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05-10-2008, 04:22 AM
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I never thought I'd see the day...GILMOUR in a HABS jersey!!

But...it happened!!

(not bugging you, just curious...how did you feel when you saw Gilmour in a HABs jersey? was it strange? surreal? it was slightly strange but in a good way for me!).


Gilmour is probably the best player (or top 3) in the history of LEAFS, no?
Sundin/Gilmour
Gilmour/Sundin
Clark
Salming?
Rick Vaive (kidding!)

I'm probably forgetting a few (sorry)...



p.s.: confession...I despised Gilmour as a LEAF, but absolutely loved him as a HAB!
Also, back to topic...I'd love to see Sundin in a HABS jersey for 1 year (he'd make a great 3rd line center...just kidding, he'd be our #1 center for a year or #1A center, etc...).
Gilmour isn't close to the best player in Leafs history, and I this as a guy who became a Leafs fan in the first place because of him.

He just wasn't there long enough. We have 13 Cups, there is plenty of history with this team and plenty of great players. Gilmour doesn't deserve to be near the top.

That said, at his peak, he was better than any other Leafs player during my lifetime and it isn't close.

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05-10-2008, 08:37 AM
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Toronto's not going to do a full-out rebuild, no matter how much the fans want.

Toronto's not going to endure a 3-year period near the bottom of the league, collecting high draft picks...no matter whether it will be helpful to the team's future or not.

Toronto can endure a 3 yr re building period.

i betcha 10 bucks that although you'll hear people whining and *****ing for those 3 years, you'll still see a sold out ACC centre for each of those 3 years.

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I never thought I'd see the day...GILMOUR in a HABS jersey!!

But...it happened!!

(not bugging you, just curious...how did you feel when you saw Gilmour in a HABs jersey? was it strange? surreal? it was slightly strange but in a good way for me!).


Gilmour is probably the best player (or top 3) in the history of LEAFS, no?
Sundin/Gilmour
Gilmour/Sundin
Clark
Salming?
Rick Vaive (kidding!) <--- NO KIDDING!!!!

I'm probably forgetting a few (sorry)...



p.s.: confession...I despised Gilmour as a LEAF, but absolutely loved him as a HAB!
Also, back to topic...I'd love to see Sundin in a HABS jersey for 1 year (he'd make a great 3rd line center...just kidding, he'd be our #1 center for a year or #1A center, etc...).

he was the reason why i was a leafs fan during my young influencial years. he was the first leafs 50 goal scorer and i think he did it 3 times. plus his number was the same as my birth day. the year they traded him away was the day i switched over to a habs fan ( the year they won the cup w/roy in net as a rookie)


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05-10-2008, 09:17 AM
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Gilmour is probably the best player (or top 3) in the history of LEAFS, no?
Sundin/Gilmour
Gilmour/Sundin
Clark
Salming?
Rick Vaive (kidding!)

I'm probably forgetting a few (sorry)...
Not even close, dude.

Syl Apps, George Armstrong, Ace Bailey, Johnny Bower, King Clancy, Brian Conacher, Dick Duff, Tim Horton, Red Kelly, Dave Keon, Frank Mahovlich, Darryl Sittler and maybe even Bill Barilko, are some of the players that are arguably ahead of Doug Gilmour.

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05-10-2008, 09:49 AM
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Yeah, that shows he's CLUTCH. Not like Lidstrom, Forsberg, Zetterberg, Lundqvist, Alfredsson, Sedins, Ohlund, Holmstrom had nothing to do with that? It was all about Mats showing how clutch he was.

Mats can take his gold medal and retire back to Sweden. He's not a the warrior we need in the middle and he's not welcome here. A proven playoff performer like Forsberg. That's a different story.

It's amazing how Sundin gets put in the same category as the greats like Yzerman, Sakic, Francis, Trottier. He hasn't earned that. He's a level below that caliber of player. He gets elevated by playing in Toronto where he is treated like a god for some reason.

He's essentially Pierre Turgeon all over again. Similar stats, similar non-impact player in the playoffs. So you're asking me do I want a 37-year old Pierre Turgeon clone next season? No thanks.
I denounce this post.

Anyway, I like Ferrisrox's posts, especially the one about Fletcher's mandate. I just wonder how long the Leafs can afford to wait to get a permanent GM. It seems to me that it takes at least 3 to 4 months before a new GM is ready to make impact moves, though in thinking of Gainey as an example, I'm perhaps taking a cautious and conservative case.

