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05-20-2008, 08:57 PM
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Holy Crap!!!

Not that it will happen, but after some number crunching we could reallistically fit jagr AND hossa AND campbell under the cap. how the hell is that possible?

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05-20-2008, 08:59 PM
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Not that it will happen, but after some number crunching we could reallistically fit jagr AND hossa AND campbell under the cap. how the hell is that possible?
It can definitely be possible, but I don't see the Rangers doing that. Maybe they go for Hossa, since Jagr will only come back for a year or two.

I'm not too sure if they get both Hossa and Campbell though, since competition for signing them will be fierce. They're definitely both needs, so we'll see what happens.

I think I'd rather like to see Hossa on Gomez' wing.

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do you mind showing the math? id be interested in seeing that.

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do you mind showing the math? id be interested in seeing that.
Of course its possible while fielding three defensemen

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do you mind showing the math? id be interested in seeing that.
Sean Avery-3.8 Brandon Dubinsky-0.634 Jaromir Jagr-6.8

Chris Drury-7.05 Scott Gomez-7.357143 Marian Hossa-8.0

Korpedo1.017533 Artem Anisimov-0.850 Ryan Callahan-0.575

Fredrik Sjostrom-0.9 Blair Betts-0.615 Dane Byers-0.608333


Marc Staal0.826667 Brian Campbell7.2

Fedor Tyutin2.85 Dan Girardi1.55

Corey Potter0.542 Brooks Orpik3.0

lundqvist-6.875
vally-0.800
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...and that's with trading dawes(for a spot for hossa), and the signing of orpik for 3mill, so if we are tight, let a rookie play for cheap rather than orpik...and BTW midnight85, thats a damn good defense

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05-20-2008, 09:16 PM
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43 million among 6 players?!

No way! We would never be able to resign any of our RFAs and teams would be lined up to offer Staal/Dubinsky offer sheets.

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05-20-2008, 09:18 PM
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43 million among 6 players?!

No way! We would never be able to resign any of our RFAs and teams would be lined up to offer Staal/Dubinsky offer sheets.
yea, no way in hell i do this, but im just saying, because most people were saying it was either jagr or hossa.why not both, and a 7 mil d-man?

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05-20-2008, 09:24 PM
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43 million among 6 players?!

No way! We would never be able to resign any of our RFAs and teams would be lined up to offer Staal/Dubinsky offer sheets.
thats what i noticed too.

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Even if it could be done, down the road, we'd be screwed unless the cap happened to go up 10 million or some crazy number like that.

If Jagr took a 2 year 8 million dollar contract to allow the Rangers to have space to bring Hossa and a defenseman (Liles at 4 years 18 million and/or Orpik 5 years 15 million?) in, it could work and not screw the Rangers long term in the process.

That would be pretty interesting, and considering that Sather wants to bring Jagr back, which signals the fact that he's not done going for the cup, it could happen. He could talk to Jagr, give him the reigns again, and try to convince him to take a discount to get Hossa.

Remember, signing Chris Drury was enough of a factor to get Scott Gomez to sign here.

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05-20-2008, 09:54 PM
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Remember, signing Chris Drury was enough of a factor to get Scott Gomez to sign here.
didnt they not know that they both signed until afterwards?, or am i stupid and not understanding your post?

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Yea it's interesting that we have the flexibility, but it's irresponsible. there's also too much turnover in the roster.

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no way we get all 3 nor should we. The Lightning are in quite a mess atm because of putting so much money into 3 players...The Rangers can't do that.

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That's also with the assumption that we can insert 4 players (Potter, Byers, Anisimov, and everyone's favorite goal-a-game-pace-player Korpedo) with only one NHL game between them into the lineup and expect them to all be successful to a degree that it won't hinder the team.

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yea, no way in hell i do this, but im just saying, because most people were saying it was either jagr or hossa.why not both, and a 7 mil d-man?
Tampa Bay will tell you why

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no way we should sign all 3, besides campbell wants a kings ransom.

