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05-12-2008, 10:51 PM
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Ok that is just moronic. You know this because?

He is actually one of the better all around center prospects in the NHL.
The only thing that's moronic is thinking prospects hold as much value to other teams as they do to you. Do you really think teams are chomping at the bit to get a guy who isn't NHL proven unless he's projected to go top 5 in this years draft?

So I propose the same question to you: You know AA is worth something to other teams because..?

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05-12-2008, 11:02 PM
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Its true fanbases almost always over value their own prospects. I like Anisimov. But he's a center and we are deep at center and need someone with proven finish to replace Straka/Shanny imo.

I've been a BIG fan of Sather holding the prospects , letting them develop and I feel we are seeing some great results. But trading assets can also better a team, if its the right trade.

Cole is fast and has shown great finish

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05-12-2008, 11:38 PM
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Trade for Cole is doable if its a one for one trade, they want Prucha or Toots fine.

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05-13-2008, 12:21 AM
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So even if it wasn't Eric Cole, for whatever reason, what I don't understand is why any Rangers fan would not want to part with Tyutin. What in the world would make anyone feel he is a 'protected' talent? What has he done to deserve protection...absolutely nothing. Eric Cole or otherwise, at least make Tyutin part of the trade bait.

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So even if it wasn't Eric Cole, for whatever reason, what I don't understand is why any Rangers fan would not want to part with Tyutin. What in the world would make anyone feel he is a 'protected' talent? What has he done to deserve protection...absolutely nothing. Eric Cole or otherwise, at least make Tyutin part of the trade bait.
id move tyutin and throw in hollweg maybe something like this?


tyutin, prucha backman
cole and babchuk???

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05-13-2008, 12:32 AM
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So even if it wasn't Eric Cole, for whatever reason, what I don't understand is why any Rangers fan would not want to part with Tyutin. What in the world would make anyone feel he is a 'protected' talent? What has he done to deserve protection...absolutely nothing. Eric Cole or otherwise, at least make Tyutin part of the trade bait.
He's a young, talented, defenseman signed to a reasonable contract. He did not have a great second half or playoffs, but he also doesn't turn 25 until July. He probably won't ever be a star, but he will be a very good defenseman for us for a long time and people need to stop going chicken little on him. Every defensman who comes through the system isn't going to be Marc Staal. That doesn't make Tyutin any less valuable compared to the rest of the league. Plus we only have three good defensmen under contract (Staal, Tyutin, and Girardi) plus Backman. Why do people want to turn our defense corps into even more of a hole?

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05-13-2008, 12:51 AM
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He's young and is signed to a reasonable contract, I agree. He is not a bad stage of development for his age. While I would not want to trade Staal or Girardi, I feel much less that way about Tyutin, that's all. Give him another year, maybe. But if someone really wanted to trade some gifted player, forward or defenceman, Toots should be considered expendable. I think he has already peaked, and based upon my very subjective argument, it might be better playing the cards (players) we have in Hartford.
Edit: based on getting a real leader on the defensive corps

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05-13-2008, 12:53 AM
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One of the most overrated players in the NHL who cannot create offense by himself and is injury prone. He is in the stretcher at least once a year and I don't see any improvement on that front.
When you get Pearl Harbored by Brooks Orpik, that's somewhat out of your control. He did come back to play in the Finals that year.

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31 years old 23 goals 29 Assists, not exactly stellar.
29 years old, 30 in November.

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05-13-2008, 02:18 AM
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I can give some insight into that. He's always been a good character guy here in Carolina. Very well liked in the locker room here, and among the fan base. I can't recall the guy ever getting into any kind of legal trouble here with the Canes. As for leadership skills, I'm not sure. Eric Staal looks to him as something of a mentor but the guy just hasn't been given a shot to wear a letter here. Part of that is because of some of the guys Carolina has had or still has that have more experience (Francis, Brind'Amour, Wesley, Whitney, Hedican) but speculation is that some of it is due to the belief that he will be gone after his contract expires next season.

