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05-18-2008, 01:14 PM
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What am I missing with Joni Pitkanen? He was horrible in Philly in 07? Granted most of Philly was horrible in 07 but he was shipped out right quick. Did he redeem himself in Oil town?
hes 24 years old, and you can pretty much pencil him in for 40 points a season. He can transport the puck from the blueline all the way into the zone, has a very hard shot, and while he doesnt throw checks like crazy doesnt shy away from hits like Backman. He would look awfully good next to Staal.

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Trading Tyutin who is signed to a very good deal at under $3 million in a deal for Pitkanen who wants major dollars is beyond stupid.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL...29126-sun.html
What's even more stupid is keeping a guy whose play has deteriorated just because he's signed to a nice deal. Ya know, that guy Backman is signed for 2.3 so we should deem him untouchable and give him top pairing minutes.

Pitkanen>Tyutin, nothing wrong with JP wanting more money and a team giving him what he wants.

*******, if there's anything we need to spend money on it's the defense and lack of anything that comes from it.

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Great Call Sather.

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Well from an oiler perspective(you know a few oler fans will swing by here and add few things)

The one guy the oiler fans wanted you traded away at the deadline Montoya

There was a bit of an idea awhile ago that th Rangers were looking at Schremp.

Knowing Sather and Lowe and how they opperate, you might(this is from an oiler perspective) see oilers offer Schremp and Pitkanen for say Staal, Prucha and something--this is from the oiler perspective. I figure I lost most of you at when we asked for Staal. Oilers have 8 nhl d-men ready and I think they may rejig their d a little by moving Pitkanen say to the Rangers and one of their other reargards somewhere ele. But I know that from an Oiler perspective Prucha is more of a question then Pitkanen. After having a great break out year of 30 goals--he looks like he has hit the skids.

Just for the sake of arguemen--if the oilers offered up both Pitkanen and Schremp--what would you offer from the rangers point of view

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hes 24 years old, and you can pretty much pencil him in for 40 points a season. He can transport the puck from the blueline all the way into the zone, has a very hard shot, and while he doesnt throw checks like crazy doesnt shy away from hits like Backman. He would look awfully good next to Staal.
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I think Lowe knows not to ask for Staal. But for Jokinen and Shremp.

Tyutin, Prucha/Dawes/Cally, and a 2nd rounder

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I think Lowe knows not to ask for Staal. But for Jokinen and Shremp.

Tyutin, Prucha/Dawes/Cally, and a 2nd rounder
Pitkanen---Jokinen is florida

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Well from an oiler perspective(you know a few oler fans will swing by here and add few things)

The one guy the oiler fans wanted you traded away at the deadline Montoya

There was a bit of an idea awhile ago that th Rangers were looking at Schremp.

Knowing Sather and Lowe and how they opperate, you might(this is from an oiler perspective) see oilers offer Schremp and Pitkanen for say Staal, Prucha and something--this is from the oiler perspective. I figure I lost most of you at when we asked for Staal. Oilers have 8 nhl d-men ready and I think they may rejig their d a little by moving Pitkanen say to the Rangers and one of their other reargards somewhere ele. But I know that from an Oiler perspective Prucha is more of a question then Pitkanen. After having a great break out year of 30 goals--he looks like he has hit the skids.

Just for the sake of arguemen--if the oilers offered up both Pitkanen and Schremp--what would you offer from the rangers point of view
any trade scenario that has Marc Staal in it, better have Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, or players of that ilk coming back, thats how highly he is thought of here, and by the organization. Hes already the best defenseman on our team, and hes just 20 years old, with a superbly projectable frame, a coaches dream for attitude, and maturity beyond his years. Not to mention the talent to dominate a game from the defensive side of things. He hasnt even started to throw his body around yet, nor has he started to try to play the offensive end of things. The kid is already so good, and yet has so much room to go, its absolutely frightening.

But for arguments sake, for Schremp and Pitkanen, i would do something along the lines of Tyutin, Prucha or Dawes, another mid range prospect, and a 2nd rounder. THats the absolute max I would go for those 2 guys. Remember, Pitkanen is about to have a payday, thats not a good contract to be taking back.

