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05-22-2008, 12:41 PM
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I have some real concerns about Latendresse.

First, I actually don't think the issue is speed. I think the issue is acceleration. It seems that once he hits his top speed it isn't bad. But, it just takes him way too long to get there. And, imo, if he doesn't improve his acceleration, we are looking at his ceiling now

Second, work ethic. Last summer he was supposed to work on his skating with Gaston Gingras and didn't end up doing so. It concerns me that he does not have the drive to work on an obvious weakness in his game.

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05-22-2008, 12:48 PM
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Some would argue he had been rushed to the NHL a little too early and his fundamentals weren't up to par with NHL standards. What I do see is a big body with soft hands and great hockey sense without the skating tools necessary to be really effective offensive player.

Perhaps Tender will follow the development curve similar to that of A. Kost. in the AHL. It took him 2 seasons to acclimatize himself to the professional game and basically re-learn the defensive side of hockey. His third season he exploaded offensively and got called up at the end of the year.

Latendress is having to learn fundamentals, learn the defensive game and is being asked to produce offensively at a higher level of play than Ak46. That's a lot to ask for a very young player here.

In his third full season , I expect him to start producing a little more... he might even surprise a lot and secure himself a top 6 position and by his fourth year be one of the key contributers offensively.

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Lats is a typical powerforward. They don't break out or become superstars until later in their career. He's done well for not having a ton of ice time. He said he's working on his skating in the off-season so that should help him a ton.

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05-22-2008, 12:51 PM
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Second, work ethic. Last summer he was supposed to work on his skating with Gaston Gingras and didn't end up doing so. It concerns me that he does not have the drive to work on an obvious weakness in his game.
The team said he needed to work on two things: his weight and his skating. He worked on his weight last off-season. He'll likely focus on his skating this off-season.

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05-22-2008, 12:56 PM
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The team said he needed to work on two things: his weight and his skating. He worked on his weight last off-season. He'll likely focus on his skating this off-season.
I hope you are right because is he improves his skating, he can one heck of a power forward for this team for years to come.

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05-22-2008, 12:56 PM
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I have some real concerns about Latendresse.

First, I actually don't think the issue is speed. I think the issue is acceleration. It seems that once he hits his top speed it isn't bad. But, it just takes him way too long to get there. And, imo, if he doesn't improve his acceleration, we are looking at his ceiling now

Second, work ethic. Last summer he was supposed to work on his skating with Gaston Gingras and didn't end up doing so. It concerns me that he does not have the drive to work on an obvious weakness in his game.
Why do people keep bring up Latendresse's skating? It's not his game, has never been and will never be.

He DOES NOT NEED TO BE A GREAT SKATER to be a top power forward in the NHL. His hands and size/strength are what are and will make him a productive player. His skating is plenty good enough to get him by. If you figure it by ice time and scoring chances he might be the best finisher we have PERIOD. That includes Kovy Kostitsyn and even Ryder. He scored almost 20 goals playing 85-90% of his games with grinders and getting 10-12 minutes a game.

Every player in the NHL has weaknesses, instead of looking at the glass 25% empty, look at it as 75% full. It's like constantly harping on Koivu's size or Plekanek's physical game, don't bother. Just put those players with the right combination of linemates so they can succeed.

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05-22-2008, 12:58 PM
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he need to see more minutes... he still got the hands and skills to be a weapon around the net... but need some ice time and appropriate linemates.

this is how I see it...

AK-Plek-Kovy
Latendresse-Koivu-UFA
Higgins-chip or lapierre-SK (anyone could be in center)
Begin-chip or lapirre-Kosto

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05-22-2008, 01:14 PM
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True, but the opportunity to play that way usually happens on the PP. Watch for Lats to get more PP time next season, and improve his production as a result.
yeah I agree ....

he played between 10 and 14 min max per game... 16 goals isint bad... especially for a 3rd liner... that doesnt play on the pp...


he has improved a lot defensively this year ... i'm looking forward to next year..

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there is this , and there is skating lessons ...




