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05-21-2008, 11:44 PM
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I can only assume you have only recently become a hockey fan. If not you might know a bit more about Trevor Linden. How about 375 goals, 492 assists and
867 points. Is that enough offence ? Careful what you post.
would have had even better numbers if his offense hadn't dropped off so badly after 96/97

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05-22-2008, 12:24 AM
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would have had even better numbers if his offense hadn't dropped off so badly after 96/97
His offense really started to dip after the knee surgeries. That took away a bit of his speed, and he wasn't able to make up the loss of time and space his speed created for him with creativity.

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I have a theory I'd like to share, but it won't be confirmed until Smith gets hired in Carolina as an assistant, a few months later AV gets let go, is offered the head coaching job in Carolina, and the same day, Smith gets released.
I'm slow...I don't get the reference.

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I'm slow...I don't get the reference.
Jeff Brown/Kirk McLean and the alleged affair.

A tidbit from the Sun:

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One of Kelly's main responsibilities under Vigneault was running the power play, which finished 18th last season at 17.1 per cent. In the game in which Vancouver was eliminated from the playoffs, a 2-1 loss to Edmonton, the Canucks' power play went for 1-for-8 despite spending nearly 18 minutes with the man advantage.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/n...e-d1919ca6cac3

So maybe Gillis wanted someone with a better track record to help out with the team's offense?

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05-22-2008, 12:34 AM
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I can't see this being entirely Gillis's doing.

Suppose he said: "Alain, I want to change things. Fire some of your assistant coaches."

Can you see AV replying with: "Yessir, right away, sir"? Not a chance. AV would show more loyalty to his guys than that.

Rather, I think they (MG and AV) were on the same page. It is more likely that Gillis said: "Who goes and who stays?"

At least that is the most plausible explanation, to me...

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Ok. TSN doesn't say anything as to what their responsibilities were with the Canucks.

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Ok. TSN doesn't say anything as to what their responsibilities were with the Canucks.
The Sun article I quoted mentioned that Kelly was in charge of the powerplay. I think Smith was the video guy, though I may be wrong.

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05-22-2008, 12:41 AM
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The Sun article I quoted mentioned that Kelly was in charge of the powerplay. I think Smith was the video guy, though I may be wrong.
Hmmmm. Ok I can see the justifications in those firings then. Thanks!

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The Sun article I quoted mentioned that Kelly was in charge of the powerplay. I think Smith was the video guy, though I may be wrong.
Good riddance, then? The PP was downright atrocious at times or maybe I'm misremembering.

The injuries on D didn't help matters and our lack of decent forwards.

So, was it Kelly putting putting Ritchie on the PP?

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Something had to give. Kind of glad that it is not AV.

I met Barry Smith on NYE at the Canucks-Flames game in Calgary. I told him that I was so happy with the job they were doing. The Nucks went into the tank soon after that.
damn, so we should fire you shouldnt we? lol
meh we should just blame you now for missing hte playoffs

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05-22-2008, 01:19 AM
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damn, so we should fire you shouldnt we? lol
meh we should just blame you now for missing hte playoffs
Yep, he's the reason the team got complacent.

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It's nice to see some changes, hopefully they bring in some offensive assistants.

Kelly was horrible, and Smith was pretty much useless as a video guy.

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It's nice to see some changes, hopefully they bring in some offensive assistants.

Kelly was horrible, and Smith was pretty much useless as a video guy.
I hope we bring someone who can fix our PP.

But I still think we should play to our strengths which is Luongo and our D.

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I hope we bring someone who can fix our PP.

But I still think we should play to our strengths which is Luongo and our D.
How about the Canucks transcend to a more balanced game rather than focusing on one strength of the team. The way Gillis has been preaching it seems like this will be an interesting off-season and could result in a more balanced team which is much better than being a one-dimensional team.

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I hope we bring someone who can fix our PP.

But I still think we should play to our strengths which is Luongo and our D.
I'm thinking that Scott Arniel may not be a bad idea to move up to the big club. I know he's finally a head coach in the AHL after spending all those years in Buffalo running their QB, but money talks, and he'd be a solid answer to the PP problems.

I disagree, I think you can teach any team the proper defensive system, I don't think it's all about the players, personally I'd be quite willing to make this team more offensive minded knowing that you have Luongo in goal, rather than building from the back end out.

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How about the Canucks transcend to a more balanced game rather than focusing on one strength of the team. The way Gillis has been preaching it seems like this will be an interesting off-season and could result in a more balanced team which is much better than being a one-dimensional team.
I myself wonder how the team would do as a run and gun kinda team with Luongo to stop any chances they give up due to playing that kind of style

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It's funny to me when people think that there will be "run and gun" hockey again.

No playoff team plays run and gun. It's not going to happen, no matter what happens with the coaching situation.

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It's funny to me when people think that there will be "run and gun" hockey again.

No playoff team plays run and gun. It's not going to happen, no matter what happens with the coaching situation.
Every team will probably try to tailor themselves after the Red Wings this year.
A puck possession type of team with seamless transition from Defence to Offense.

If they could pull if off, leading from start to finish during the regular season and then winning the cup... the last team that did that was the Rangers in 1994.

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Good. Mike Kelly was never good. back in 03 i think it was. He had a good year in the OHL then never got rehired, Wheaties hired him (WHL) he tried to play an OHL style game in the WHL, COMPLETE disaster of a year. he got fired and McCrimmon took over won 14 straight to make the playoffs. and hasn't replace Kelly since.

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It's funny to me when people think that there will be "run and gun" hockey again.

No playoff team plays run and gun. It's not going to happen, no matter what happens with the coaching situation.
Yeah... It would require a HUGE revamp of our team structure.
I just don't see us wanting to go in to a rebuild mode with Luongos contract situation.

Gillis main objective better be finnish what Dave started... Bring in the offensive pieces.
If he is thinking: "This defensive hockey stuff is boring.. I'll make us the Pens of 91-92!!"
Well.. you can say bybye to Luongo... He won't stick around for another rebuild.

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yeh cause he was very good offensive
Wow!..do you have ANY idea what Trevor Linden means to this franchise?

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Yeah... It would require a HUGE revamp of our team structure.
I just don't see us wanting to go in to a rebuild mode with Luongos contract situation.

Gillis main objective better be finnish what Dave started... Bring in the offensive pieces.
If he is thinking: "This defensive hockey stuff is boring.. I'll make us the Pens of 91-92!!"
Well.. you can say bybye to Luongo... He won't stick around for another rebuild.
Well, finding a coach that teaches a system that way would be the hardest part.

I can think of maybe Pat Quinn, Marc Crawford, and John Tortorella.

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