I suppose the organization is more or less on auto-pilot for the draft, as the scouts have already drawn up their list and the GM doesn't normally have much to do. And if there are deals to be made, then Fletcher is probably the guy to make them because the Leafs are still in hatchet mode. Fletcher might get another chance to move Kaberle, Tucker and the rest for some quality draft picks and prospects after all.

I guess it also means that they aren't expecting to be competitive on the UFA market. But then again, July 1st is still far enough away for all kinds of decisions. Also, big time UFA signings are often brokered by the owners themselves. If they want to go after Redden and Hossa, they won't need a GM to do it. But it would be so foolhardy, given the Leafs situation, that I just don't see it happening.

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05-10-2008, 01:34 PM
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Gilmour isn't close to the best player in Leafs history, and I this as a guy who became a Leafs fan in the first place because of him.

He just wasn't there long enough. We have 13 Cups, there is plenty of history with this team and plenty of great players. Gilmour doesn't deserve to be near the top.

That said, at his peak, he was better than any other Leafs player during my lifetime and it isn't close.
I wouldn't dismiss Gilmour's claim to the "Best Leaf Ever" title because the Leafs, despite their 11 Stanley Cups (sorry, but it's just sad to count cups one by the St. Pat's and Areneas among your own) they have a curious place in hockey history in that if you were to list the truly elite players in hockey history, the Leafs strangely lay claim to none of them.

All of the greats, Howe, Orr, Gretzky, Richard, Dionne, Plante, Beliveau, Hull, Lafleur, Esposito, Roy, Messier, Bourque, etc you are going to be creating quite a list before you come to *any* Leaf players at all.

The likes of Teeder Kennedy, Busher Jackson, King Clancy etc come way way way down that list.

Then you have guys like Darryl Sittler, who had a nice career, but is far from an "all timer" and never won a damn thing in his career.

To say that Gilmour doesn't deserve to be near the top is disrespectful to the fact that, for his short time in Toronto he was truly among the very best players in the league. Despite what Leaf fans like to pretend about Sundin, he never could make that claim. He was a top tier player, but never, could it even be remotely argued that he was the best player in the league. For Gilmour, for a couple of years, that case could be made.

The Leafs just don't have a history of having truly elite players. (Look at the list of Vezina, Hart and Norris trophy winners to really drive this point home) So to disrespect the only guy you could make an argument for in the last 60 years is pretty odd, coming from a Leafs fan.

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Not even close, dude.

Syl Apps, George Armstrong, Ace Bailey, Johnny Bower, King Clancy, Brian Conacher, Dick Duff, Tim Horton, Red Kelly, Dave Keon, Frank Mahovlich, Darryl Sittler and maybe even Bill Barilko, are some of the players that are arguably ahead of Doug Gilmour.
You have got to be kidding! You're a Leaf fan and you don't even know your own teams great players?

There is ZERO argument that could be made for Dick Duff, Brian Conacher, Red Kelly or Bill Barilko.

These guys aren't even close to that title. *THEY* would be shocked to hear you say this.

Even more appalling is the omission of Turk Broda, one of the few true greats the team had!


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05-11-2008, 03:47 AM
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Toronto can endure a 3 yr re building period.

i betcha 10 bucks that although you'll hear people whining and *****ing for those 3 years, you'll still see a sold out ACC centre for each of those 3 years.
Ah, but you missed my entire point.

The fans for the most part are not the issue. We sold out games during the Ballard days, we can sell out anytime.

It's MLSE themselves that won't endure the rebuild, not the fanbase...though we certainly have the idiots that think it's good to go all-out every year with vets.

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05-11-2008, 04:57 AM
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The guy never made it to the Stanley Cup Finals. Never. Not once. How clutch is that?
Neither have the vast majority of the guys on our team.

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Ah, but you missed my entire point.

The fans for the most part are not the issue. We sold out games during the Ballard days, we can sell out anytime.

It's MLSE themselves that won't endure the rebuild, not the fanbase...though we certainly have the idiots that think it's good to go all-out every year with vets.
well as leafs fans you all know what that means. NO CUP till MLSE LEAVES.

can't understand why rebuilding isn't in their terminology.

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I never thought I'd see the day...GILMOUR in a HABS jersey!!

But...it happened!!

(not bugging you, just curious...how did you feel when you saw Gilmour in a HABs jersey? was it strange? surreal? it was slightly strange but in a good way for me!).


