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10-20-2007, 04:54 AM
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Goalie and Centre add up.

Defense comes up 1 point short.

Right Wing comes up 60 points short, but the Awards pdf file says Mickey Redmond 187, which would add up.

Left Wing comes up 3 points short, and the file says Mahovlich 188 and Hull 96, which would put it 3 points over.
After doubling checking everything and magnifying the clipping as much as possible:

Defence: It appears that Bergman had 24 pts, which would put the total 2 over.

Right Wing: Redmond's total is a little difficult to see, but if the file says 187 and that adds up then that's what it likely is.

Left Wing: The only one that's difficult to read is Mahovlich's. It could be 188, but Hull is definitely 93. Using those two numbers would add everything up correctly.

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This was TOUGH to find !

The 77-78 All-star voting results:

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This was TOUGH to find !

The 77-78 All-star voting results:

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GOALTENDER: (486)Ken Dryden 210; Don Edwards 126; Tony Esposito 48; Rogie Vachon 41; Bernie Parent 34; Glenn Resch 16; Gilles Meloche 3; Wayne Stephenson 3; Mike Palmateer 3; Ron Grahame 1; Billy Smith 1
DEFENSE: (972) Denis Potvin 226; Brad Park 201; Larry Robinson 200; Borje Salming 166; Serge Savard 64; Barry Beck 37; Guy LaPointe 26; Jim Schoenfeld 12; Jim Watson 9; Bob Dailey 8; Reed Larson 8; Gary Sargent 4; Phil Russell 2; Terry Harper 2; Ron Greschner 2; Ian Turnbull 1; Dave Lewis 1; Jerry Korab 1; Garry Hart 1; Tom Edur 1
CENTER: (486) Bryan Trottier 218; Darryl Sittler 176; Bobby Clarke 35; Jacques Lemaire 27; Gil Perreault 25; Jean Ratelle 2; Peter McNab 2; Dennis Maruk 1
RIGHT WING: (486) Guy Lafleur 266; Mike Bossy 78; Terry O'Reilly 69; Lanny McDonald 64; Danny Gare 4; Wilf Paiement 2; Jean Pronovost 1; Peter McNab 1; Marcel Dionne 1
LEFT WING: (486) Clark Gillies 192; Steve Shutt 186; Bill Barber 59; Craig Ramsay 16; Pat Hickey 10; Bob Gainey 9; Bob MacMillan 6; Rick Martin 6; John Marks 1; Per-Olov Brasar 1


This adds up.

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I noticed that the NHL official yearbooks go past the top-10. i have the 1996, 1997, 1998, and 1999 editions. I don't have anything you don't, based on that, but if someone has the 2003 edition, it will help complete the 01-02 results.

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I was looking through some old newspaper articles and found some info.

In 1929/30 after the top-5 for the Hart trophy there was (from the NY Times):

Norman Himes 70
Howie Morenz 60
Chuck Gardiner 60

Another article in the Globe and Mail about 31/32 didn't have the voting, but said that Morenz won by a single vote over Ching Johnson. Hooley Smith was in third place and Red Dutton in fourth.

Both the G&M and Times say that Baldy Northcott was the second Hart runner-up after Bill Cook in 1933, though I'm guessing they were both writing off the same press release, which may have been wrong.

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1924 Hart trophy
- The top three vote-getters are Frank Nighbor, Sprague Cleghorn and John Ross Roach. There's no information about the vote totals. There are two sportswriters from each city. The Toronto Star apparently dissaproves of these selections, saying, "What a fine bunch of hams they selected". (Source: Toronto Star, Wednesday, March 12, 1924).

1925 Hart trophy
- Ten sportswriters voted on the award; there were two representatives from each city. There were two Montreal franchises, the Canadiens and Maroons, but the city only had two voters. All eight votes from last year returned, and two from Boston were added. Each writer submits a list of ten players, ranked from 1 to 10 points (low to high); points are aggregated for each player.
- Billy Burch won the Hart trophy; he is the only player list on all ten ballots. Clint Benedict finishes third but is named first on the most ballots (three).