As for Tyutin, I'm not sure, really I'm not sure the Rangers are a good fit in a trade here. Rutherford is big on one-for-one deals, I doubt he'd go for Tyutin for Cole straight up and I think there's absolutely no chance Sather goes for a Staal for Cole trade.
No chance is a nice way to put it.

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honestly, if the rangers are looking for a winger, i think they could find better for his pricetag.....4M for cole while having to trade away good youth....ill pass.........this is the same carolina team that gave us cullen and ward...both who didnt play well in this system

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05-13-2008, 04:29 AM
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29 years old, 30 in November.
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31 years old 23 goals 29 Assists, not exactly stellar.
31 based on who's math?

11/06/78 was his birth year which means he JUST TURNS 30 THIS YEAR.

Personally, I agree with some folks here that injuries make it Tyutin for Cole straight up, but he missed just 9 games this year, 11 games the year before he's played in just about 90% of his teams games the last 2 years. The year before that was a broken neck at the hands of Orpik.

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They'd want a top 4 D man + top prospect supposedly.

Toots + Anisimov ?
Too much to give up for an injury prone player.

Just go out and sign Ryan Malone who is a similar type LW.

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05-13-2008, 09:23 PM
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Too much to give up for an injury prone player.

Just go out and sign Ryan Malone who is a similar type LW.
Seriously, the guy is a walking injury! He lives on the IR.

No thanks

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05-15-2008, 01:28 PM
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Carolina would have had to have soured on Cole big time for them to move him. Prior to this current season, Laviolette said publicly if he had any player to start a franchise with it would be Cole. That's right, not E. Staal, but E. Cole. I have to think the rest of the org holds Cole in at least a somewhat similar regard. Can't see them "looking" to move Cole. He's heart and soul for that team.

Tyutin for Cole would be laughed at by the Canes.

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05-15-2008, 04:52 PM
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Carolina would have had to have soured on Cole big time for them to move him. Prior to this current season, Laviolette said publicly if he had any player to start a franchise with it would be Cole. That's right, not E. Staal, but E. Cole. I have to think the rest of the org holds Cole in at least a somewhat similar regard. Can't see them "looking" to move Cole. He's heart and soul for that team.

Tyutin for Cole would be laughed at by the Canes.
Good, let them keep him. No loss here, in fact it's a gain.

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05-15-2008, 09:22 PM
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They'd want a top 4 D man + top prospect supposedly.

Toots + Anisimov ?
Anisimov is not a top prospect. He's a top Rangers prospect, but not top league wide.

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05-15-2008, 11:23 PM
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Anisimov is not a top prospect. He's a top Rangers prospect, but not top league wide.
Yea well we're not allowed to trade other teams prospects are we?

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Tyutin and Backman....get it done!

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05-16-2008, 01:38 AM
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Seriously, the guy is a walking injury! He lives on the IR.

No thanks
read the post two above yours, it may prove enlightening.


i just dont think the rangers are a good fit - he would be good for you guys...i just think they could get a better d than tyutin. im not knocking the guy he just hasnt impressed me enough to trade cole for him, and if the canes are gonna trade a heart and soul guy like cole, then i think its cause theyre getting a better d than that. i could be wrong of course, i just think he could draw more.

whoever early on said cole cant create offense on his own has apparently never watched cole, his rushes down the rw are one of the most consistent offense forming plays the canes have in the book.
heres cole not creating offense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krGGggUVIiw
dont blame me for the music, i didnt make it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upfzo...eature=related

theres a bunch more on there if you need more.


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Tyutin and Backman....get it done!
So basically you want to trade two of the four nhl caliber defensemen that we have under contract for a winger that couldn't help our team any more than someone like malone or ryder could. That just doesn't make any sense to me at all. How do you propose that we fill the four holes on our defense after that ridiculous deal?

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05-17-2008, 02:04 AM
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Cole is on a rapid decline, he will be a 3rd liner by years end.

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