
  #83
Maxpac
Registered User
 
Maxpac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: hockey city
Posts: 14,300
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montrealistic View Post
For 'An Observer', you're not very good at it.
Think what you want, if you can't see that we're too weak at center well there's nothing i can do about it. Just because i popped up a couple proposals that included the beloved captain this turned into a bash Maxpac at free will thread

whatever....

Maxpac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 06:55 PM
  #84
Vicious
Registered User
 
Vicious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,693
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Vicious
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxpac View Post
Think what you want, if you can't see that we're too weak at center well there's nothing i can do about it. Just because i popped up a couple proposals that included the beloved captain this turned into a bash Maxpac at free will thread

whatever....


Ok lets try it again. Make the same thread and we'll all come in and agree with you! Then we'll all hold hands and skip along on the streets. It will be funtastic.

Vicious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 07:00 PM
  #85
goalchenyuk
Registered User
 
goalchenyuk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: montreal
Country: Vatican City State
Posts: 8,394
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Kautsitsin View Post
So Koivu didn't contribute in Montreal's season success besides the playoffs?
Be more subtle with the Koivu bashing.
all the players have contributed . I just considere that Koivu wasn't a part of the players that gave their max all season long. As i said , with 3 weeks of rest , it was normal that he showed more energy than Kovalev who caried the team all season long .

goalchenyuk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 07:05 PM
  #86
Istvan
Registered User
 
Istvan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 1,305
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxpac View Post
Think what you want, if you can't see that we're too weak at center well there's nothing i can do about it. Just because i popped up a couple proposals that included the beloved captain this turned into a bash Maxpac at free will thread

whatever....
I think Montrealistic is referring to the poster David [ an observer ] and not bashing you.

Istvan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 07:12 PM
  #87
Beakermania*
 
Beakermania*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Kingston or Hamilton
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,964
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Istvan View Post
I think Montrealistic is referring to the poster David [ an observer ] and not bashing you.
I was gonna post the same thing.

People here get their panties in a knot too quick.... and I'm not just referring to maxpac, but a lot of posters on this board, and on HF in general.... Sometimes people are too quick to assume that they are being flamed or that someone from another team is trolling the board. I see far too many reported posts that honestly have nothing wrong with them.

Beakermania* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 07:50 PM
  #88
mcphee
Registered User
 
mcphee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 19,105
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by #ZAMBONI# View Post
all the players have contributed . I just considere that Koivu wasn't a part of the players that gave their max all season long. As i said , with 3 weeks of rest , it was normal that he showed more energy than Kovalev who caried the team all season long .
Z. this is beneath you. This is just sneaky and back handed. You don't like Koivu, you've always been clear. So, when he has a good stretch, you're pleased that the team won, but displeased that they guy you don't like, played well.

So now, when it's over, you say , yeah he played well, but he's been taking it easy all year, no wonder. I think you know that Koivu hasn't been loafing, taking it easy. He had games and a specific period this year where he was ineffective, and the team was lucky other players picked up the slack.

I've always thought you knew your hockey, if you believe the guy was taking it easy all year, well you shouldn't let personal prejudice cloud your judgement.

mcphee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 08:50 PM
  #89
goalchenyuk
Registered User
 
goalchenyuk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: montreal
Country: Vatican City State
Posts: 8,394
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcphee View Post
Z. this is beneath you. This is just sneaky and back handed. You don't like Koivu, you've always been clear. So, when he has a good stretch, you're pleased that the team won, but displeased that they guy you don't like, played well.

So now, when it's over, you say , yeah he played well, but he's been taking it easy all year, no wonder. I think you know that Koivu hasn't been loafing, taking it easy. He had games and a specific period this year where he was ineffective, and the team was lucky other players picked up the slack.

I've always thought you knew your hockey, if you believe the guy was taking it easy all year, well you shouldn't let personal prejudice cloud your judgement.
Nowhere i said that he he was taking it easy all season long . I said that he didn't give his max all season long ; that doesn't mean that he was playing bad all the time . I would say that he played well for around 50 games last season . I don't considere that it was enough to say he gave his best all season long , if you compare to Plekanec or Kovalev who played well for around 75 games .

goalchenyuk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 10:26 PM
  #90
Corey
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,300
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by #ZAMBONI# View Post
all the players have contributed . I just considere that Koivu wasn't a part of the players that gave their max all season long. As i said , with 3 weeks of rest , it was normal that he showed more energy than Kovalev who caried the team all season long .
Without Koivu the Habs wouldn't have finished first in the conference or the division and wouldn't have been a seeded team in the playoffs. They might not even have made the playoffs. Without Koivu the Habs wouldn't have won even one game against Philadelphia. Why are you going out of your way to diminish what he has done for this team? In the 1960s, the Habs didn't always win the Cup, much less come in first in a 6-team NHL, even with Béliveau, Geoffrion, Henri Richard, Gilles Tremblay, J-C Tremblay, Jacques Laperriere, Plante, Cournoyer, Provost, Rousseau, and all the other heroes. I wouldn't have complained. Why are you constantly whining about Koivu? Did your dog pee on your oriental rug? Are you settling into a miserable old age? Are you unhappy with your life?

Corey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-09-2008, 11:55 PM
  #91
Kirk Muller
Registered User
 
Kirk Muller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Brrr -18, Gomez Cold
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,086
vCash: 500
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. It couldn't be habs offseason if we didn't have Z coming up with less than believable reasoning to dislike Koivu.

