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Predators re-sign Erat, 7 Years\4.5 per

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05-12-2008, 08:54 PM
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This is not going to end well.
Do you see 300+ posts with it ending up being a b%^$ fest between Burke and Lowe fans? Cause I do.

How does this compare to other RFAs who gave up large chunks of UFA years, but arte not yet quite worth the money they are being paid now?

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05-12-2008, 09:50 PM
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This contract stunned me. Richards' did as well, but this is different. We've seen what Erat can do. He's nearly topped out and reaching the prime of his career. He's a second liner with PP skills. That's about it. He's never scored more than 57 points in a season, that's a decent, but not special number. So then he deserves 7 long years like a top UFA like Drury/Gomez and 4.5 million, a hefty number, on top of that? I'm sorry but that doesn't make much sense. I didn't expect this out of Poile.

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I like this deal... but only from a Blackhawks standpoint

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As some may have mentioned, this deal is buying 6 ufa years, and that counts for a lot. 4.5 as an rfa next year is stiff for sure, but don't you think if he had another 60 pt season and gone ufa next summer that somebody wouldnt have given him $4mil per? I think this is also an indication that stevie s. is done, his 3 mill off the books pays for erat's salary. Weber gets an extension and suter goes for carter in my book.

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Do you see 300+ posts with it ending up being a b%^$ fest between Burke and Lowe fans? Cause I do.

How does this compare to other RFAs who gave up large chunks of UFA years, but arte not yet quite worth the money they are being paid now?
Please don't start with that trash again, you guys hijacked enough threads with that.

As far as the deal goes, it's alright. The length pretty much ensures it will be a steal or an anchor. It might be a good idea for the preds to take a bigger cap burden now and profit from this deal in a few years when the cap goes up more.

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Personally I think it is too much for too many years.

On the other hand Poile has done the best job in the NHL at getting the most standing points for the least amount of payroll $$--both before and after the salary cap era. He has a strong track record of getting the most for his money so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Here are the post-lockout numbers in case you're interested:
http://thrasherstalons.blogspot.com/...ting-post.html

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05-12-2008, 11:15 PM
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I was waiting for it, but you brought it back even better

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This was just the beginning, the Preds are going to spend money and re-sign everyone.

Article from a few weeks ago, just posting this because some people think the Erat signing means the Preds wont spend money elsewhere.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...e-strings.aspx
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“I will be shocked if the Nashville Predators don’t have the biggest increase in payroll — both percentage-wise and in sheer dollars — of any team in the NHL,” David Freeman, who heads the Preds’ ownership group, told the Nashville Tennessean.

“There’s always been that chicken-and-egg question about who should go first: Should the team increase its payroll and then hope fans and sponsors follow suit? Or should the fans and sponsors put up the money, and then the team will spend the money?

“We are very clearly saying we’re taking the lead. We’re spending the money first.
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The Predators reportedly have about US$34-million committed for next season, with players such as goaltender Dan Ellis, defencemen Ryan Suter and Shea Weber, along with forward Martin Erat, unsigned.

Predators GM David Poile expects to sign the latter three, no matter what it takes.


“I’m working with David Freeman and ownership as to what it’s going to take to sign players we’d like to bring back, in conjunction with a budget that works for the ownership,” Poile told the newspaper. “But again, (the payroll) is going to be up considerably. So under different scenarios, there may be room for free agents and there may not be room for free agents.”
So there you go, not only was Erat re-signed but so will Suter and Weber.

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05-13-2008, 12:41 AM
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With raises to Dumont(+$1.5M), Legwand(+$3.4M), Erat(+$2.75) and Mason(+$1.75M), the Preds payroll for next season will already be increasing by just under $10M from those 4 players alone. Factor in raises for Weber(+$3.5M), Suter(+$3M) and Ellis(+$3M), there's another $10M or so right there. The only significant salary coming off the books is Gelinas($1.25M) and possibly Sullivan's.

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With raises to Dumont(+$1.5M), Legwand(+$3.4M), Erat(+$2.75) and Mason(+$1.75M), the Preds payroll for next season will already be increasing by just under $10M from those 4 players alone. Factor in raises for Weber(+$3.5M), Suter(+$3M) and Ellis(+$3M), there's another $10M or so right there. The only significant salary coming off the books is Gelinas($1.25M) and possibly Sullivan's.
I don't think Ellis will be re-signed, I think the Preds will go with a Rinne/Mason combo.

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With raises to Dumont(+$1.5M), Legwand(+$3.4M), Erat(+$2.75) and Mason(+$1.75M), the Preds payroll for next season will already be increasing by just under $10M from those 4 players alone. Factor in raises for Weber(+$3.5M), Suter(+$3M) and Ellis(+$3M), there's another $10M or so right there. The only significant salary coming off the books is Gelinas($1.25M) and possibly Sullivan's.
True, but we can move salary if need be. Mason + a draft pick elsewhere would clear 3 million, Zidlicky makes 3.75 million and could be dealt. De Vries makes 2.75 million this year......the space can be made available, so I'm not entirely worried about where this is headed.

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How is JP Dumont worth less than Martin Erat?