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Rangers have room for Jagr and ONE more large salary and it should go to a Bona Fide D man if Possible.

And if Jagr comes back dont you think Straka is signed as well?


I dont doubt that Soupman will be interested to coming back east for his big payday. Rangers will surely "evaluate" his game skills and how they fit with the Renny philosophy. He's not that great a defensive player. But he does move that puck.

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that adds up to almost 62 million dollars, plus there is 1.5 mill in dead cap space rolled over, making it 63.5 millionish

even if 3 mil gets rolled over that puts us 4.5 mil over the cap.

not only does it not work, but our team would be in cap hell...pretty much forever.

bye bye marc staal
bye bye dubinsky
bye bye cherepanov
bye bye callahan
bye bye sanguinetti
bye bye sauer

etc

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05-21-2008, 01:42 AM
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I hate this thread

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It works, except Anisimov isn't ready. I wouldn't pay Jagr that much either.


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Sean Avery-3.8 Brandon Dubinsky-0.634 Jaromir Jagr-6.8

Chris Drury-7.05 Scott Gomez-7.357143 Marian Hossa-8.0

Korpedo1.017533 Artem Anisimov-0.850 Ryan Callahan-0.575

Fredrik Sjostrom-0.9 Blair Betts-0.615 Dane Byers-0.608333


Marc Staal0.826667 Brian Campbell7.2

Fedor Tyutin2.85 Dan Girardi1.55

Corey Potter0.542 Brooks Orpik3.0

lundqvist-6.875
vally-0.800
------------------------------------------------------------
...and that's with trading dawes(for a spot for hossa), and the signing of orpik for 3mill, so if we are tight, let a rookie play for cheap rather than orpik...and BTW midnight85, thats a damn good defense

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Tampa Bay will tell you why
Yeah, but Jagr could be signed for just one year. So this year it would work, and the following year, we'll use Jagr's salary (and cap increase) for our own RFA's.

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I think Campbell is way overrated by a lot of people. Paying him like he's an elite player--7.2 mil. Jesus H. Christ. He is in no way, shape and form a HOF player. He is a sorry substitute for Brian Leetch. Not the way to go. Signing both him and Hossa long term not only opens up an opportunity for teams to offer Staal, Dubinsky offer sheets but pretty much means were done as far as the UFA market until some of these players start coming off the payroll. This is a team we would be stuck with come hell or high water and frankly I don't see it as a real Cup contender--not that I'm seeing next years team that way anyway. We would have no flexibility to make moves--none. We'd be waiting for other teams to cherrypick our best young players.

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It works, except Anisimov isn't ready. I wouldn't pay Jagr that much either.
how does it work? im curious? unless i did my math wrong, that adds up to 63.5ish (dont forget the ~1.5 million that rolls over), with ZERO backup players outside of Vally (can he also play forward and defense?)

Were talking roughly 7.5 million over the cap, and even if Jagr signed a 1 year contract with bonuses, only about 3 mil or so can roll over. so at best that lineup, with no backup forwards or defenseman, is 4.5 million dollars over the cap.

Im sorry, but not only does this NOT work mathematically, it would make no sense whatsoever to have no backup players, and it would make no sense to have so much money tied up in so many players for such long terms. youre talking essentially 6 7+ million dollar players, when more than 3 is considered idiotic.

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Before we do all this drastic stuff here...

Lets first get Bure some cybernetic knees, and put Gretz and Messier through that time machine we just found, too.

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If only there were cybernetic knees for Bure...
Can we get Lindros a new head?

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no way we get all 3 nor should we. The Lightning are in quite a mess atm because of putting so much money into 3 players...The Rangers can't do that.
the Lightning never had a goalie, were decimated by injuries and have a self imposed cap which is about $10 mil less than the real cap.... that's why they are a mess.... Please stop comparing the Lightning to the Rangers.... in no way are their situations similar.... If the lighting could spend to the cap limits they would have been just fine this year.

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