"Koivu didn't give his max this season. How do I know this? I don't really have any proof or bring anything substantial to back my reasoning to dislike him but common guys he didn't give his max, can't you see that. He just didn't. Really guys i don't have an agenda its just can't you see, no max effort, simple as that."

Kirk Muller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-10-2008, 12:02 AM
  #92
David
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,007
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brieremania View Post
Um.... Kovalev produced in the playoffs....
Uh, no. Not when it really mattered.

And he still tried to float around trying to make ineffective pretty plays again and again even when he saw that it wasn't working against the harder working Philly players...then he disappeared for long stretches...and don't recall him ever fighting for a puck in the whole 2nd round.

David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-10-2008, 12:04 AM
  #93
Chomsky
Registered User
 
Chomsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,982
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by David View Post
Uh, no. Not when it really mattered.

And he still tried to float around trying to make ineffective pretty plays again and again even when he saw that it wasn't working against the harder working Philly players...then he disappeared for long stretches...and don't recall him ever fighting for a puck in the whole 2nd round.
L2watch hockey. He was the #1 player targeted. He ALWAYS had one extra man covering him, making most passing lines void or his life really complicated along the boards. Philly just did an excellent job at containing him.

Chomsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-10-2008, 12:45 AM
  #94
Beakermania*
 
Beakermania*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Kingston or Hamilton
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,964
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
L2watch hockey. He was the #1 player targeted. He ALWAYS had one extra man covering him, making most passing lines void or his life really complicated along the boards. Philly just did an excellent job at containing him.
And yet he was still at his PPG pace in that series.... tied game one in clutch time... and had 2 points in our must win backs against the wall game.

Beakermania* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-10-2008, 01:53 AM
  #95
Habs10Habs
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Habs10Habs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 52,367
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by David View Post
Uh, no. Not when it really mattered.

And he still tried to float around trying to make ineffective pretty plays again and again even when he saw that it wasn't working against the harder working Philly players...then he disappeared for long stretches...and don't recall him ever fighting for a puck in the whole 2nd round.
I'll agree that he did turn over the puck many times against the flyers, especially right in the slot. But as for disappearing for long stretches, I don't agree with that.

What I did notice was that he drew a lot of attention from the flyer players. He also worked hard along the boards and took a lot of abuse *extra slashes, a few cheap shots*. Kovalev needs space to be able to create his magic, and give the flyers credit. They gave him no space whatsover and paid a lot of attention to him on the PP.

After what he did for us during the season, I was hoping for more from Kovalev. But I can honestly say that I wasn't disappointed with his effort.

__________________
This is not a time to say goodbye. This is a time to say 'thank you'.

- Ken Dryden
Habs10Habs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-10-2008, 02:00 AM
  #96
Habs
Registered User
 
Habs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,478
vCash: 500
I thought this was going to be a sexy thread.

Habs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-10-2008, 08:58 AM
  #97
Habnot
 
Habnot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,609
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcphee View Post
Z. this is beneath you. This is just sneaky and back handed. You don't like Koivu, you've always been clear. So, when he has a good stretch, you're pleased that the team won, but displeased that they guy you don't like, played well.

So now, when it's over, you say , yeah he played well, but he's been taking it easy all year, no wonder. I think you know that Koivu hasn't been loafing, taking it easy. He had games and a specific period this year where he was ineffective, and the team was lucky other players picked up the slack.

I've always thought you knew your hockey, if you believe the guy was taking it easy all year, well you shouldn't let personal prejudice cloud your judgement.
Especially true since Koivu never benefited from wingers to compliment his style. Higgings and Ryder had sub-par seasons and even when S.Kost was added, it was not the type of winger Koivu needed. Having two playmakers on one line does not help.

Habnot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-10-2008, 09:15 AM
  #98
SOLR
Registered User
 
SOLR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Toronto / North York
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,793
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Transported Upstater View Post
You're most likely correct.
Not sure I agree, a little 2 years in Detroit would be more than enticing I am sure. The wings would be a huge favorite in signing him, they are in the western conference, less sensibilities with fans and the whole Swedish family is over there.

SOLR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-10-2008, 09:37 AM
  #99
icerocket
Registered User
 
icerocket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Atlantis
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,372
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habnot View Post
Especially true since Koivu never benefited from wingers to compliment his style. Higgings and Ryder had sub-par seasons and even when S.Kost was added, it was not the type of winger Koivu needed. Having two playmakers on one line does not help.
Koivu played with almost everyone this season and was never able to build up some chemistry. Although we do need him on the team, he really gave the habs a boost when he came back. We need another superstar to help Kovalev, he can't carry the team by himself.

icerocket is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-10-2008, 01:07 PM
  #100
Istvan
Registered User
 
Istvan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: SoCal
Posts: 1,305
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcphee View Post
Z. this is beneath you. This is just sneaky and back handed. You don't like Koivu, you've always been clear. So, when he has a good stretch, you're pleased that the team won, but displeased that they guy you don't like, played well.

So now, when it's over, you say , yeah he played well, but he's been taking it easy all year, no wonder. I think you know that Koivu hasn't been loafing, taking it easy. He had games and a specific period this year where he was ineffective, and the team was lucky other players picked up the slack.

I've always thought you knew your hockey, if you believe the guy was taking it easy all year, well you shouldn't let personal prejudice cloud your judgement.
The personal prejudice concept got me thinking about the corollary. I like and respect Koivu as a player and as a person so this may cloud my judgement in the opposite way and I tend to defend him or at least cut him a lot of slack if he's going through a rough patch. Is this any better?

Istvan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:19 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.