PlayerPoints1st place
Billy Burch792
Howie Morenz600
Clint Benedict583
Babe Dye501
Aurel Joliat480
Clarence Day441
Jimmy Herberts410
King Clancy300
W. "Shorty" Green282
V (Jake?) Forbes281
George Boucher160
Hooley Smith110
Frank Nighbor100
Red Green80

No further results are listed. Shorty Green must have been a love-or-hate player, finishing 9th in Hart voting despite getting 20% of the first-place votes. On the remaining ballots, he was ranked 7th, 8th, 10th, and not ranked on five. (Source: Toronto Star, Saturday, March 7, 1925)


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Easily my favourite thread on the board - it's like Christmas morning every time I see that it's been bumped.

Two things I'm eagerly looking for, in case anyone knows...one would be 1982-83 all-star voting totals for goaltenders.

The other is this - I've been calculating "Win Shares" for goaltenders on my page for awhile (with a lot of help from this thread). For instance, Patrick Roy's all-star vote totals look like this:

 PTS1st 2nd 3rd RANK SHARE
1986-87 29 1 4 12 4 0.11
1987-88 64 2 15 9 2 0.20
1988-89 291 52 10 1 1 0.92
1989-90 304 59 3 0 1 0.97
1990-91 134 1 43 0 2 0.41
1991-92 303 54 11 0 1 0.93
1992-93 2 0 0 2 7 0.01
1993-94 86 7 13 12 3 0.32
1995-96 1 0 0 1 8 0.00
1996-97 47 0 5 32 3 0.18
1997-98 1 0 0 1 6 0.00
1998-99 4 0 1 1 7 0.01
2000-01 46 3 7 10 4 0.15
2001-02 226 30 24 4 1 0.75
2002-03 12 1 1 4 6 0.04

Roy's all-star first team selections came in 1989, 1990, 1992 and 2003. 1989-90 was his most "dominant" selection, when he garnered 97% of possible vote points (304 out of a possible 310).

The trick is accurately figuring possible possible vote points for 1980-81 and earlier; since the number of first-, second- and third-place votes are hard to come by it's not easy to just calculate them directly. If anyone can help there, I'd love to know!

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in case anyone knows...one would be 1982-83 all-star voting totals for goaltenders.
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Ah, good find - thanks! Not sure how I missed that one.

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Honestly,

The NHL's site has all of the players who ever played. They really should list the voting placement that each player has for a specific trophy. Its silly that people have to go digging through copies of the Toronto Star in 1925 to find this stuff.

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Honestly,

The NHL's site has all of the players who ever played. They really should list the voting placement that each player has for a specific trophy. Its silly that people have to go digging through copies of the Toronto Star in 1925 to find this stuff.
It's not really the NHL's thing, apparently. I've found errors in the win-loss totals of Vezina-winning goaltenders, and those were in the past twenty-five years, for Pete's sake, so I can't imagine that this stuff is kept by the league in the best possible format. It takes dedicated people to get this information to be available, and I'm grateful for all of them,

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It's not really the NHL's thing, apparently. I've found errors in the win-loss totals of Vezina-winning goaltenders, and those were in the past twenty-five years, for Pete's sake, so I can't imagine that this stuff is kept by the league in the best possible format. It takes dedicated people to get this information to be available, and I'm grateful for all of them,
The league should preserve its history though. If they don't, nobody will.

It wouldn't take that long to go through the years and update the vote results. You really should be able to click on Maurice Richard's profile for example and see how many times he was a Hart Trophy finalist and where he finished each year.

At the very least, they should create a page that shows the voting of each award by year.

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Easily my favourite thread on the board - it's like Christmas morning every time I see that it's been bumped.

Two things I'm eagerly looking for, in case anyone knows...one would be 1982-83 all-star voting totals for goaltenders.

