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05-13-2008, 05:56 PM
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Quite frankly, he probably felt the org invested more in others and there were basically no room in the NHL to start with.

Will we still own his rights in the future?

Playing in Europe might actually be good for him. Like he ahve been in NA a long time now.
The Rangers own Baranka's rights until he turns 27.4 more years.

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05-13-2008, 06:33 PM
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The Rangers own Baranka's rights until he turns 27.4 more years.
Sure, the organization owns his rights. But he's a RFA--would the Rangers really bother to match a contract in a year or two?

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05-13-2008, 06:48 PM
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Sure, the organization owns his rights. But he's a RFA--would the Rangers really bother to match a contract in a year or two?
And another team is going to sign Baranka to an offer sheet.

Must be the same team which will give Al Montoya an offer sheet this summer.

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And another team is going to sign Baranka to an offer sheet.

Must be the same team which will give Al Montoya an offer sheet this summer.
Why not--there's no compensation due if it's under $770,000 (this year's figure). It's been done before.

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I'm indifferent about this. I guess that can be considered a good thing.

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I'm indifferent about this. I guess that can be considered a good thing.
Yeah if we keep his rights. It kind of feels like he hit a dead end at this point in HFD.

He can take another step while playing in Russia and for the Slovak national team.

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Well that ends that. I was wondering if this was sme type of Power Play so he can have some levarge with the Rangers come training camp, that is if his new contract has an out clause.

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Man that sucks.

I like Baranka a lot.

Obviously he had some health issues, but when you get past that he is solid.

He could have made the team out of camp next year, either he or Potter.

What a bummer.

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05-14-2008, 02:57 PM
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Zipay gets a smoke signal from the Rangers org meetings in Palm Springs:

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Oh, and from their Palm Sprngs meetings, Rangers have confirmed that Ivan Baranka accepted an offer from Spartak Moscow, but that New York will retain the 23-year-old d-man's rights.

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So, what exactly does this mean... we retain his rights so, he is still a possibility to play for the Rangers?

How can he sign a contract with another team if we own his rights?

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05-14-2008, 06:18 PM
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So, what exactly does this mean... we retain his rights so, he is still a possibility to play for the Rangers?

How can he sign a contract with another team if we own his rights?
Didn't Rachunek play overseas while we still owned his rights?

It's doable... Just means that other NHL teams can't sign him... Rangers own him as far as NHL play is concerned.

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Didn't Rachunek play overseas while we still owned his rights?

It's doable... Just means that other NHL teams can't sign him... Rangers own him as far as NHL play is concerned.
Got it now. Thanks.

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05-14-2008, 07:29 PM
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Didn't Rachunek play overseas while we still owned his rights?

It's doable... Just means that other NHL teams can't sign him... Rangers own him as far as NHL play is concerned.
Not true. Baranka is RFA, he doesn't have a contract with the Rangers anymore. That's why he can sign with the Russian team and play there. The Rangers still hold his rights in North America, but another team can choose to sign him to a contract (remember he's an RFA). The Rangers can then either match the contract or let him go. If they don't match, it's possible they will receive a draft pick(s) as compensation, but it depends on the contract Baranka signs.
Amount Compensation Due (for 2007-8 season)
$773,442 or less None
$773,442 - $1,171,882 3rd round pick
$1,171,882 - $2,343,764 2nd round pick
$2,343,764 - $3,515,645 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,515,645 - $4,687,527 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$4,687,527 - $5,859,412 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$5,859,412 or more Four 1st round picks.

Most likely, Baranka will never play for the Ranger organization again.

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05-15-2008, 12:45 PM
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baranka doesn't have a no out clause


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i know this might be a dumb question but when drafting a european player, cant the team that draft him make sure he is commited to playing in North America, instead of wasting a pick on a player. not saying that branaka was a waste but imagine if we drafted a north american player that was willing to go to the minors..

