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05-12-2008, 09:43 PM
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Semi OT - Datsyuk/Wings/Puck Possession game

A few things Ive noticed in watching some of these Wings games here recently:

We have a similar group of talent. Good skaters, good passers... we could play that style of game, and likely we should... but why dont we? Are our Dmen not good enough with the puck? Renney keeps with his trap-styled scheme instead?

Datsyuk is, and has been, amazing. I was one of the ones who called for us to go after him, but I think most disagreed. He'd be an improvement, thats for sure... and thats not to say I have an issue with Drury or Gomez... but....

Its just crazy... that team's got their stuff down. The grinders park in front of the net... the D plays a heads up game, they drive the net... they're hyper aware.

So where do the Rangers need to make improvements to be a more efficient team next year? I'd say to borrow some Red Wings' ideas

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Datsyuk never got to free agency, so he was never available. but I agree, he was unestimated by many, including me. he's clearly more than a few steps above Gomez, Drury and Briere.

and you kind of brushed on a point that I thought was a big factor against Pittsburgh: they were a lot better at holding onto the puck. our forwards, especially some of the top ones like Jagr, Shanahan, and Avery turn the puck over a ton. so I think it's a personnel issue.

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One major difference is that Detroit has two of the best puck moving defensemen in the league. Which is a understatement considering one of them is Lidstom.

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One major difference is that Detroit has two of the best puck moving defensemen in the league. Which is a understatement considering one of them is Lidstom.
that's the key. when lidstrom is out the puck-possession system doesn't look so great.

fortunately, lidstrom has only missed about 15 games with injury in his career.

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yea...its the defence....the rangers defence isnt very good individually, whereas detroits is lidstrom, rafalski, chelios, stuart, etc...there forwards are very quick and control the puck well and each player goes to the net which in turn allows for more space around the attacking zone for everyone as the defence collapses.....

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One major difference is that Detroit has two of the best puck moving defensemen in the league. Which is a understatement considering one of them is Lidstom.
Defenitly, but a big portion of it also is tactical.

Detroit dumps the puck in from time to time -- but they try to skate the puck over the attacking blueline more then any other team. I think thats the only aspect were they really are unique. They probably dump the puck in 1/10th compared to other teams.

Also Detroit in principle traps more then we do -- it got nothing to do with that. Since they are so good it seems like they trap less, but tactically they are defenitly backing down a tad more then us when they loose the puck. Its what they do with the puck thats the diffrence.

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A few things Ive noticed in watching some of these Wings games here recently:

We have a similar group of talent. Good skaters, good passers... we could play that style of game, and likely we should... but why dont we? Are our Dmen not good enough with the puck? Renney keeps with his trap-styled scheme instead?

Datsyuk is, and has been, amazing. I was one of the ones who called for us to go after him, but I think most disagreed. He'd be an improvement, thats for sure... and thats not to say I have an issue with Drury or Gomez... but....

Its just crazy... that team's got their stuff down. The grinders park in front of the net... the D plays a heads up game, they drive the net... they're hyper aware.

So where do the Rangers need to make improvements to be a more efficient team next year? I'd say to borrow some Red Wings' ideas
We don't have the talent Detroit have. Their best players are way ahead of our best (with the exception of Jagr) and we just don't have good enough players to play like they do.

Can you imagine our defense even trying to keep possession? Malik is one of our best passers in d and whenever he misplaced one there was fury. If they were all trying to play that game it could be a disaster.

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I think what Detroit has is something special. The only other team that has the talent to play such a dominating game like that is Pitt, and they're not near that level.

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Remember the "experts" who preseason figured this would be the year Detroit collapsed? Ha!
Detroit's the class of the NHL.

I wish we could play that style, but our passing is nowhere close to theirs.
I remember watching their powerplay during one season game -- every pass was HARD and tape to tape. They moved the puck with so much confidence. Then I turned back to the Rangers and we couldn't even make 3 passes in a row without passing it into a guy's skates.

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Detroit is a very unique franchise. I am always freaked out by how good their players are, how good their system is, how good their team concept is. It just seems like they are in a parallel universe, they just seem to get everything right. How is it they end up with Osgoode and what's his name as goalies? They look like they know what to do, while everyone else is experimenting and gambling.

Edit: notice how once Detroit got Chelios, they never even considered letting him walk? We had Zubov, and what did we do? (and notice how Dallas does not trade Zubov off on some crazy trade gamble). Why would anyone trade Zubov? This alone, only one of many examples, tells you something about what makes some teams different from the Rangers, but hopefully that has changed.


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