The other is this - I've been calculating "Win Shares" for goaltenders on my page for awhile (with a lot of help from this thread). For instance, Patrick Roy's all-star vote totals look like this:

 PTS1st 2nd 3rd RANK SHARE
1986-87 29 1 4 12 4 0.11
1987-88 64 2 15 9 2 0.20
1988-89 291 52 10 1 1 0.92
1989-90 304 59 3 0 1 0.97
1990-91 134 1 43 0 2 0.41
1991-92 303 54 11 0 1 0.93
1992-93 2 0 0 2 7 0.01
1993-94 86 7 13 12 3 0.32
1995-96 1 0 0 1 8 0.00
1996-97 47 0 5 32 3 0.18
1997-98 1 0 0 1 6 0.00
1998-99 4 0 1 1 7 0.01
2000-01 46 3 7 10 4 0.15
2001-02 226 30 24 4 1 0.75
2002-03 12 1 1 4 6 0.04

Roy's all-star first team selections came in 1989, 1990, 1992 and 2003. 1989-90 was his most "dominant" selection, when he garnered 97% of possible vote points (304 out of a possible 310).

The trick is accurately figuring possible possible vote points for 1980-81 and earlier; since the number of first-, second- and third-place votes are hard to come by it's not easy to just calculate them directly. If anyone can help there, I'd love to know!

Your efforts are admirable, but why adhere to the league's ridiculous point system? Most years it was 5,3,and 1 for first, second and third place votes. Maybe the first place vote should be worth 67% more points, but the second place vote should not be worth 3 times as much as the third place vote. Was that player three times better, in any circumstance? Doubtful.

And in today's league it is even more out of whack. Today's system implies that to get a first place vote is ten times more impressive than being voted 5th, and even 4th and 3rd get five and three times as many points as that player. The voter doesn't feel that they're five and three times better or more deserving of the award than the guy they voted 5th, what they most likely feel is that they're marginally better than that player, and marginally more deserving of the award. But that's not the effect of the point system.

How many times when perusing this thread have you seen a guy with (1-0-0) next to him, ahead of a player with (0-0-3) next to him? It's clear who the better guy was, but one rogue voter put him first and he ends up ahead of a more deserving candidate.

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That's a fair point - I'd counter by saying that I'm presenting this totals more to express a measure of what happened, and not (necessarily) to exhibit a measure of greatness.

Similar to how there are good goals and bad goals, but they all count the same on the scorers' sheet. Or how I'll list a player's shots and saves for a game; if he had forty saves on forty-one shots, that doesn't prove that he had a great game, it just says that he allowed one goal on forty-one shots. If a player actually got 328 points in Hart Trophy balloting in 1987-88, then that's what happened.

Personally, I like it because it shows a level of relative dominance for voting. It allows you to compare Hasek's Vezina Trophies with Jim Carey's Vezina (Carey actually only had an award share of 40% in his Vezina-winning season).

Now if we want to take it to another level to express a measure of greatness in a player's season (or career), that's another discussion. It's definiately a discussion worth having in my opinion, but I think that it's a much harder question.

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That's a fair point - I'd counter by saying that I'm presenting this totals more to express a measure of what happened, and not (necessarily) to exhibit a measure of greatness.

Similar to how there are good goals and bad goals, but they all count the same on the scorers' sheet. Or how I'll list a player's shots and saves for a game; if he had forty saves on forty-one shots, that doesn't prove that he had a great game, it just says that he allowed one goal on forty-one shots. If a player actually got 328 points in Hart Trophy balloting in 1987-88, then that's what happened.

Personally, I like it because it shows a level of relative dominance for voting. It allows you to compare Hasek's Vezina Trophies with Jim Carey's Vezina (Carey actually only had an award share of 40% in his Vezina-winning season).

Now if we want to take it to another level to express a measure of greatness in a player's season (or career), that's another discussion. It's definiately a discussion worth having in my opinion, but I think that it's a much harder question.
Fair enough, if that is what you are doing with this particular exercize, then it renders what I said basically useless at the time!

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I'm going to try to head to the library this weekend to get the all-star voting results from the globe and mail for 74 and 76. It drives me crazy that we can have those two gaps when we have everything else going back to 68.

Can anyone offer any advice? Or has anyone already checked and found that the results are not there?

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I'm going to try to head to the library this weekend to get the all-star voting results from the globe and mail for 74 and 76. It drives me crazy that we can have those two gaps when we have everything else going back to 68.