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05-15-2008, 01:20 PM
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i know this might be a dumb question but when drafting a european player, cant the team that draft him make sure he is commited to playing in North America, instead of wasting a pick on a player. not saying that branaka was a waste but imagine if we drafted a north american player that was willing to go to the minors..
Baranka was committed to playing in North America. He wouldn't have spent the last six years here if he wasn't. But there comes a time when a player needs to look at his options, and his future. A hockey player's career can be short -- especially when he's shown a history for getting injured -- and the window in which to make money doing what you've worked your whole life towards is small. As you get older, money starts to win out -- especially if you feel you're not going to have a good shot at getting to the next level here. Baranka will undoubtedly make more than double what he was making in the AHL in Russia. The Rangers will still retain his rights, and maybe after a season playing against better competition in a better league, he'll have a better shot winning a job on this team.

And for the record, it's not only Europeans defecting to Russia, or other European leagues, for that matter. Plenty of Americans and Canadians have gone to play in Europe as well.

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05-15-2008, 01:43 PM
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I think Baranka is a significant loss. I do believe his upside is greater than Giraldi's upside and he would have been as good if not better than Tyutin.A team NEVER has too many potential defensemen. A very upsetting development for which Sather should be held accountable

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I think Baranka is a significant loss. I do believe his upside is greater than Giraldi's upside and he would have been as good if not better than Tyutin.A team NEVER has too many potential defensemen. A very upsetting development for which Sather should be held accountable
Accountable for what? Not giving Baranka a spot and icing FOUR green defensemen?!

We're not talking about another Staal here. Baranka is a good player, but if Dan Girardi and Fedor Tyutin were able to **** the bed this year I can't imagine Baranka would do any better. We need veteran defensemen, not more rookies unless they're named Bobby Sanguinetti and ready to contribute.

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I think Baranka is a significant loss. I do believe his upside is greater than Giraldi's upside and he would have been as good if not better than Tyutin.A team NEVER has too many potential defensemen. A very upsetting development for which Sather should be held accountable
well what is the length of the deal signed? if only one year it could be good for us. see how he plays vs. men and if he can stay healthy, then we will still have his rights for him to come back over

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05-15-2008, 02:03 PM
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Baranka is a significant loss for several reasons:
1) The team has four defensemen signed for next year. Backman is horrible so I believe we only have three defensemen. Baranka could certainly fill a void instead of the flavor of the month ufa defenseman
2) If Baranka is as good as I think(I saw thirty Hartford games the year before last and Squishy also has good things to say), it gives Sather another valuable chip to deploy in a trade for a power winger which this team desperately needs or frees up a Giraldi or Tyutin for trade.
3)Baranka does have a mean streak which this club lacks on the blue line. I keep reading posters comments how we need some ufa to clear the crease. We had such a potential player
4) In this new cap era, the more players developed, the more cap flexiblilty a team has. We just gave up some of the flexibility
I am unhappy with Sather's handling of the situation

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I am unhappy with Sather's handling of the situation
We're really not even sure what his "handling of the situation" is. Maybe this is what he wants. Maybe something good will come of this. Who knows?

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if his deal is a mill or more, then hats off to slats...can't give a one way contract to a player with 1 nhl game for 1 mill

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Can Anisimov (plays center) follow next if he does not get roster spot in a few years because as of right now Rangers are set at center for a long time with Gomez, Drury, Dubinsky and Betts.

Can Artem play LW?

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Lokk at it another way -- Ivan is still young and he continues his development in Russia next year. The Rangers still own his NHL rights. If he continues to develop and we decide to sign him in 09-10, all is forgiven. If he plateaus, AMFYOYO.

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Can Anisimov (plays center) follow next if he does not get roster spot in a few years because as of right now Rangers are set at center for a long time with Gomez, Drury, Dubinsky and Betts.

Can Artem play LW?
Don't know, but Drury has experience at wing, so he could be moved.

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