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Cap-Hit/Salary Chart 2008-2009 Edition

Pre-liminary 2008-2009 Salary/Cap Chart

  
Projected Cap Hit$55,831,000
Salary Cap$56,700,000
Left to Spend
$869,000
12 Forwards, 7 Defencemen, 2 Goalies. (Signed)


<< Projected Flyers >>
PlayerCap Hit2008/20092009/20102010/20112011/122012/13ClauseBonus
Simon Gagne (LW)$5,250,000$5,250,000$5,250,000$5,250,000UFA NTC 
Scott Hartnell (LW)$4,200,000$4,700,000$4,200,000$4,200,000$3,700,000$3,200,000  
Riley Cote(LW)
$550,000
$550,000
$550,000
$550,000
UFA   
Arron Asham (F)
$625,000
$625,000
$625,000
UFA     
         
Mike Knuble (RW)$2,800,000$2,800,000UFA     
Joffrey Lupul (RW)$2,311,667$2,900,000$4,250,000$4,250,000$4,250,000$4,250,000  
Scottie Upshall (RW)$1,225,000$1,250,000RFA     
Andreas Nodl (RW)
$850,000
$850,000
$850,000
$850,000
RFA 2-Way 
         
Daniel Briere (C)$6,500,000$8,000,000$8,000,000$7,000,000$7,000,000$7,000,000NMC 
Mike Richards (C)
$5,750,000
$5,400,000$5,600,000$6,400,000$6,600,000$8,400,000  
Jeff Carter (C)$5,000,000$5,000,000$5,000,000$5,000,000RFA*   
Glen Metropolit(C)$1,000,000$1,000,000$1,000,000UFA    
         
Kimmo Timonen (D)$6,333,333$8,000,000$7,000,000$7,000,000$5,000,000$3,000,000NMC 
Matt Carle (D) $3,438,000$2,950,0003,500,0003,500,0003,800,000UFA  
Braydon Coburn (D)$1,300,000$1,200,000$1,400,000RFA    
Andrew Alberts(D)$1,223,000$1,400,000UFA     
Ossi Vaananen(D)$1,000,000$1,000,000UFA     
Luca Sbisa(D)
$875,000
$875,000
$875,000
$875,000
RFA   
Lasse Kukkonen (D)
$875,000
$900,000
UFA     
         
Martin Biron (G)$3,500,000$3,500,000UFA   NTC 
Antero Niittymaki (G)$1,225,000$1,375,000UFA     
         
IR        
Derian Hatcher (D)$3,500,000$3,500,000UFA     
Randy Jones (D)$2,750,000$2,750,000UFA     
Ryan Parent (D)
$855,000
$855,000
RFA     


LTIR:
Mike Rathje Cap Hit: 3.5 million

Derian Hatcher (D)|$3,500,000|$3,500,000|UFA|
Randy Jones (D)|$2,7500,000|$2,7500,000|UFA|


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Guys we can use this thread for Cap/Lineup discussions.

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I didn't even realize Thoresen was up. How much do you think his pay will go up? I don't think it'll be a problem getting him signed, as I don't see him getting anything over $1 mil, even if he gets that much.

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Cote ~$650K
Thoresen ~$700K
Jones probably gets like ~$1M


Thoresen also goes to arbitration.


And next year Biron might be the only one we have a real pressing decision on.

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Cote ~$650K
Thoresen ~$700K
Jones probably gets like ~$1M


Thoresen also goes to arbitration.


And next year Biron might be the only one we have a real pressing decision on.
Biron and Lupul are the big 2.

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Ok, I am just wondering how this goes. To me, Umberger and Jones are definites to be in the Orange and Black next season at a hit of about $4 million combined and that is being conservative in my opinion. Then you have kids coming that you have to factor, Claude Giroux will undoubtedly be an NHL player at about $0.85 cap hit. Also, I think Richards' number is actually $6.625, not the $5.75 you have listed. That is an additional $0.9 million. Total between those four players $5.75 million and you still only have 5 defenseman (need 2 more), and 12 forwards (need at least 1 more) and less than $3 million left to cover those guys.

To get 3 players under $3 million dollars you need to be quite thrifty and it seems to me, that Jeff Carter is the piece that does not get accounted for anywhere. Do you guys disagree? Do you think there is a chance Carter will be back in the orange and black?