Can anyone offer any advice? Or has anyone already checked and found that the results are not there?
Hope this saves you a trip!

1974 NHL All-Stars
Source: The Globe & Mail, Tuesday, June 11, 1974, page 34, online edition

Background: "Voting, on a basis of five points for a first-place choice, three for a second and one for a third, was done by members of the Professional Writers' Association in the 16 league cities... Unanimous selections required 240 points and only Orr achieved that total... Members of the first team each receive $2,000 while those on the second get $1,000 each from the league". The write-up kept on emphasizing how well players on post-expansion teams performed.

Goalie: Bernie Parent 232, Tony Esposito 152, Gilles Gilbert 21, Rogie Vachon 17, Dan Bouchard 6, Dunc Wilson 1, Cesare Maniago 1, Gillies Meloche 1, Doug Favell 1

Comments: Interestingly, the starting goalie on the league's three best teams (breaking the 100 point barrier) finish in the top three in all-star balloting. It's really a two-man race between Parent and Esposito -- Parent leads the league in games played, wins, shutouts and GAA, while Esposito is second in each of those categories. Indeed, Parent is just 8 points away from a unanimous selection. I would imagine that Dan Bouchard (5th in GAA on a team whose defense corps consists of Manery, Quinn, Murray, Price, etc), who seemingly singlehandedly brought the 4th lowest-scoring team in the league to a playoff spot, probably deserved to do a bit better.

Defense: Bobby Orr 240, Brad Park 196, Bill White 145, Barry Ashbee 50, Guy Lapointe 42, Carol Vadnais 41, Borje Salming 32, Dave Burrows 22, Denis Potvin 21, Dick Redmond 15, Ed Van Impe 11, Phil Russel 7, Noel Price 4, Jim McKenney 4, Jacques Laperriere 4, Barclay Plager 4, Terry Harper 4, Andre Moose Dupont 4, Gilles Marotte 3, Don Awrey 3, Dallas Smith 3, Serge Savard 1, Ian Turnbull 1, Jocelyn Guvremont 1, Tom Bladon 1, Randy Monery 1, Jim Neilson 1, Larry Robinson 1, Mike Pelyk 1, Ab DeMacro 1

Comments: Bobby Orr is the only player to earn a unanimous spot (no surprises here). He has more assists than anyone else has points... and was also the only defenseman to crack the 30-goal mark. It's interesting to see how far Brad Park is from the rest of the pack... in any other era, he'd have probably won 3-5 Norris trophies. Barry Ashbee scored just 17 points and made the all-star team; it's nice to see the writers reward his rugged defensive play. It's nice to see Guy Lapointe stand far above Savard and Robison (barely missing the second all-star team); I always thought he was underrated compared to his two teammates.

Centre: Phil Esposito 238, Bobby Clarke 134, Darryl Sittler 21
Syl Apps Jr 15, Stan Mikita 11, Walt Tkaczuk 4, Gilbert Perreault 3, Denis Hextall 3, Butch Goring 1, Don Luce 1, Marcel Dionne 1

Comments: Another two-man race. Esposito has a massive lead in goals (68-38) and points (145-87), so there's no surprise that he earns a nearly-unanimous all-star selection. Bobby Clarke is a distant second in both scoring and all-star voting; he has a narrow lead in terms of offense but it's safe to say that he has better defense/intangibles than Sittler, Apps, Dionne and probably even Mikita.

Right Wing: Ken Hodge 203, Mickey Redmond 93, Bill Goldsworthy 81, Yvan Cournoyer 45, Gary Dornhoefer 3, Jim Pappin 3, Rod Gilbert 3, Pierre Plante 1

Comments: Ken Hodge might be one of the most inconsistent players in NHL history; this might have been his greatest season (3rd in scoring; only RW to top 100 points). Dick Redmond has his second consecutive 50+ goal season and earns his second consecutive all-star berth; he had already earned two Stanley Cups. Sadly, at age 26 he had a back injury; he scored just 26 goals over the next two (partial) seasons before retiring. He was on track for a HOF career. Cournoyer finished 4th in voting; he had his 6th top-ten goal-scoring finish in eight years.

