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05-18-2008, 02:58 PM
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i'd rather sign a guy like campbell who is proven, then trade away assets like dawes and tyuts for an a premedona pitkanen
somewhere, an opera singer just threw up

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05-18-2008, 03:01 PM
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I doubt that gets it done for Pitkanen and Schremp.

You have to consider that Pitkanen is a young defenseman who can get you 40 points and has elite potential and that Schremp led Springfield in points this year by almost 30 points. For all the negativity that seems to surround Schremp, he can still become a second line player.

Prucha, whose value has been destroyed since scoring 30 goals and Tyutin, whose offensive game has not developed as expected and is coming off a crap playoffs, plus a throw in 3rd rounder isn't enough.
Fair enough. But in my eyes, a proven 30 goal scorer in the NHL holds higher value than a guy who is playing well in the AHL. Even if he did have a rough 3rd season.

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05-18-2008, 03:16 PM
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As I've stated in other threads, I would much rather see the Rangers make a deal for Bouwmeester or Weber. If Slats can get a discount from his buddy Lowe, then yeah, I would be interested. The problem with Pitkanen is not his defensive play - which although could use improvement, is not bad all - but his health. He's constantly injured, and he's never played 80+ games in a season at the NHL level.

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05-18-2008, 03:27 PM
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As I've stated in other threads, I would much rather see the Rangers make a deal for Bouwmeester or Weber. If Slats can get a discount from his buddy Lowe, then yeah, I would be interested. The problem with Pitkanen is not his defensive play - which although could use improvement, is not bad all - but his health. He's constantly injured, and he's never played 80+ games in a season at the NHL level.
I've read from some Philly posters that we should also be concerned about his mental health as well.

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05-18-2008, 03:43 PM
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i'd rather sign a guy like campbell who is proven, then trade away assets like dawes and tyuts for an a premedona pitkanen
Campbell = a significant $$$$ commitment.

Sather could probably find a way, but Soup boy isnt going to be cheap

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05-18-2008, 03:48 PM
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Fair enough. But in my eyes, a proven 30 goal scorer in the NHL holds higher value than a guy who is playing well in the AHL. Even if he did have a rough 3rd season.
In the eyes of other teams fans, and to a certain extent their teams GMs

Prucha = busted

Anyone interested is looking to buy low on a gamble

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05-18-2008, 03:52 PM
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Why would they give up Pitkanen for Tyutin?

I just don't get it. Do they have too many offensive d-man that they can afford to lose Pitkanen for Tyutin? What's the deal?

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I've read from some Philly posters that we should also be concerned about his mental health as well.
Now that I know I nothing about.

What did they say?

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Why would they give up Pitkanen for Tyutin?

I just don't get it. Do they have too many offensive d-man that they can afford to lose Pitkanen for Tyutin? What's the deal?
well they have Souray, Gilbert and Stoll who plays the point on the PP.

Pitkanen usually plays 2nd unit.

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February 13th was when Jagr Dubinsky and Avery first were put together, and then Straka was shifted up there when Gomez got hurt, so effectively from 2/13 till the last playoff game, Jagr had a combination of players he was comfortable with.

Couting the playoffs thats 33 games, 15 goals, 24 assists, for 39 points.

Extrapolate those numbers to 82 games it becomes 37 goals 60 assists for 97 points.

Brooks' argument that the lack of chemistry was why his numbers were down does hold a lot of water when you look at it that way.
well Brooks' argument is that someone other than Dubinsky should be Jagr's center.

and Dubinsky is not Jordan Staal. if he is the 3rd line center, he would be of the Matt Cullen mould, not as a checking center.

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Now that I know I nothing about.

What did they say?
not really his mental health, but they basically think he's a dick and careless.

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05-18-2008, 04:11 PM
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Now that I know I nothing about.

What did they say?
I don't want to quote anyone incorrectly, but some said that he is just a weird dude.

There is a video of him picking his nose, looking around to see that no was looking and eating it during a stoppage in play. Funny part was that he was on the ice when he did this.

I remember reading somewhere that he talks to himself a lot and is kind of a loner in the lockeroom. By his choice.

I'll try to find the thread and post it here.

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Found the booger.....man...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5i6Is-yhxFU


Lets not forget him getting popped by fridge at practice for being a dick...

I'd try to land him for some picks..... draft that is.......

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not really his mental health, but they basically think he's a dick and careless.
Careless like Dare devil doesn't give a ****** careless, or he is just a d**k in general & will say or do anything because he has no content filter & doesn't care who he hurts.

