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Sorry Im just opposed to trading prospects and picks for 39 yearold players.
Also I dont like the idea of having one pick in the 1st round and then having to wait until the 4th round to pick again in a deep draft.
GMs whose jobs depend on winning probably don't have near the problem with trading non-blue chip prospects and picks for a legitimate top-three defenseman that will make his team better that you do.
Schneider was absolutely solid last season, and showed absolutely no signs of slowing down. I'd love to have him back on the Ducks, but the need isn't there if S. Nieds is back. All the Hawks would be trading for is one year, so age isn't an issue. He'd be an extremely low-risk addition for the Hawks. I just don't know about the prospects offered up, so I won't pretend to know if the proposal is fair to both sides or now.
Keep in mind also, there is tremendous momentum building for the Hawks next season. A low-risk, impact aquisition such as this one to help solidify their blue line next season shouldn't be out of the question.
The idea that Talon would trade for Schneider is insane, That would be something he would laugh at.
Let me ask you this how many 39 yearold players has Talon traded for? If you notice Talon has a trend going.....It's aquire younger players.
Talon is going after 1)Campbell, 2)Redden and worse comes to worse 3)Liles. He will also be trying to sign Hossa. Talons already pandering to Rocky Wirtz to get the clear to thow cap max at bost Hossa and Campbell. The Hawks are way under cap right now as it is, Khabby and Havlat are in contract years and the majority of the Hawks contracts are RFA contracts or low salary contracts (500k-2mill).
The Hawks could afford to do better then Schneider, besides why give up a couple of young players and a 3rd round pick for a 39 yearold guy thats running out of gas when you can get a younger guy for free on the market? not to mention the Hawks dont have a 2nd round pick and this is a deep draft, that means the Hawks would pick in the 1st and 4th rounds.
You will be grossly disappointed if you think Redden or Liles are anywhere as good as Schneider...wow they are younger, so what? Redden is horrible.
Is Campbell really worth a 5 year 6 mil per deal? Keep in mind all the young talent the hawks will have to eventually sign. Schneider is a low risk option with good reward potential. Injuries are the only worry but in terms of his quality of play? he's as good as many younger players, probably better than most available.
You will be grossly disappointed if you think Redden or Liles are anywhere as good as Schneider...wow they are younger, so what? Redden is horrible.
Is Campbell really worth a 5 year 6 mil per deal? Keep in mind all the young talent the hawks will have to eventually sign. Schneider is a low risk option with good reward potential. Injuries are the only worry but in terms of his quality of play? he's as good as many younger players, probably better than most available.
I still wouldnt do it, It's not like Schneider is the "game breaker" who's going to come in and push the Hawks into the playoffs.
The Hawks have enough wasted money just sitting on the bench.
I still wouldnt do it, It's not like Schneider is the "game breaker" who's going to come in and push the Hawks into the playoffs.
The Hawks have enough wasted money just sitting on the bench.
Game-breaker? Thats a fun term and all, but what defensemen do you consider "game-breakers"? Not sure who you're comparing him to.
He absolutely could have a large effect on getting the Hawks into the playoffs. "Wasted money"?? I haven't read enough of your posts to really judge, but this is sounding like typical HFBoards ageism. Insisting a player is washed up and without value based solely on the birth certificate, while ignoring likely contribution and contract length.
Again, the value of the trade is debatable, but there is no doubt that Schneider is a decent gamble for any team looking to add some mobility and offense from the blue line next season.
Jason Williams (missed 39 games)
Martin Havlat (missed 47 games)
Wiz (missed 14 games)
Sopel (missed 24 games)
Perreault (missed 29 games)
Zyuzin (missed 50 games)
Samsonov (He was worthless and had to be benched need i say more?)
Kevyn Adams (missed 55 games)
Khabibulin (missed 15 starts, played 50 games, pojected 65 starts)
Everyone except for wiz and havlat are 30 or older.
Jason Williams (missed 39 games)
Martin Havlat (missed 47 games)
Wiz (missed 14 games)
Sopel (missed 24 games)
Perreault (missed 29 games)
Zyuzin (missed 50 games)
Samsonov (He was worthless and had to be benched need i say more?)
Kevyn Adams (missed 55 games)
Khabibulin (missed 15 starts, played 50 games, pojected 65 starts)
Everyone except for wiz and havlat are 30 or older.
Everyone of those except Samsonov were injuries! They dont sit on the Bench!
So can you tell me how to keep a team healthy and non-injured? I dont feel it is possible.
Why did you not include Toews on that list? He missed a bunch didn't he.
Game-breaker? Thats a fun term and all, but what defensemen do you consider "game-breakers"? Not sure who you're comparing him to.
He absolutely could have a large effect on getting the Hawks into the playoffs. "Wasted money"?? I haven't read enough of your posts to really judge, but this is sounding like typical HFBoards ageism. Insisting a player is washed up and without value based solely on the birth certificate, while ignoring likely contribution and contract length.
Again, the value of the trade is debatable, but there is no doubt that Schneider is a decent gamble for any team looking to add some mobility and offense from the blue line next season.
He doesnt add much, he pitches in he doesnt add. Doesnt even matter because Schneider wouldnt even fit the Hawks style anyways.
The Hawks are a young hardworking fast team.
The Hawks would be more suited bringing in Bryan Berard for 1/7th the price tag and 8 years younger.