Left Wing: Rick Martin 198, Wayne Cashman 59, Frank Mahovlich 38, Dennis Hull 24, Johnny Bucyk 16, Ross Lonsberry 14, Joey Johnston 3, Ted Irvine 1, Bill Barber 1, MISSING 78

Comments: A big chunk of the votes are unaccounted for, which is strange because the voting record is 100% complete for every other position. Anyway, Rick Martin, 2nd only to Phil Esposito in goal-scoring, easily takes the first-team spot. I'm surprised that Pittsburgh's Lowell McDonald (2nd in goals, 3rd in points) apparently didn't get any votes.


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1976 NHL All-Stars

Source: The Globe & Mail, Thursday, June 10, 1976, page 46, online edition

Background: Same rules as last time (five points for a first-place vote, etc) but this time there were writers from 18 cities. There were no unanimous selections.

Goalies: Ken Dryden 256, Glen Resch 167, Wayne Stephenson 38, Dan Bouchard 10, Wayne Thomas 9, Tony Esposito 5, Denis Herron 3, Gilles Gilbert 1, Gilles Meloche 1, Cesare Maniago 1, OVER -5

Commentary: Dryden takes the first all-star spot by a huge margin, as he leads the NHL in wins, shutouts and GAA. It looks like Resch has a "Miika Kiprusoff in 2004" kind of season - even though he played just 44 games (14th in the league), he's narrowly behind Dryden in shutouts and GAA despite playing on a clearly weaker team. It's interesting to note that Resch apparently badly outplays co-starter Bill Smith (2.07 vs 2.61 GAA). Note that I have 5 more voting points than there should be.

Defense: Denis Potvin 255, Brad Park 183, Guy Lapointe 131, Borje Salming 123, Serge Savard 85, Jim Watson 66, Dave Burrows 20, Larry Robinson 13, Carol Vadnais 11, Andre Dupont 10, Jean Potvin 10, Jim Schoenfeld 7, Jocelyn Guvremont 7, Ron Stackhouse 7, Phil Russel 6, Terry Harper 6, Dick Redmond 6, Tom Bladon 5, Jerry Korab 4, Bill White 4, Bobby Orr 3, Don Awrey 3, Dallas Smith 2, Dale Tailon 2, Bob Dalley 1, Larry Goodenough 1, Bob Murdoch 1

Comments: The Potvin brothers finish 1/2 in scoring among defensemen and Denis takes the Norris. Poor Brad Park... this is his fifth (of six) second-place finishes during the decade. Park only played 56 games this year and still earned a first-team selection. Bobby Orr played just 10 games this year (scoring 18 points and earning a +10 rating) and got a few all-star votes anyway.

Centre: Bobby Clarke 268, Gilbert Perreault 75, Pete Mahovlich 66, Pierre Larouche 31, Jean Ratelle 22, Darryl Sittler 12, Bryan Trottier 8, Garry Unger 3, Marcel Dionne 1

Comments: Clarke finishes second in scoring (a career-high 119 points) and, now that Orr is finished, probably brings better defense, checking and intangibles than any player in the league. He easily takes the first all-star team spot (and the Hart trophy). The voting is pretty boring - the top six highest-scoring centres earn the top six vote totals here; flip Mahovlich and Larouche and they're in the same order as the scoring race. Rookie Bryan Trottier gets some recognition here for his 95-point season.

Right-wing: Guy Lafleur 266, Reggie Leach 116, Jean Pronovost 72, Danny Gare 20, Billy Harris 4, Dennis Ververgaert 3, Rene Robert 2, Rod Gilbert 2, Lowell McDonald 1

Commentary: Leach has easily the best year of his career -- he leads the league in goals, then wins the Conn Smythe in the spring. I'm suprised that Lanny McDonald (3rd in RW scoring with 93 points) doesn't receive a single vote.