Gilmour is probably the best player (or top 3) in the history of LEAFS, no?
Sundin/Gilmour
Gilmour/Sundin
Clark
Salming?
Rick Vaive (kidding!)

I'm probably forgetting a few (sorry)...



p.s.: confession...I despised Gilmour as a LEAF, but absolutely loved him as a HAB!
Also, back to topic...I'd love to see Sundin in a HABS jersey for 1 year (he'd make a great 3rd line center...just kidding, he'd be our #1 center for a year or #1A center, etc...).
Gilmour was on the downside of his career, it happens in the NHL, Orr to Boston? ***.. Coffey to the Canes?!? Belfour to Sweden.....

Honestly, at the time, and no offence the habs didn't intrigue me, we would easily win most the games, there wasn't a rivalry. Now that the tables have turned and your team is doing well and ours isn't, make me sick knowing Sundin.... who would make your team a Contender.... signing with you guys.... this is what i'd do to the rumours, tune them out.

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I am convinced Gainey will try to sign Sundin.

A) He knows we need another centerman.
B) We don't really have one in the pipeline ready to step in.
C) He tried to sign Briere last year.
D) Sundin is the best centerman available this year.
E) Sundin could settle for a one year contract. And that would still leave a provision for Lecavalier next year.
On the other side on the fence.
There is hope that Sundin would consider another team... since the Leafs were ready to dump him.
All that being said, I have never been a big Sundin fan... but I really think he would help us... we are not strong enough at center.... and he did get better in important games the last few years.

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Now, let's not get carried away but if this happens, UFA will line up to come to Montreal for the 100th year and a chance to win the Cup.

- 5M to Sundin;
- 5M to Jagr;
- we choose who we want to add in the defense and to add grit.

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Wow, that would be good if he could convince both of them to sign to those amounts... I guess by saying... we are going for a cup now...

Clearly, Gainey prepared the table for this summer again, by letting Huet (will cost more than 3 millions) go, and Ryder will go as well (was 3 millions).

That's 6 millions cleared... Smolinksi should go too... that's another 2 millions. We are up to 8 millons.

Plus, we already had some room... some of it will be taken by contract increases... (Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Gorges, O'byrne, Halak, Streit).

We will see if Brisebois will fit into Bob's salarial mass.

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#13 is available. Has anyone ever worn #13 for the Habs?

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#13 is available. Has anyone ever worn #13 for the Habs?
That's a good question. My instinct tells me that it must have been retired, but I can't think of who has the honour. I am going to guess: Lucien Deblois.

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And now I checked. I was wrong. (Deblois was 27.) Apparently, the last player to wear 13 for the Habs was Billy Boucher, in 1921-22. Oddly enough, one of the only other two players to have ever worn 13 for the Habs also wore it in that same season.

For fun: http://www.habsinsideout.com/2007/08...alltime_num_1/

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That's a good question. My instinct tells me that it must have been retired, but I can't think of who has the honour. I am going to guess: Lucien Deblois.

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And now I checked. I was wrong. (Deblois was 27.) Apparently, the last player to wear 13 for the Habs was Billy Boucher, in 1921-22. Oddly enough, one of the only other two players to have ever worn 13 for the Habs also wore it in that same season.

For fun: http://www.habsinsideout.com/2007/08...alltime_num_1/
that list is very screwed up. i didn't find no koivu under 11. or komi under 8. ( just took a glance)

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that list is very screwed up. i didn't find no koivu under 11. or komi under 8. ( just took a glance)
Look right above 9 and 12 and you will see them...

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that list is very screwed up. i didn't find no koivu under 11. or komi under 8. ( just took a glance)
They're both there, but you're right that the list is screwed up. The pages were scanned from a book one after another. So the columns don't line up. If you look at number 11, for instance, the column is at the right hand side of the page, and ends with Leo Somebody in 1934. There's a subtle page break on the left, and the list is continued there, where we find Koivu at the end.

I don't know if that makes any sense, but those two guys are definitely there. (There's no SKostitsyn though. Too recent I guess.)

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You forgot Mario Lemieux (from your list )
I was reeling off the greats from Original Six teams.

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Gilmour was on the downside of his career, it happens in the NHL, Orr to Boston? ***.
I think you mean Orr to Chicago.

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Sundin to the Habs July 1st...if this were to happen, the guys at TSN would be jumping out of buildings...

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