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05-22-2008, 07:51 PM
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As i said previously , skating lessons and powerskating are 2 different things . You don't take " lessons " of powerskating but do it , as like you don't take bicycle lessons , when you are doing stationary bike . You can do powerskating at home with the machine to do it . You just slide from a side to the other , to devlop your muscle and the to get the righty motion . Skating lessons is completly different ; You learn the start position , the balance of your body , how high you need to be on your legs , the distance betwen your skates from your left to your right motion etc...

2-3 years ago , Ribeiro just took 3 lessons of skating , and it was enough for him to adjust his technic . i remenber at that time that a lot of fans were furious againts him because he just took 3 lessons ; they were again confonding powerskating ( that you need to do often ) with skating lessons .

Latendresse didn't take skating lessons last summer . I know that he made powerskating , but maybe it was during the season , not during the summertime


what the heck are you talking about, i took powerskating lessons last year and there all about sharp turns, acceleration and learning how to bend your knees properly in order to maximise every leg movement you make, Latendresse didn't go on the ice last summer, that part please get it threw that thick skull of yours, he had an off-ice exercise plan with Livingston, that's it.

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05-22-2008, 08:14 PM
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Here's something I posted on Hockey BBS a few days ago....

Lats numbers are impressive for a 20 year old former 2nd rounder. He's young, he has improved his defensive play and he seems to have a good attitude overall. However, here are two concerns I have about Lats that go beyond the numbers....

1) He's slow...very slow. Is there a place in the New NHL for such a slow skater to be an impact player? Perhaps. Jason Allison put up some decent point totals in his lone season with the Leafs post-lockout but the Leafs cut him loose because his lack of foot speed made him a liability in the New NHL. No other team picked him up.

2) I don't think he's self-driven. Lats seems to play his best hockey after a benching or a lineup shuffle. He then goes into hibernation where he has long scoring slumps, doesn't throw his weight around, and doesn't drive to the net. Lats is at his best when he's hitting and going to the net. One thing I know from being around the game of hockey for many decades is that you can't coach or instill warrior mentality into a person....either they have it or the don't. You might be able to push the right buttons and motivate someone to play as a warrior in spurts but it's very frustrating for a coach to wonder on Gameday which Latendresse will show up. Milan Lucic, another 2nd Rounder, comes to the rink with that warrior mentality every game. His coach doesn't have to push any buttons to motivate him.

So speed and drive are my concerns. Now to the numbers...

The regular season numbers are half-decent but Lats didn't produce in the playoffs (1 assist and -5 in 8 games) and found himself in the stands for 4 consecutive games. Lats also frustrated Brent Sutter at the WJC and ended up rotting on the bench as Sutter lost faith in him. The NHL playoffs and the WJC are the two biggest stages Lats has played in and he didn't produce. Lucic was a force in the playoffs as a 19 year old and was fantastic for Canada in last summer's Super Series...a true gamer. Lucic's coaches don't have to worry on gameday about which Lucic is going to show up.

The good thing for Lats is he is young and has showed steady improvement in his overall game (especially defensively). He has great poise with the puck for a kid (as was shown on that cross-bar he hit in Game 5 versus Philly), soft hands, and he's stronger than an ox. He can work on his skating (although that stride sure ain't pretty) and most young players are inconsistent.

Ryder scored 30 goals in back to back seasons and many Habs fans still questioned his value to the team because of his flaws, and thought we'd be better off without him. Will Latendresse's positive attributes (size, poise, hands) ever be able to compensate enough for his stinging flaws that hurt a team (speed, consistent drive)? Will he ever be good enough to be a strong asset on a serious contending team? Does his style fit in with the speedy core of youth and character that Gainey and Timmins have been assembling? Time will tell and time is something that this kid has on his side.
Thanks for your analysis. I'd like to see Lats on the 3rd line, with Chipchura and Higgins...

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05-22-2008, 09:46 PM
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Thanks for your analysis. I'd like to see Lats on the 3rd line, with Chipchura and Higgins...
I don't think that is a good idea. I prefer having Lats play with Saku (the only place he is effective), and if by some act of god we manage to sign a legitimate top 6 forward, we can move S.Kost. onto the 3rd line with Chipchura and Higgins (what a monster 3rd line). Many have already suggested this idea before me, and I think it's a great one!