Left-wing: Bill Barber 232, Rick Martin 122, Chuck Lafley 46
Steve Shutt 35, Johnny Bucyk 27, Errol Thompson 11, Clarke Gillies 4, Steve Vickers 3, Curt Bennett 3, Yvon Lambert 1, Wayne Cashman 1, Don Maloney 1

Commentary: Barber is easily the highest-scoring left-wing and finished second in the league in plus/minus. Johnny Bucyk, at age 40 and no longer playing with Bobby Orr, finishes in the top twenty in the league in both goals and points.


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Yikes! Lucky me. I was thinking of heading out just now with the missus having a nap.

If those were that easy to get, why weren't they in this thread earlier?

That's great though. 30 years of detailed all-star voting to go by.

I wonder if I can start working backwards from 1967 now? I know we have the voting points of the winners, which is why you stopped at 1947, but seeing who came 3rd and 4th (which was sporadically mentioned in the 30's but may have been move available later) can still come in handy.

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I'm planning on looking at 1947-1967 eventually, but feel free to give it a try.

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Though this isn't an official NHL award, I thought I'd include the results in this thread if anyone was interested:

The magazine The Sporting News has since 1968 conducted a players poll to choose a Player of the Year, Rookie of the Year and All-Star Teams. Since there is no official vote totals for the Pearson Award released, I thought that the results of TSN's Player Of The Year voting may be the closest thing so I went through the TSN archives at Paper Of Record to see what I could find.

While the results may seem redundant compared to Hart voting in most seasons, there are a few discrepancies. Since these were voted on by the players rather than the writers, it's a bit of a different outlook. Unfortunately, some years the articles aren't as informative as others. I've included the total number of votes cast when mentioned.

Note: For the first 8 years, they gave out separate awards for each conference. Starting with the 75-76 season they went to just one award for the entire league.

Also of interest is the 78-79 and 88-89 results, where the Pearson winner finished far behind the winners here.

1967-68:
East Div: Stan Mikita
West Div: Red Berenson

1968-69
East Div: Phil Esposito (article states he was 3 votes shy of a unanimous choice)
West Div: Red Berenson

1969-70:
East Div:
1. Bobby Orr
2. Tony Esposito (article states he was a distant 2nd in voting)

West Div:
1. Red Berenson (article states it was a narrow victory)
2. Phil Goyette

1970-71:
East Div: Phil Esposito
West Div: Bobby Hull

1971-72:
East Div: Jean Ratelle
West Div: Bobby Hull

1972-73:
East Div:
1. Phil Esposito 46
2. Ken Dryden 21

West Div:
1. Bobby Clarke (article stated he won by a 20 vote margin)
2. Rick MacLeish

1973-74:
East Div: Phil Esposito
West Div: Bernie Parent

1974-75:
Campbell Conf:
1. Bobby Clarke 51
2. Bernie Parent 35
3. Gary Smith 32

Wales Conf:
1. Guy Lafleur 56
2. Bobby Orr 48
3. Rogie Vachon 28

1975-76 (188/249):
1. Bobby Clarke 107
2. Guy Lafleur 79

1976-77 (229/264):
1. Guy Lafleur 176
2. Steve Shutt 28
3. Marcel Dionne 25

1977-78:
1. Guy Lafleur 120
2. Bryan Trottier 79
3. Darryl Sittler 23
4. Terry O'Reilly ??
5. Don Edwards ??

1978-79 (251/270):
1. Bryan Trottier 93
2. Guy Lafleur 66
3. Mike Bossy 64
4. Marcel Dionne 28

1979-80 (255/348):
1. Marcel Dionne 128
2. Wayne Gretzky 127

1980-81 (287/324):
1. Wayne Gretzky 148
2. Mike Liut 139

1981-82 (280/280)
1. Wayne Gretzky 262
2. Bryan Trottier 13
3. Mike Bossy 5

1982-83 (292/326):
1. Wayne Gretzky 176
2. Pete Peeters 116

1983-84 (305/313):
1. Wayne Gretzky 250
2. Rod Langway 29
3. Bryan Trottier 26

1984-85 (278/315):
1. Wayne Gretzky 234
2. Jari Kurri 27
3. Dale Hawerchuk 17

1985-86 (297/327)
1. Wayne Gretzky 157
2. Mario Lemieux 106
3. Paul Coffey 34

1986-87 (251/270)
1. Wayne Gretzky 185
2. Ray Bourque 66

1987-88 (311/328)
1. Mario Lemieux 203
2. Grant Fuhr 39
3. Wayne Gretzky 35
4. Steve Yzerman 34