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Cote ~$650K
Thoresen ~$700K
Jones probably gets like ~$1M


Thoresen also goes to arbitration.


And next year Biron might be the only one we have a real pressing decision on.
Aside from Biron, the only other player I'd like to see signed after next season, is Lupul. That means, however, that he'd back up to par as far as points go, and avoiding injuries. I, unfortunately, don't see it happening though.

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Ok, I am just wondering how this goes. To me, Umberger and Jones are definites to be in the Orange and Black next season at a hit of about $4 million combined and that is being conservative in my opinion. Then you have kids coming that you have to factor, Claude Giroux will undoubtedly be an NHL player at about $0.85 cap hit. Also, I think Richards' number is actually $6.625, not the $5.75 you have listed. That is an additional $0.9 million. Total between those four players $5.75 million and you still only have 5 defenseman (need 2 more), and 12 forwards (need at least 1 more) and less than $3 million left to cover those guys.

To get 3 players under $3 million dollars you need to be quite thrifty and it seems to me, that Jeff Carter is the piece that does not get accounted for anywhere. Do you guys disagree? Do you think there is a chance Carter will be back in the orange and black?
If anybody is going to be back in the orange and black next season out of Carter, Umberger, and Jones, it is most definitely going to be Carter. He's the teams number one priority right now.

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Ok, I am just wondering how this goes. To me, Umberger and Jones are definites to be in the Orange and Black next season at a hit of about $4 million combined and that is being conservative in my opinion. Then you have kids coming that you have to factor, Claude Giroux will undoubtedly be an NHL player at about $0.85 cap hit. Also, I think Richards' number is actually $6.625, not the $5.75 you have listed. That is an additional $0.9 million. Total between those four players $5.75 million and you still only have 5 defenseman (need 2 more), and 12 forwards (need at least 1 more) and less than $3 million left to cover those guys.

To get 3 players under $3 million dollars you need to be quite thrifty and it seems to me, that Jeff Carter is the piece that does not get accounted for anywhere. Do you guys disagree? Do you think there is a chance Carter will be back in the orange and black?
They will move bodies in order to keep Carter next year. I see a very likely scenario where Umberger is traded.

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He'll also be by far the most expensive of the three and your top two centers are Briere and Richards for many, many years. If you sign Carter you have to round out the bottom couple of roster spots on the cheap it seems?

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Ok, I am just wondering how this goes. To me, Umberger and Jones are definites to be in the Orange and Black next season at a hit of about $4 million combined and that is being conservative in my opinion. Then you have kids coming that you have to factor, Claude Giroux will undoubtedly be an NHL player at about $0.85 cap hit. Also, I think Richards' number is actually $6.625, not the $5.75 you have listed. That is an additional $0.9 million. Total between those four players $5.75 million and you still only have 5 defenseman (need 2 more), and 12 forwards (need at least 1 more) and less than $3 million left to cover those guys.

To get 3 players under $3 million dollars you need to be quite thrifty and it seems to me, that Jeff Carter is the piece that does not get accounted for anywhere. Do you guys disagree? Do you think there is a chance Carter will be back in the orange and black?
Richards' number is 5.75. and Carter is way more important to this team than Umberger and Jones.

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Just so you guys know, I am asking pretty much for my wife who is in love with Jeff Carter and a huge Flyers fan, so I am not asking as a Rangers fan/Flyers hater. It just seems like everybody loves the guy and he is supposed to be the future of the team, but is it possible for him to even get a top 6 spot with Briere and Richards ahead of him? He is sure to demand top 6 money this offseason in my opinion.

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He'll also be by far the most expensive of the three and your top two centers are Briere and Richards for many, many years. If you sign Carter you have to round out the bottom couple of roster spots on the cheap it seems?
If an Umberger trade can catch us a top-4 d-man somehow, maybe including another body, than the only other player we have to worry about signing is Jones. I'm not sure what to expect out of his contract, but if it's around $1 mil, and hopefully for not anymore, we shouldn't have a problem.

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Just so you guys know, I am asking pretty much for my wife who is in love with Jeff Carter and a huge Flyers fan, so I am not asking as a Rangers fan/Flyers hater. It just seems like everybody loves the guy and he is supposed to be the future of the team, but is it possible for him to even get a top 6 spot with Briere and Richards ahead of him? He is sure to demand top 6 money this offseason in my opinion.
Here's a little research project...go look at the TOI numbers for the playoffs and latter half of the regular season. Then we can discuss Briere's "status" as the no. 1/2 center in Philly...not to mention that he played the final two games of the regular season on the wing.