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05-22-2008, 11:09 PM
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I would like to read something new on the subject but no recent poster has said anything that hasn't been said before. Is it time to close the thread until we see Lats in training camp?

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05-27-2008, 01:43 PM
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No Power staking for Lats this summer.......his g-f is expecting soon I think.....

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I think Carbo should make Latendresse watch game footage of Holmstrom everyday for the entire off season. That way next year he can score at least 15 goals by just parking his big ass in front and banging in rebounds. He has good hands and a huge frame so he could be really effective in front of the net.

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I think Carbo should make Latendresse watch game footage of Holmstrom everyday for the entire off season. That way next year he can score at least 15 goals by just parking his big ass in front and banging in rebounds. He has good hands and a huge frame so he could be really effective in front of the net.

Latendresse should make Carbo watch film of backcock. Holmstrom doesn't score his 29/30 goals a year(20 this year in 59 games) playing with Draper and Maltby and getting no PP time. I'm sure Lats could match those stats given that icetime and those linemates.

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Latendresse should make Carbo watch film of backcock. Holmstrom doesn't score his 29/30 goals a year(20 this year in 59 games) playing with Draper and Maltby and getting no PP time. I'm sure Lats could match those stats given that icetime and those linemates.
Is that a porno?

You have a point about Holmstrom TOI and PP mins. However I think that has to do with Holmstroms willingness to go to the net. If Latendresse made more of an effort to go to the net and battle it out his TOI and PP mins would increase.

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These comparisons with Holmstrom seem to be missing something. Holmstrom doesn't just park his bulk on the lip of the crease. He's more active than that. He fights for the puck and does a pretty good job at it. I'd say that Latendresse is good at holding on to the puck but less good at aggressively taking it away.

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Lats by numbers, taken on Canadiens.com


They don't come much bigger or younger than Guillaume Latendresse. Here’s a numerical look back at the season that was for the power forward in the making.

16-Goals scored by Latendresse in each of his first two NHL seasons, bringing his career total to 32 before celebrating his 21st birthday.

4-Players in Canadiens history to have scored more goals than Latendresse before turning 21, including Hall of Famers Henri Richard (37) and Bernard Geoffrion (38), as well as Stephane Richer (41) and Mario Tremblay (50).

2-Players in Habs history to have played more regular season games before age 21 than Latendresse (153), including Mario Tremblay (208) and Petr Svoboda (216).


134-Hits thrown by Latendresse during the 2007-08 regular season, the most of any Canadiens forward.

3-Players selected before Latendresse at the 2005 NHL Entry Draft to have amassed more career points than the Habs winger, including top pick Sidney Crosby (293), 44th pick Paul Stastny (149), and 11th overall pick Anze Kopitar (138).

85-Percentage of Latendresse’s regular season point total that came at even strength (27), the highest among all Canadiens players who notched 20 or more points in 2007-08.

3-Habs players to have scored more 5-on-5 goals in 2007-08 than Latendresse’s 14 goals, including Alex Kovalev (18), Tomas Plekanec (15) and Christopher Higgins (15).

Manny Almela is a writer for canadiens.com

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Lats is a typical powerforward. They don't break out or become superstars until later in their career. He's done well for not having a ton of ice time. He said he's working on his skating in the off-season so that should help him a ton.

Totally agree.

There is no doubt that Gui has all the tools, he needs time to put them altogether & become more consistant.


That said, I really, really wish they sent him to Hamilton this past season for at least three quarters of the season. I feel Donnie Lever would have had an awesome effect on this kid. He could have palyed 25 mins a game, playing all key situations, the PP, the PK & the top line. That IMO would have given Gui a great boost to his career.


I know they were unable to that with him as 19yr old, but this past season was totally different. It was infact, the only window of opportunity to do so with this kid. This year, he needs to pass thru waivers, so I highly doubt Gainey & TT would even venture down that avenue.

Also some had argued that it would have killed any confidence the kid had, but if that were the case, then I believe it would have shown the type of character the kid had. They had no trouble sending down Chipper, Lapper & Halak this season .

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