Whats Radulov going to ask for? 9 million per for 12 years?

IMHO, Erat is in the camp of "good, but not great", meaning he could be replaced. Buffalo added a few contracts like this in 06, (Kotalik at 2.5, Afinogenov at 3.33, Connolly at around 3, etc), and it killed their chances of signing Briere AND Drury.

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True, but we can move salary if need be. Mason + a draft pick elsewhere would clear 3 million, Zidlicky makes 3.75 million and could be dealt. De Vries makes 2.75 million this year......the space can be made available, so I'm not entirely worried about where this is headed.
Who is going to take on Mason?

Zidlicky has a NTC.

Who would take on de Vries, especially given that he was overpaid so that we could reach the cap floor?

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Who is going to take on Mason?

Zidlicky has a NTC.

Who would take on de Vries, especially given that he was overpaid so that we could reach the cap floor?
Having a NTC rarely causes a problem in regards to said player being traded, unless your name is Wade Redden.

As I mentioned in my above post, we would probably have to ship Mason with a draft pick to move him.

DeVries comes off the books after this season, and while there may not be a lot of interested parties, I think he could be dealt. He definitely would be claimed on reentry waivers if push came to shove, which would still save us money.

My point was simply that room can be made, if that room is needed.

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I don't see the problem with this. Locking up a first liner, buying out 6 UFA years for 4.5, seems like a good deal to me.

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^^ He is only going to get better too. I dont see why people are *****ing about this.

Good deal.

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Having a NTC rarely causes a problem in regards to said player being traded, unless your name is Wade Redden.

As I mentioned in my above post, we would probably have to ship Mason with a draft pick to move him.

DeVries comes off the books after this season, and while there may not be a lot of interested parties, I think he could be dealt. He definitely would be claimed on reentry waivers if push came to shove, which would still save us money.

My point was simply that room can be made, if that room is needed.
And my point is that I don't see any team taking on those players unless we're talking Zidlicky, who again, would have to waive his NTC.

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I don't see the problem with this. Locking up a first liner, buying out 6 UFA years for 4.5, seems like a good deal to me.
Erat is not a 1st line player.

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Erat, Legwand, Dumont and Arnott have no-trade clauses in their contracts.

"What we're hoping is that we can use these guys as building blocks for a foundation to be a
competitive team, and one that can compete for the Stanley Cup every year,'' Predators General Manager David Poile said.

"We're making our bed, if you will, with between six to eight
players. They are the guys we're giving the long-term contracts and the no-trade contracts. We're telling them that we want to be successful with them in Nashville.''
Source: http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....805130337/1028

We are making our beds. This is a team that barely made the playoffs.

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Source: http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....805130337/1028

We are making our beds. This is a team that barely made the playoffs.
You're being sensationalist here. Yes, we "barely made the playoffs," but if you saw us re-signing Jerred Smithson, Jed Ortmeyer and Vernon Fiddler to 5 year deals, then you might have a legitimate gripe. The team is spending money and committing to its talent...and David Poile said yesterday in an interview with George Plaster that he expects to be active in free agency, looking to add size and scoring.

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Here's why I like the Erat contract. Inflation is reducing the amount of value on the contract. There is a huge difference between amount of money versus value. Inflation is going to dramtically drop the value of this contract to a point where we are going to be going, "Oh wow, look at this contract as compared to the contracts for these stats!" Unless the world goes through complete economic collaspe this will be a good contract for years to come.

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I guess there is a perception that the salary cap will not go up some years. Maybe even some people think it will go down? The cap in 7 years will be at least $75 Million.

The problem won't be that some players will be overpaid when these long term contracts are near expiration. The problem will be, for example, a player who is not quite as good as a guy like Erat will be making $9mil.

Don't forget that the NHL will have a new CBA also. I wonder if these contacts are guaranteed if there is a lock-out?

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Erat is not a 1st line player.
The truth of that statement will determine whether this is a good deal. If Erat tops out where he is now then the contract is not a good one IMO. The years and NTC are not worth giving to a 2nd line scorer. A 60 point player can be replaced for similar money, so it isn't worth the risk involved in such a contract. However, I am assuming if Poile gave him this deal he thinks Erat is on the cusp of breaking out into a first line guy. If he does, it will end up being a very good deal.

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You're being sensationalist here. Yes, we "barely made the playoffs," but if you saw us re-signing Jerred Smithson, Jed Ortmeyer and Vernon Fiddler to 5 year deals, then you might have a legitimate gripe. The team is spending money and committing to its talent...and David Poile said yesterday in an interview with George Plaster that he expects to be active in free agency, looking to add size and scoring.


No Willie asked Poile if it is fair to assume that they are spending most the money that they are willing to spend on their own players and he said yes. He said that there were free agents that he was interested in but he also said the free agent market isnt that great this year. I agree with Stranger on this one. Yes, I love the fact ownership is willing to spend money but we are giving redicolous contracts to good players that will always make our team good, but never will take us to the next level. In order to take the next step we are gonna have to hope some of our young draft picks can step into the NHL immediately and be impact players while they still are on there rookie contracts.

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