Briere may be a full time wing next year if they can find a no. 3 center to fill in behind Carter and Richards...not the other way around.

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To get 3 players under $3 million dollars you need to be quite thrifty and it seems to me, that Jeff Carter is the piece that does not get accounted for anywhere. Do you guys disagree? Do you think there is a chance Carter will be back in the orange and black?
I would think Knuble could be dealt to free up some cap space.

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Just so you guys know, I am asking pretty much for my wife who is in love with Jeff Carter and a huge Flyers fan, so I am not asking as a Rangers fan/Flyers hater. It just seems like everybody loves the guy and he is supposed to be the future of the team, but is it possible for him to even get a top 6 spot with Briere and Richards ahead of him? He is sure to demand top 6 money this offseason in my opinion.
In the playoffs he usually logged more time than Briere and sometimes Richards aswell. And Briere was experimented on wing the last 2 games vs the penguins aswell. We could see something like this:

Gagne-Richards-Briere
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Hartnell-Umberger-Lupul

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just gotta hope carter doesnt field any calls from kevin lowe

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just gotta hope carter doesnt field any calls from kevin lowe
I think the only offer that would cause serious consideration would be a 4 1st rounder offer...

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With the 09 draft supposed to rival the 03 draft, I think GMs will be targeting low key RFAs, that will only cost like a 2nd and 3rd.

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We are screwed.

Jones is going to want 1.5, plus signing Carter will take a big hit (likely 4-5 million). That leaves us with barely any wiggle room to sign our role players and have room for a good defenseman.

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We are screwed.

Jones is going to want 1.5, plus signing Carter will take a big hit (likely 4-5 million). That leaves us with barely any wiggle room to sign our role players and have room for a good defenseman.
Jones is low priority...he has some offensive chops, but his poor decision making foibles make him less and less effective the more minutes he plays over a long haul. Kukkonen is perfectly fine for the 3rd pairing, and we need a definite no. 3-4 to play next year. If Jones wants a significant pay raise he can move on, and you go into next year with:

Coburn-Timonen
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all is well...the guy that you pick up will NEED to be someone who can bring some offense.

There are some tough decisions to make, but we're not screwed.

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We are screwed.

Jones is going to want 1.5, plus signing Carter will take a big hit (likely 4-5 million). That leaves us with barely any wiggle room to sign our role players and have room for a good defenseman.
how are we screwed then? If Jones asks for 1.5 then Holmer will make the Q-offer and deal him. No way do you give Jones more then Coburn. Someone mentioned about "re-working" Coburns deal if that happens in another thread, I dont think that is allowed in the current CBA to rework a players contract. If Jones asks for more then 1.2 million you send him on his way.
Carter is priority #1 obviously. If they can get him signed in the 5 million dollar range I will be thrilled.
Do the Flyers bring back Thor? I dont know. I guess it depends on what he asks for.
Smith is likely gone, Modry is gone.
Hatcher who really knows. He said he wants to come back, but his body is really starting to break down. He gutted it out, and probably came back sooner then he should have this season and that should not be forgotten.
Kapanen IMO is probably going to retire. I know he has a year left, but You know he is sick of the travel ect and wants to start spending time for his family back home.
Cote can be brought back at similar money as his last contract I would think.
I think we should be allright. I do think that guys like Knuble could be up for trade for a draft pick or 2, and that would clear more salary. If the Flyers believe what many on this board do that Giroux could be ready next season then he would be the odd man out.

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If we could offload Hartnell in the offseason I really think it would be worth it.

He just makes too much money.

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If we could offload Hartnell in the offseason I really think it would be worth it.

He just makes too much money.
he's fine for what he brings, especially with the growing cap and the impending departure of Knuble. greater consistency would be the only desire out of Hartnell for next year...as opposed to the hot and cold offense.

there are only so many guys in this league that play the physical bang and crash style in front of the net with offense, sandpaper, and sound defensive play. Hartnell is one of 'em.

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Guys we can use this thread for Cap/Lineup discussions.
Should Ryan Parent be on your salary list?

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