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05-15-2008, 10:44 AM
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Slats was a great admirer of Lindros..you can see this back to the Canada cup days when both of them were involved (not with each other). It was a reclamation project that Slats though just might work.....it didn't.
I had the DVD of that and they both being interviewed and its a mutual admiration society.

Ditto on Fleury.
I understand the thought to take a chance on a reclamation project. But not on a guy who everyone knew was injury prone (one hit away from the end of his career) and who's brother had already retired because of concussions. You also don't trade the kind of assets that he traded for a reclamation project.

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05-15-2008, 10:47 AM
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Alex Kovalev.

He was just too bad here. Like worthless for long stretches -- before and after he have been dynamite for Pitts and Montreal.

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Alex Kovalev.

He was just too bad here. Like worthless for long stretches -- before and after he have been dynamite for Pitts and Montreal.
His second go around was just painful to watch.

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Who complimented Lindros on this team? Leetch as he was aging? Headcase Fleury? Mike York?

I'm not a huge Lindros fan while he was here but he did try, with little or no help around him.
He could have had two Gretzkys on his wing and the results probably would have been the same. His choices were to play his style and miss 25-30 games, or play the safe style and get through 82 games with very little production.

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05-15-2008, 11:04 AM
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Christian Dube, whatever happen to him??? He vanished and same with daniel goneau

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05-15-2008, 11:56 AM
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one player who did not under achieve but was not treated right by Sather, was John MacLean. I thought he was good as a ranger.


how about sandy mccarthy

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Yes, I don't think its fair to hold that against Savard. that was all management.

Eric Lindros anyone? I don't know about most of you guys but I really thought from what I was fed by the media that he was over his concussions and would be the Lindros of old when he dominated the league... did anyone else feel this way?
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He could have had two Gretzkys on his wing and the results probably would have been the same. His choices were to play his style and miss 25-30 games, or play the safe style and get through 82 games with very little production.
I give Lindros a huge amount of credit for even stepping on the ice at all after all of his concussion problems.

I certainly didn't think he'd ever be the same player with us that he was in his heyday. As someone who's had three of them, I can tell you that you never recover completely from concussions, and knowing in the back of your mind that every time you step on the ice it could be your last has to take a mental toll on you, I don't care who you are.

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one player who did not under achieve but was not treated right by Sather, was John MacLean. I thought he was good as a ranger.


how about sandy mccarthy
What could you have possibly expected Sandy McCarthy to be? And for what it's worth, he did have the two most productive seasons of his career with the Rangers.

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05-15-2008, 12:03 PM
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What could you have possibly expected Sandy McCarthy to be?
stick up for the team instead of staring and flexing the muscles he was an enforcer and he did not enforce when he had too, that is why the rangers at the time got steve big bird mckenna

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I give Lindros a huge amount of credit for even stepping on the ice at all after all of his concussion problems.

I certainly didn't think he'd ever be the same player with us that he was in his heyday. As someone who's had three of them, I can tell you that you never recover completely from concussions, and knowing in the back of your mind that every time you step on the ice it could be your last has to take a mental toll on you, I don't care who you are.
Absolutely. That's why I made the remark about the 2 Gretz's. I don't think it would have mattered, as his body was no longer up to the task.

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stick up for the team instead of staring and flexing the muscles he was an enforcer and he did not enforce when he had too, that is why the rangers at the time got steve big bird mckenna
Top 20 in the league in PIM in 00-01 and 01-02. Didn't fight as much in 02-03 but he played most of that year with a shoulder injury. There are a lot more deserving people of the 'underachiever' label than him.

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05-15-2008, 12:20 PM
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James Patrick never became the player that some thought he would be.

Gene Carr, Sundstrom, Kovalev (but only with us), Barry Beck (mostly because of injuries).

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the majority of the free agent class of 1998

Fleury
Stephane Quintal
Valeri Kamensky

....Scott Fraser!

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05-15-2008, 12:33 PM
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James Patrick never became the player that some thought he would be.

Gene Carr, Sundstrom, Kovalev (but only with us), Barry Beck (mostly because of injuries).
Hard to say a guy who played almost 1300 games in the NHL underachieved. He had some very good seasons too.

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05-15-2008, 01:12 PM
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05-15-2008, 01:16 PM
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Manny Malholtra
How did Malhotra underachieve?

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05-15-2008, 01:17 PM
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omg, where 2 start. BOBBY HOLIK

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05-15-2008, 01:18 PM
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omg, where 2 start. BOBBY HOLIK
Based on what? He was misused and not put in a situation to succeed. He was supposed to shut down other team's top center, not center Eric Lindros on the top line.

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05-15-2008, 01:25 PM
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this has to be the most depressing thread ever.... there were just too many under achievers the last 10 years....sigh

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he did not underachieve, he was used wrong and rushed

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05-15-2008, 01:28 PM
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he did not underachieve, he was used wrong and rushed
He also became a pawn in a power struggle between Smith and Muckler.

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05-15-2008, 01:31 PM
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Neil Smith, Glenn Sather and our scouting department..... he should have spent wisely w/ FA's and our scouting picked some awful talent to draft... those have to be the biggest underachievers

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gotta go with the obvious: kovalev.

the 1st time around i blamed it on ignorance. but the 2nd time ugh!!!

i pinned so many hopes on that guy; welcomed him back with open arms and for what? complete garbage.

honorable mention: fleury. i guess that emotional scene he gave to the canadian press when he officially said goodbye to calgary upon being traded to colorado was a sign. and then to have to be talked into new york by gretzky was the omen.

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05-15-2008, 02:44 PM
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kovalev for sure, not only the biggest ranger underachiever but one of the most underachieving players in NHL history. the guy probably had the rawest talent out of anyone the past 15 years yet hasn't put it altogether. the fact that he has still managed a good NHL career speaks volumes about how talented he is. he's gotten by on talent alone...

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