1988-89 (302/309)
1. Mario Lemieux 120
2. Wayne Gretzky 109
3. Steve Yzerman 73

1989-90 (277/295)
1. Mark Messier 119
2. Ray Bourque 84
3. Brett Hull 74

1990-91
1. Brett Hull 203
2. Wayne Gretzky 118
3. Ed Belfour 54

1991-92
1. Mark Messier 226
2. Brett Hull 27
3. Kevin Stevens 22

1992-93: Mario Lemieux (no vote totals given)
1993-94 Sergei Fedorov (no vote totals given)
1994-95: Eric Lindros (no vote totals given)
1995-96: Mario Lemieux (no vote totals given)

1996-97 (119/151)
1. Dominik Hasek 91
2. Mario Lemieux 28

1997-98 (192/216)
1. Dominik Hasek 98
2. Teemu Selanne 69
3. Jaromir Jagr 25

1998-99
1. Jaromir Jagr 160
2. Alexei Yashin 19

1999-00
1. Jaromir Jagr 81
2. Pavel Bure 65
3. Chris Pronger 35

2000-01
1. Joe Sakic 268
2. Mario Lemieux 34
3. Jaromir Jagr 23

2001-02
1. Jarome Iginla
2. Patrick Roy
3. Joe Sakic

2002-03 (195/263)
1. Peter Forsberg 101
2. Markus Naslund 94

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I went to the Regina Public Library to take a look at some old newspapers and get an idea of what I'm up against. It turns out that the Globe and Mail at the RPL go back to only 1968, so I had to resort to using the New York Times. I just grabbed a week's worth to breeze through and see how easy or hard it was. I didn't find any award news, or really any NHL-related news at all.

I know the States have never been hockey crazy, but New Yorkers love their Rangers. I woulnt't be surprised if voting results were or weren't in there.

Can anyone offer any advice? As in "don't bother checking the New York Times"? Or advice on what weeks will have the best chance of yielding results? It looks like in the O6 days, the playoffs were over by the first week of May, but all that means is that the awards night was sometime between May 7th and the currently used time, mid June.

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2007-2008 Vezina Trophy Voting

Pts. (1st-2nd-3rd)
===========================
1. Martin Brodeur, N.J. 113 {15-12-2}
2. Evgeni Nabokov, S.J. 106 {13-13-2}
3. Henrik Lundqvist. NYR 13 {1-0-8)
4. J.S. Giguere, ANA 11 {0-1-8)
5. Miikka Kiprusoff, CGY 7 {1-0-2)
6. Niklas Backstrom, MIN 6 (0-2-0)
7. Roberto Luongo, VAN 5 (0-1-2)
8. Cristobal Huet, WSH 4 (0-1-1)
9. Carey Price, MTL 2 (0-0-2)
Tim Thomas, BOS 2 (0-0-2)
11. Chris Osgood, DET 1 (0-0-1)

2007-2008 Norris Trophy Voting

Pts. (1 st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th)
==================================
1. Nicklas Lidstrom, DET 1313 (127-5-1-1-0)
2. Dion Phaneuf, CGY 561 (2-38-37-26-12)
3. Zdeno Chara, BOS 486 (3-38-23-21-12)
4. Sergei Gonchar, PIT 370 (1-24-21-21-24)
5. Brian Campbell, S.J. 333 (1-18-16-31-24)
6. Andrei Markov, MTL 156 (0-4-15-11-20)
7. Mike Green, WSH 84 (0-1-7-10-12)
8. Chris Pronger, ANA 56 (0-2-5-5-2)
9. Brian Rafalski, DET 25 (0-1-1-2-7)
10. Scott Niedermayer, ANA 22 (0-2-1-1-0)
11. Duncan Keith, CHI 19 (0-0-2-0-9)
12. Brent Burns, MIN 14 (0-0-2-1-1)
13. Mark Streit, MTL 11 (0-1-0-1-1)
14. Mathieu Schneider, ANA 9 (0-0-1-1-1)
15. Ed Jovanovski, PHX 8 (0-0-1-1-0)
16. Wade Redden, OTT 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
17. Joe Corvo, CAR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Jassen Cullimore, FLA 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Tomas Kaberle, TOR 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Mike Komisarek, MTL 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
John-Michael Liles, COL 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Andrej Meszaros, OTT 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Kimmo Timonen, PHI 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Shea Weber, NSH 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Seraei Zubov, DAL 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