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if the oilers offered up both Pitkanen and Schremp--what would you offer from the rangers point of view
Well Staal is off the table. At least that is the general and wise assumption.

Rangers have need of offensive PPQB type D man but dont really have any Bona Fide sure things to trade away. They have players with excellent "potential".

Prucha
Dawes
Callahan

In Hartford and beyond:

Cherepenov
Anisimov
Bourret
Sanguinetti
Korpikoski


The D corp right now

Roszival
Malik
Mara
Struds are all UFA TO BE


That leaves Tyutin, Staal, Girardi signed and unlikely to be traded.



How sour is Edmonton on Schremp? I think Sather would have an interest if he could really get a GREAT deal. Buy low on Schremp and see if Renny can teach him to skate and play defense.

But what would the Oil expect back for Joni?

Pruchas value is pretty low and the other guys are all unproven.

Prucha + 1st round pick ?

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Well from an oiler perspective(you know a few oler fans will swing by here and add few things)

The one guy the oiler fans wanted you traded away at the deadline Montoya

There was a bit of an idea awhile ago that th Rangers were looking at Schremp.

Knowing Sather and Lowe and how they opperate, you might(this is from an oiler perspective) see oilers offer Schremp and Pitkanen for say Staal, Prucha and something--this is from the oiler perspective. I figure I lost most of you at when we asked for Staal. Oilers have 8 nhl d-men ready and I think they may rejig their d a little by moving Pitkanen say to the Rangers and one of their other reargards somewhere ele. But I know that from an Oiler perspective Prucha is more of a question then Pitkanen. After having a great break out year of 30 goals--he looks like he has hit the skids.

Just for the sake of arguemen--if the oilers offered up both Pitkanen and Schremp--what would you offer from the rangers point of view
Tyutin, Prucha + 3rd 08

I might bump that to a 2nd if we could get Torres coming back.

Prucha could easily net 30 again, he obviously has the skill, but he hasn't been used this season the way he was the previous two. He was logging top minutes on the power play with Jagr and Nylander for a lot of his rookie and sophomore seasons. Now he's limited to 3rd or 4th line minutes and no PP time.

Schremp is a great young player, but he's also a center, which we're overloaded at to begin with. If he could play wing, he might be of interest, but he does come with some people saying he has a bad attitude. Not to mention he's a 'dangler' and doesn't appear to be much of a two way forward. However, like I've said before, I think Renney could do a lot with Schremp.

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Pitkanen---Jokinen is florida
Ah oops, was thinking of Jokinen for some reason when I meant Pitkanen.

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Would you rather

Prucha + Tyutin + a 2nd for Joni

Prucha + 1st for Joni

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Would you rather

Prucha + Tyutin + a 2nd for Joni

Prucha + 1st for Joni
easily the 2nd

wow is Tyutin suddenly underated.

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Yea I think so too.

Its a deep draft, but with Joni you know what your getting so maybe the 1st is worth it and hold onto Tyutin.

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any trade scenario that has Marc Staal in it, better have Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, or players of that ilk coming back, thats how highly he is thought of here, and by the organization. Hes already the best defenseman on our team, and hes just 20 years old, with a superbly projectable frame, a coaches dream for attitude, and maturity beyond his years. Not to mention the talent to dominate a game from the defensive side of things. He hasnt even started to throw his body around yet, nor has he started to try to play the offensive end of things. The kid is already so good, and yet has so much room to go, its absolutely frightening.

But for arguments sake, for Schremp and Pitkanen, i would do something along the lines of Tyutin, Prucha or Dawes, another mid range prospect, and a 2nd rounder. THats the absolute max I would go for those 2 guys. Remember, Pitkanen is about to have a payday, thats not a good contract to be taking back.
This is starting to become laughable. Apparently, people do not realize that the name "Marc Staal" and the term "untouchable" are currently synonymous these days, and that, unless a franchise player is headed to the Rangers in a deal, Staal will not be part of any deal. Pitkanen and McCabe (two recent trade topics) do not qualify as such. In fact, in scanning the Edmonton roster, there is not a player in the system I would trade Marc Staal to get. In fact, outside of the rosters of Washington and Pittsburgh, (and perhaps, Atlanta and Calgary), I'm not sure of any rosters with players I would trade Staal to get.