Bringing in Schneider in would be as much as a mistake as it was the Hawks bringing in Samsonov.
Everyone thought Samsonov was a great idea, I hated it from the very begining.
He was ineffective in the playoffs and while better defensively than he was known for in the past in the Anaheim system, he still had his worst offensive season in the last six years. He can no longer play a full season even when healthy and isn't particularly known for leadership abilities. IMO inadequacies in his game were covered up by playing for powerhouses in Detroit and Anaheim - when Anaheim fell apart in the playoffs he was nowhere to be found.
He simply isn't really worth losing assets or large chunks of cap space to acquire. Makes much more sense as a deadline acquisition for a contending team.
He was ineffective in the playoffs and while better defensively than he was known for in the past in the Anaheim system, he still had his worst offensive season in the last six years. He can no longer play a full season even when healthy and isn't particularly known for leadership abilities.
He simply isn't really worth losing assets or large chunks of cap space to acquire. Makes much more sense as a deadline acquisition for a contending team.
Thank you and thats exactlly what I think.
The Hawks could get the same guy and their needs met in Bryan Berard for 750-1M and if it doesnt work out with Berard then you can just waive him. I dont think you can waive Schneider and his 5.5 contract.
He doesnt add much, he pitches in he doesnt add. Doesnt even matter because Schneider wouldnt even fit the Hawks style anyways.
Our man Crazy Ike at least backed up some of his assertions with some concrete observations. One's I don't really agree with, but I can respect his view point. Arguing over semantics doesn't really interest me. Statements like "he doesn't fit the Hawks' style" without suggesting what it is about either party that doesn't fit is pretty flimsy.
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The Hawks are a young hardworking fast team.
The acquisition of the hardworking, fast Schneider won't change that.
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The Hawks would be more suited bringing in Bryan Berard for 1/7th the price tag and 8 years younger.
Possibly. I haven't seen enough of Berard in recent years to judge him. If he's close to as good as Schneider and available for 1/7th the price, the I would bet there will be quite a few bidders for him.
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Bringing in Schneider in would be as much as a mistake as it was the Hawks bringing in Samsonov.
I don't see any similarity between Samsonov and Schneider.
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Back in the day the players were made out of Iron and today they are made out of glass.
Nonsense. Your sample size is a bit skewed.
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Thats why I have almost no interest in bringing in players from outside sources.
It's inevitable at some point.
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He was ineffective in the playoffs and while better defensively than he was known for in the past in the Anaheim system, he still had his worst offensive season in the last six years. He can no longer play a full season even when healthy and isn't particularly known for leadership abilities. IMO inadequacies in his game were covered up by playing for powerhouses in Detroit and Anaheim - when Anaheim fell apart in the playoffs he was nowhere to be found.
He simply isn't really worth losing assets or large chunks of cap space to acquire. Makes much more sense as a deadline acquisition for a contending team.
I don't think he was any more ineffective in the playoffs than the rest of the Ducks' team. For the vast majority of the season I'd rank him as at least the Ducks' second best defenseman, and often the team's best. He got caught forcing it in the playoffs a few times, but he certainly wasn't alone with that.
The Ducks' forwards were absolutely limp offensively before Selanne joined up, so that would explain the drop off in assists. His goal numbers were pretty consistent with his career average. From watching him play night-in, night-out, he definitely hasn't lost a step offensively.
You make fair points, but I think he was much better this season than you give him credit for. I didn't see anything in his game this season that suggests that he's going to fall apart next season.
He was ineffective in the playoffs and while better defensively than he was known for in the past in the Anaheim system, he still had his worst offensive season in the last six years. He can no longer play a full season even when healthy and isn't particularly known for leadership abilities. IMO inadequacies in his game were covered up by playing for powerhouses in Detroit and Anaheim - when Anaheim fell apart in the playoffs he was nowhere to be found.
He simply isn't really worth losing assets or large chunks of cap space to acquire. Makes much more sense as a deadline acquisition for a contending team.
The entire ducks team sucked in the playoffs, after Niedermayer returned he was basically relegated to the 2nd PP unit which was devoid of talent, and despite that his PPG was still good.
also I don't know how you can say he isn't known for any leadership qualities when he clearly has an extremely good attitude.
i dont think its a bad thing,and didnt we have berard a few years ago,but i like the hawks,the guys like habby,havlat and the guys milking high old contracts are over this year,they will play well or die next contract,to pay anyone big money now is crazy
For the Hawks fans who don't like this proposal...
You'd be trading a 7th d-man/AHLer, a mid level prospect and a 3rd rounder for a very underrated top pairing d-man on a fair contract (wait until you see what its going to take to sign a good d-man after July 1st). I don't think people understand how good Schneider is. I'll be happy as a Ducks fan to have Schneider stay in Anaheim as long as Niedermayer is retiring. Age isn't an issue. He plays like a 29 year old not a 39 yr old.
If the Hawks make the playoffs then they have a veteran top pairing d-man to help them on their playoff run. If not they can trade him at the deadline to a contender for a 2nd round pick and midlevel prospect.
The Hawks will not be bringing in players for 1yr.Tallon already stated they won't be making short term moves.Any one they acquire,will be around for 3-5 yrs.Schneider's too old for a long-term deal so I think you can safely count him out.