2007-2008 Hart Trophy Voting

Pts. (1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th)
===================================
1. Alex Ovechkin, WSH 1313 (128-4-1-0-0)
2. Evgeni Malkin, PIT 659 (1-66-27-13-13)
3. Jarome Iginla, CGY 565 (2-41-33-26-15)
4. Nicklas Lidstrom, DET 246 (2-7-17-24-20)
5. Martin Brodeur, N.J. 239 (1-8-19-21-15)
6. Joe Thornton, S.J. 157 (0-3-16-14-14)
7. Evgeni Nabokov, S.J. 109 (0-1-12-9-15)
8. Alexei Kovalev, MTL 94 (0-1-5-15-17)
9. Pavel Datsyuk, DET 43 (0-1-2-7-5)
10. Henrik Zetterberg, DET 17 (0-0-2-1-4)
11. Marian Gaborik, MIN 9 (0-0-0-2-3)
12. Roberto Luongo, VAN 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
Dion Phaneuf, CGY 7 (0-1-0-0-0)
14. Zdeno Chara, BOS 4 (0-0-0-1-1)
llya Kovalchuk, ATL 4 (0-0-0-1-1)
16. Daniel Alfredsson, OTT 3 (0-0-0-0-3)
17. Sidney Crosby, PIT 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
Sergei Gonchar, PIT 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
Vincent Lecavalier, T.B. 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
Scott Niedermayer, ANA 2 (0-0-0-0-2)

2007-2008 Calder Trophy Voting

Pts. (1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th)
=================================
1. Patrick Kane, Chi. 1078 (71-34-26-0-0)
2. Nicklas Backstrom, Wsh. 872 (30-51-35-12-4)
3. Jonathan Toews, Chi. 647 (19-26-30-38-11)
4. Carey Price, Mtl. 461 (11-16-26-30-19)
5. Peter Mueller, Phx. 195 (0-2-12-31-28)
6. Tobias Enstrom, Atl. 79 (2-1-2-7-21)
7. Sam Gagner, Edm. 41 (0-0-0-9-14)
8. Matt Niskanen, Dal. 27 (0-1-1-2-9)
9. Andrew Cogliano, Edm. 18 (0-0-1-2-7)
10. Brandon Dubinsky, NYR 16 (0-1-0-1 -6)
11. Tom Gilbert, Edm. 7 (0-0-0-1 -4)
12. Nigel Dawes, NYR 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
Erik Johnson, St.L 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
Milan Lucie, Bos. 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
Marc Staal, NYR 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
16.Alex Edler, Van. 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
Sergei Kostitsyn, Mtl. 1 (0-0-0-0-1)

2007-2008 Jack Adams Award Voting

Pis. (1st-2nd-3rd)
===============================
1. Bruce Boudreau, WSH 208 (31-15-8)
2. Guy Carbonneau, MTL 196 (24-23-7)
3. Mike Babcock, DET 65 (6-8-11)
4. Barry Trotz, NSH 60 (4-8-16)
5. Ron Wilson, S.J. 32 (2-5-7)
6. Claude Julien, BOS 32 (1-7-6)
7. Michel Therrien, PIT 30 (2-4-8)
8. Joel Quenneville, COL 16 (2-0-6)
9. Brent Sutter, N.J. 12 (1-1-4)
10. Peter Laviolette, CAR 11 (1 -2-0)
11. Dave Tippett, DAL 3 (0-1 -0)
12. Wayne Gretzky, PHX 1 (0-0-1)


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Thanks a lot pnep! Where do you get all this info?

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