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easily the 2nd

wow is Tyutin suddenly underated.
That's what happens when you **** the bed for about 5/8 months of the hockey season.

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Apparently, Ranger fans have a short term memory of the disaster that was Tyutin's playoff. Again, Pitkanen and Tyutin really isn't much of a comparison. Pitkanen can actually hit the net with his shot, is the same age as Tyutin, and has a higher upside.
No, just some fans don't judge a player simply on how he performed in one playoff campaign

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No, just some fans don't judge a player simply on how he performed in one playoff campaign

Frankly, it's been more than one...he was mediocre in last year's playoff. especially against Buffalo. His development has flatlined, and, if the opportunity to get a better D-man, with better upside arises, the Rangers should have NO hesitation to deal him for that player.

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Seems as though the Oilers board is looking to unload some bodies this summer as they are near the contract max. So they'd want more bodies leaving than returning.

It's really surprising to see how many people think Staal is just an average player and could easily be packaged for a guy like Pitkanen. I guess the Staal family name is only impressive if you're a center?

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One of the guys on the oilers board offered me this:

Pitkanen, Stoll, and Schremp or 1 of the Oilers dmen prospect(petry,chorney, etc)
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Dubinsky and Girardi


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Seems as though the Oilers board is looking to unload some bodies this summer as they are near the contract max. So they'd want more bodies leaving than returning.

It's really surprising to see how many people think Staal is just an average player and could easily be packaged for a guy like Pitkanen. I guess the Staal family name is only impressive if you're a center?

I think everyone here agreed Staal CANNOT be packaged up for Pitkanen.

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Seems as though the Oilers board is looking to unload some bodies this summer as they are near the contract max. So they'd want more bodies leaving than returning.

It's really surprising to see how many people think Staal is just an average player and could easily be packaged for a guy like Pitkanen. I guess the Staal family name is only impressive if you're a center?

Edit:

One of the guys on the oilers board offered me this:

Pitkanen, Stoll, and Schremp or 1 of the Oilers dmen prospect(petry,chorney, etc)
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Dubinsky and Girardi
no thanks. Dubinsky is already our #1 center, and still has a lot of growing up to do (learning to fight, learning to be even more aggressive with his body, learning to score more goals, etc). Hes a great kid, I wouldnt do that trade, but its actually a pretty reasonable offer.

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February 13th was when Jagr Dubinsky and Avery first were put together, and then Straka was shifted up there when Gomez got hurt, so effectively from 2/13 till the last playoff game, Jagr had a combination of players he was comfortable with.

Couting the playoffs thats 33 games, 15 goals, 24 assists, for 39 points.

Extrapolate those numbers to 82 games it becomes 37 goals 60 assists for 97 points.

Brooks' argument that the lack of chemistry was why his numbers were down does hold a lot of water when you look at it that way.

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Tyutin, Prucha + 3rd 08
I doubt that gets it done for Pitkanen and Schremp.

You have to consider that Pitkanen is a young defenseman who can get you 40 points and has elite potential and that Schremp led Springfield in points this year by almost 30 points. For all the negativity that seems to surround Schremp, he can still become a second line player.

Prucha, whose value has been destroyed since scoring 30 goals and Tyutin, whose offensive game has not developed as expected and is coming off a crap playoffs, plus a throw in 3rd rounder isn't enough.

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btw, for ***** and giggles,

Dubinskys performance during that time period:

33 games, 9 goals, 16 assists for 25 points.

Extrapolate that to 82 games, 22 goals, 40 assists, 62 points.

That wouldnt be a bad sophomore year at all.

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i'd rather sign a guy like campbell who is proven, then trade away assets like dawes and tyuts for an a premedona pitkanen

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