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I have a real tough time seeing Pitkanen being traded to the Rangers without a third team involved. The Oilers are only going to move Pitkanen to get a star forward and the Rangers don't have a player like that they can trade. I wouldn't be overly shocked if the Rangers put an offer sheet out to one of the following players:

Pitkanen
Ryan Suter
Bouwmeester
Mike Green
Shea Weber

In fact, some of these guys (namely Green, Bouwmeester and Weber) are possibly in the top in defensemen in the NHL and they are all young. I think the guys that would most likely not have offers matched by their current teams would be Pitkanen and Suter. I think the Oilers would gladly take a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick for Pitkanen.

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I've read from some Philly posters that we should also be concerned about his mental health as well.
A good amount of Flyers posters would be thrilled if Pitkanen is traded to the Rangers.


When Pitkanen is up, he is great. All-star caliber


When he is down...think of your relationship with Christan Backman.

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05-18-2008, 05:23 PM
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A good amount of Flyers posters would be thrilled if Pitkanen is traded to the Rangers.


When Pitkanen is up, he is great. All-star caliber


When he is down...think of your relationship with Christan Backman.
Backman takes much unwarrented abuse.

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05-18-2008, 05:36 PM
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Considering the Oilers there were plenty of rumors the Rangers were HOT for Souray last summer and he waited so long to sign so the Rangers could try to fit him in...

I think he has 4 years and 20 mill left on his deal

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What's even more stupid is keeping a guy whose play has deteriorated just because he's signed to a nice deal. Ya know, that guy Backman is signed for 2.3 so we should deem him untouchable and give him top pairing minutes.

Pitkanen>Tyutin, nothing wrong with JP wanting more money and a team giving him what he wants.

*******, if there's anything we need to spend money on it's the defense and lack of anything that comes from it.
You haven't seen Pitkanen's play the last two seasons.The Flyers couldn't wait to dump him and his performance in Edmonton hasn't caused Edmonton to open up the coffers.Two teams giving up on him in less than 1 year in a league where skating defenseman are a premimum.That doesn't raise more than a couple of red flags?

Pitkanen hasn't been the same player since the abdominal muscle tear which required surgery two years ago.

Tyutin's play deteriorated?Huh

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You haven't seen Pitkanen's play the last two seasons.The Flyers couldn't wait to dump him and his performance in Edmonton hasn't caused Edmonton to open up the coffers.Two teams giving up on him in less than 1 year in league where skating defenseman are a premimum.That doesn't raise more than a couple of red flags?

Pitkanen hasn't been the same player since the abdominal muscle tear which required surgery two years ago.

Tyutin's play deteriorated?Huh
Yea, thats why I'm not interested. Just sign Campbell.

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Yea, thats why I'm not interested. Just sign Campbell.
thats what i said earlier, and if we even try to get him hes probably worth

backman, prucha, and a 3rd, thats it

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Well from an oiler perspective(you know a few oler fans will swing by here and add few things)

The one guy the oiler fans wanted you traded away at the deadline Montoya

There was a bit of an idea awhile ago that th Rangers were looking at Schremp.

Knowing Sather and Lowe and how they opperate, you might(this is from an oiler perspective) see oilers offer Schremp and Pitkanen for say Staal, Prucha and something--this is from the oiler perspective. I figure I lost most of you at when we asked for Staal. Oilers have 8 nhl d-men ready and I think they may rejig their d a little by moving Pitkanen say to the Rangers and one of their other reargards somewhere ele. But I know that from an Oiler perspective Prucha is more of a question then Pitkanen. After having a great break out year of 30 goals--he looks like he has hit the skids.

Just for the sake of arguemen--if the oilers offered up both Pitkanen and Schremp--what would you offer from the rangers point of view
Not interested in Schremp. Since you have enough d-men already I'd rather keep Tyutin. Prucha needs a new home. I'd consider this years first for another piece. I'd expect that would not be enough but that's what I'd start with.

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Agreed. Tyutin was just signed to a deal guys, why would Sather trade him for another Defenseman... Makes no sense.
Why? For a better player. Signing a new deal doesn't make a player untouchable... plans change... if the Pens got drunk and offered Malkin for Tyutin, would you not do it just because he recently extended?

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There is a video of him picking his nose, looking around to see that no was looking and eating it during a stoppage in play. Funny part was that he was on the ice when he did this.
I'm not sure if picking his nose and eating the resulting nostril candy is a reason not to want a player on your team. Not shaking the guy's hand? Maybe. But I think I'd rather evaluate his talent based on what he does while the clock is running.

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cambell> redden --- next year not carrer.. and contracts
cambell > pittkinen

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Campbells overpaid contract > all

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